No surprise some of his best moments have come with Lingard on the pitch, he does the gritty stuff to make Ronaldo have better chances.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) look forward to a new life under Ruben Amorim. What system will we be playing? What players will impress? and how will it all go? We also say goodbye to Ruud Van Nistelrooy and review United's 3-0 win at home against Leicester City.
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No surprise some of his best moments have come with Lingard on the pitch, he does the gritty stuff to make Ronaldo have better chances.
Let's be honest with ourselves, that 2008 team shits all over this one bar the goalkeeper. Ronaldo was great but there is only so much one player can do.
Messi showed at Barcelona last season that despite his ridiculous stats, he couldn't do it alone. There are so many more issues to solve before Ronaldo
Yeah, I tried to reason when he first signed, but the cult here was just incredible. If I would've said it in real life they would've thrown stuff at me, didn't listen to what I said, and just screamed "RONALDOOOO". I still stand by that I don't think we will be better with him in the team, and so far, you can't say I'm wrong. We just look so unbalanced and he doesn't contribute at all to any defensive work, we were already bad at pressing, and our attackers don't work hard enough, but now it's worse than ever.
No one disagrees with this I guess. We have bigger problems. Ole is a much bigger problem. However, Ronaldo's immobility is also a big problem and with the formation and tactical setup we're using the team will struggle to play with him. Impossible to have a lone striker who's so immobile and can't run in PL.
We won't agree on this one I'm afraid.
Looked every bit the tactical headache many thought he might be when he came on today.
His last club realized they can't play his wages.
There is obviously an adjustment period needed and he is going through it just like any other player at a new club. Ronaldo was like that before he arrived, I guess fans delude themselves into thinking players are what they're not (anymore).
If one truly watched Ronaldo extensively in the past couple of years then what's happening now shouldn't be a surprise
Like what exactly?
We look unbalanced with him and without him.
We were good when Bruno Fernandes was our main man of the team.
Ronaldo comes in and he becomes the main man. We start crossing. We have people blaming the crosses. The striker isn't moving either.
He is going to score scrappy tap in goals in and around the goal keeper.
Finishes at an angle etc has gone. The young Ronaldo would have got Sancho assist on target atleast today but it just drifted wider and wider.
He is just such a big name so he will continue having to be used and the manager be it right or wrong will be sacked for not getting the best out of a 36 year old player.
Goals from Bruno, Greenwood and Rashford once he is back will be diluted along as we are whipping in crosses for Ronaldo to poach.
I think many on here agreed with that. If he was going to PSG he wouldn’t have been signed. Unfortunately the club couldn’t let him join City. Now we’ve got a huge issue trying to fit him into the side.
Fair point but I think we look slightly worse. A big problem because he's obviously our best goalscorer and biggest matchwinner. IMO we created an unnecessary problem by signing him.
It's not Ronaldo who's going to adjust. He's 36. He's not going to become a dribbler or a runner again. We're the one who have to adjust. I knew that the dynamics of the team will change with him in when we signed him but all I saw is our manager shoehorned him into the main lineup without having a clue how he's different from Cavani, Rashford or Greenwood. It makes this signing screams panic buy because City were in for him, because what I'm seeing is our manager didn't plan that much for Ronaldo's introduction into the team.
Imagine looking at Cristiano Ronaldo’s career as a player, and Ole Gunnar Solskjær’s career as a manager, and thinking Ronaldo’s the problem.
This place is actually deranged.
This place is actually deranged.
Our lack of balance is even more pronounced with him in the team. His more static positioning upfront and lack of holdup play exposes our midfield issues that much more. Never mind his lack of workrate defensively.
I don't think we look worse. We look similar as last year. He's not the problem. Problem is our non existent structure.
Of course Man Utd needs to adjust because who was really established up front ? What kinda football was played before him ?Cavani who is a good player but cannot play all the matches himself. Our football has issues with or without him
I still think Ronaldo brings much more solutions than problems. It's up to the managers to find a way to get the best out of him or bench him if he cannot
Goal return and xG - exceptional.
General performances- very average.
Nothing that anyone who watched Juventus week in week out last season would be surprised with.
He's obviously not the same player that left the premier league over a decade ago and that's been reflected in first 6 games.
Perhaps Rashford returning soon and pressing and making runs from left will help him a bit more.
General performances- very average.
Nothing that anyone who watched Juventus week in week out last season would be surprised with.
He's obviously not the same player that left the premier league over a decade ago and that's been reflected in first 6 games.
Perhaps Rashford returning soon and pressing and making runs from left will help him a bit more.
So did it cost us the match today?
We created a couple of good chances with him in 30 mins.
We conceded a shite goal but don't let it cloud your thinking. He has his issues just like every players but those did not cost us today.
Exactly. Although I understand not everyone has the time, will, or likes the guy enough to follow him each game, if you did and do watch him every week, you knew what to expect. Not only that, but Juve's problems were quite clear and it's very important Manchester United thinks clear on how to maximise him and avoid the same mistakes Juve did.
I'm still firmly of the opinion he's wasted as a number 9. Been saying it for years. Zidane tried it for a while, before going back to the drawing board and tweaking his position to not be a static centre forward. I think the front 3 should be more fluid, and apparently since you guys discuss a lot about Greenwood becoming a great goalscorer or learning how to play as a 9, with great numbers each season, a more fluid attacking system would allow Greenwood to have more central positions throughout the game to finish off the attacking plays.
