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Just like every single player from those stories.He's a disaster for the dressing room at this stage of his career, all the stories coming to indicate the same.
Just like every single player from those stories.He's a disaster for the dressing room at this stage of his career, all the stories coming to indicate the same.
Just like every single player from those stories.
If we are to believe those stories. That was the point. And yes, there is someone like Cavani too.Well, this is the Ronaldo thread and not everyone refuses to be benched and feign injuries and leave the country after doing so.
He's a disaster for the dressing room at this stage of his career, all the stories coming to indicate the same.
Well, this is the Ronaldo thread and not everyone refuses to be benched and feign injuries and leave the country after doing so.
I think it's a bigger problem players feigning injuries in order not to be called to play. Anyway Ronaldo can be high maintance and needs a strong character to manage him, but so does a lot of the top players. So regardless of Ronaldo, or not, a new manager needs to be able to handle all this egos. Then like I said he's just super competitive and demanding but it isn't the worst trait if he and the team can channel that into better performances.
Yeah and how can you 100% say the team got worse because of him? Nonsense. “The team got worse because they signed a guy who they literally couldn’t win without” Jesus man listen to yourself.Ronaldo is one of the few players in the history of football you could say was actually bigger than the club (at least if you count social media followers) and with that brings a circus and other outside factors, when you add in his incredible ego, it’s not conducive to a cohesive team atmosphere. Ronaldo has scored but the team has got much, much worse since he joined and stories of the team spirit being toxic have come out on a weekly basis since he arrived.
United were not able to win a single game in the 2021/22 season without Ronaldo
United haven't won a single game without Cristiano Ronaldo in 2021-22
https://tribuna.com/en/news/manutd-...ronaldo-continues-with-crystal-palace-defeat/
That makes no senseDon’t know why the media keeps leaving out the 2 games we won before he arrived.
That makes no sense
He wasn't a United player though‘United haven’t won a Premier League game without Ronaldo in 21/22’, beat Leeds and Wolves in 21/22 without Ronaldo.
He wasn't a United player though
The two games obviously aren't taken into consideration on purpose mate.
Stop being pedanticBut that's the point, the headline is factually wrong. It should be 'United haven't won a Premier League game without Ronaldo since he arrived'. 'Since he arrived' is too important for context to leave out of the headline.
Stop being pedantic
When was the last time any United player give performances like he did vs spurs, Norwich, Atalanta etc
I can only see 2 possible but unlikely scenario of him leaving this summer:I was sure that he’ll be gone, but i just don’t see Bayern being able to afford his wages, it’s not the type of deal they do.
I think he’ll want to leave after a better season too. As for ETH, of course he wants him to stay. What manager in their right mind gets rid of a 20+ goals a year player? Don’t be fooled by the caf’s “experts”.
It could be Sancho or Varane too, or losing James, or whatever fit your agenda.Ronaldo is one of the few players in the history of football you could say was actually bigger than the club (at least if you count social media followers) and with that brings a circus and other outside factors, when you add in his incredible ego, it’s not conducive to a cohesive team atmosphere. Ronaldo has scored but the team has got much, much worse since he joined and stories of the team spirit being toxic have come out on a weekly basis since he arrived.
Scored against Spurs and Arsenal, plus got us through the champions league group stageSince he arrived,
United with Ronaldo against Villa, Leicester, Palace, Liverpool & City: 1 win - 4 losses
scored:3 conceded:12 -- Ronaldo number of goals: 0
United without Ronaldo against the same teams: 2 draws - 3 losses
scored:4 conceded:12
more or less the same..
It could be Sancho or Varane too, or losing James, or whatever fit your agenda.
Bottom line is, he has been our best player this season. So, blame him all you want if you see anything fit.
Never heard from any trustworthy sources saying Ronaldo is causing issues in dressing room which makes whole team playing worst. It’s purely speculative/imaginative. Besides, our dressing room has been reported toxic several times long before Ronaldo arrived, across several managers.Yet to see a report where Sancho or Varane caused any problems to the dressing room, whereas there are multiple reports this week of Ronaldo causing issues.