I'd do, from left to right, or at least try, Ronaldo - Cavani - Greenwood, or Sancho - Ronaldo - Greenwood with a free reigns for all 3 to drift and change it up throughout the game. You know. Like in 2007-2009.
Edit: And was you said, things take time as well and they have only played together for a month.
It really isn't that black and white
I think we look more vulnerable in defense and against counterattacks, but that's just my feeling. However, I agree that our structure is the biggest problem.
Today v Everton. Why bring him on at 55 mins unless Cavani was carrying a knock ? Sancho yes , but no Ronny, I'm his biggest fan along with others, but Everton had a easier ride from then on, Cavini runs more moves the defenders more. That move today I would have put Jesse on as well instead of Pogba. Unless ole works out who's the best to move players around for him to get spaces, in trouble. And Oles in the shit not Ronny, he's proven more what he can do than the manager.
Lingard could work well with him but still what would be his position?
How would a no 9 would make the whole team look vulnerable in defense and against counterattacks.
I mean seriously. We conceded stupid counter/all types of goals all the time with Cavani in the team as well.
He'd do fine if we actually created chances.
Signing Ronaldo no doubt would benefit the club in short term basic no brainer, which team doesn't want to have him?
But we have to consider the pros and cons for the future, Ole's dressing room, wages structure, we just can't build a team with a 34 and 36 years old strikers up front.
I know everyone love him, no one won't welcome him back to the club, but consider the current coach, formation, tactics if we change formation, younger players go because of him. I don't think we should make this one step forward 2 steps back signing.
If you let me choose between Rashford or Ronaldo in the number 9 position from now to next 2-3 seasons, Rashford anytime, not because he is better, but he is the one for the future.
P/s : I'm ok he to be a supersub come out at 75 mins to score goals.
But we have to consider the pros and cons for the future, Ole's dressing room, wages structure, we just can't build a team with a 34 and 36 years old strikers up front.
I know everyone love him, no one won't welcome him back to the club, but consider the current coach, formation, tactics if we change formation, younger players go because of him. I don't think we should make this one step forward 2 steps back signing.
If you let me choose between Rashford or Ronaldo in the number 9 position from now to next 2-3 seasons, Rashford anytime, not because he is better, but he is the one for the future.
P/s : I'm ok he to be a supersub come out at 75 mins to score goals.
Don't disagree with any of that.
The defensive shape starts with the striker. But as I said, it was just a feeling that we are more vulnerable to counterattacks this season. Although I don't think THAT is Ronaldo's fault obviously.
We still concede stupid goals just as last year. We'll see. If hopefully another manager comes in what will he do.
As much as Cavani presses, our team play does NOT play based on pressing from front. If it does, yes. But, we don't.
Why don't we blame on the 2 wide forwards too. Do you see them pressing as much as Cavani?
And, their lack of efforts have more impact on the team being more vulnerable for the defense than no 9. In fact, if no 9 presses too hard and it makes him out of positions, the attack suffers.
I’m not blaming him for today. Just acknowledging issues that are apparent with him in the team. Lukaku gets stick for offering little to nowt unless he’s on the scoresheet and I think that’s a fair criticism of a 36 year old Ronaldo.
It is. If you can’t work Ronaldo into your system then you aren’t good enough to manage at the level we’re trying to reach.
Pep wanted him, by the way. Think he had no plan for how to use him?
Lakaku gets/got stick because people like to put blames on every player all the times just like some are doing on Ronaldo, Bruno etc despite they are doing their jobs decently but for not fixing other positions issues that are out of their control.
Can't use it as a measurement.
Just doesn't fit our team at all. With our crap midfield the team needs legs up front to press the opposition so that the midfield doesn't get exposed. Cavani presses, Ronaldo doesn't. Scoring goals wasn't a problem last season, it was the defence. The defence starts from the front and Ronaldo doesn't defend at all. It's all well and good celebrating his last minute goal in the week but let's not forget how bad his and the teams performance was in that game and the fact that we should have been 1-3 down at that stage.
Ronaldo is a massive problem that will cost Ole's job because the teams performances and therefore results will suffer with him in the team.
Ronaldo is a massive problem that will cost Ole's job because the teams performances and therefore results will suffer with him in the team.
He wasn't the same player he was with us even at Madrid. He changed his game a long time ago. He's won us 9 points already basically on his own. I fail to see how he is at fault for any of our problems. Put Lewandowski in our team and you'll be whining about his inept performances, as well. We don't work as a team, we have absolutely no cohesion up front and our passing game is just dreadful to watch. Would you argue any of our players have performed better than him? Bruno, Pogba, Shaw, etc. When the majority of your players are playing badly, well, safe to say the problem isn't in them.
I've been supportive of Ole and still am even if I'm losing faith but if you bring in a player of the calibre of Ronaldo and can't even get a quarter of his potential out of him then there's something wrong with the system. He's still scored goals despite few opportunities. Feed the GOAT and he will score.
Yes you can. I rarely ever (more like never) give Bruno stick because he offers plenty even on his off days. Ronaldo however does not unless he’s scoring goals. Compare his overall performances to RvP for example. It is night and day.
But of course his fanbois won’t allow him to be critcized and the commentators / pundits will make everything about him all the time. Which is getting on my fecking nerves already.
We all are fanbois of all of our players and club. We watch the games just for that. If you can't stand that people are talking big about our own players, well do you even support us?
How many goals and points Ronaldo contributed so far? Off days and not contribution etc.
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