You think a team like Man Utd only practice how to play one way in training? Not accounting for the fact that they usually have games where there are two teams and Ronaldo can only be on the one side? And you’re really saying that the whole team who have been playing different combinations for years unlearned everything they know in less than a year so when Ronaldo doesn’t play, he’s still responsible for them being utterly clueless on the pitch?Ronaldo ultimately plays ST differently to Cavani & Martial.
Its obvious who the better striker is (Ronaldo) - but anyone who has followed Cavani or Martial know that they are support strikers that are able to bring others in to play through hold up play and passing rather than being traditional tap in strikers.
Last season our main attacking threat was for our wider players Rashford and Greewood to score with cavani/martial linking up play or scoring aswell. The main passes came from Bruno to support a whole wide attacking 3.
This season our main attacking threat turned centrally to Ronaldo. Everyone created for Ronaldo including our wider players. Sancho is an example. Rashford turned to RW that had to cross and create for Ronaldo. Greenwood messed up. Even recently Bruno is being played out wide to create for a central striker.
This season we switched how we play from having a wide attack that tried to get in behind off Bruno's creativity to Bruno,Sancho, Rashford and others trying to create for our main central striker in Ronaldo.
He is not a problem due to his productivity, but what he did was change how the team play through the course of a season.
People will probably say - but look how we played without Ronaldo, when cavani and bruno were playing as our ST and False 9. It just doesnt work for me, you dont spend a whole season practicsing team tactics towards getting the best out of a centralised striker like Ronaldo, only for you to drop him and expect False 9's in an unbalanced uncohesive team to play like Messi.
This is why he turned in to a problem for me, albeit a productive one. He changed the way we as a team played from Last Season to this season ultimately because our main attacking tactic changed with his arrival.
You think a team like Man Utd only practice how to play one way in training? Not accounting for the fact that they usually have games where there are two teams and Ronaldo can only be on the one side? And you’re really saying that the whole team who have been playing different combinations for years unlearned everything they know in less than a year so when Ronaldo doesn’t play, he’s still responsible for them being utterly clueless on the pitch?
The bolded part is the biggest insanity about the whole thing, Ronaldo isn't even at his best as a central striker. Certainly not as a lone striker anyway. He's played at the top level for 20 years and this was the first season of his career he'd played as a lone striker for any length of time. Rangnick even said a couple of weeks ago that Ronaldo isn't a striker or doesn't see himself as one. So if you're trying to say we changed the way we were playing to suit Ronaldo, it's just not true because we didn't directly change for that reason, we expected him to seamlessly fit into how we were previously trying to play and then obviously adapted somewhat. The ironic thing is that some of Ronaldo's best football came when he did drop deep into the false 9 (or back out towards the left, which still to this day is his best position) area and looked to work the ball into the box, rather than just goal-hang essentially which seemed to be the instruction he was getting at times.Ronaldo ultimately plays ST differently to Cavani & Martial.
Its obvious who the better striker is (Ronaldo) - but anyone who has followed Cavani or Martial know that they are support strikers that are able to bring others in to play through hold up play and passing rather than being traditional tap in strikers.
Last season our main attacking threat was for our wider players Rashford and Greewood to score with cavani/martial linking up play or scoring aswell. The main passes came from Bruno to support a whole wide attacking 3.
This season our main attacking threat turned centrally to Ronaldo. Everyone created for Ronaldo including our wider players. Sancho is an example. Rashford turned to RW that had to cross and create for Ronaldo. Greenwood messed up. Even recently Bruno is being played out wide to create for a central striker.
This season we switched how we play from having a wide attack that tried to get in behind off Bruno's creativity to Bruno,Sancho, Rashford and others trying to create for our main central striker in Ronaldo.
He is not a problem due to his productivity, but what he did was change how the team play through the course of a season.
People will probably say - but look how we played without Ronaldo, when cavani and bruno were playing as our ST and False 9. It just doesnt work for me, you dont spend a whole season practicsing team tactics towards getting the best out of a centralised striker like Ronaldo, only for you to drop him and expect False 9's in an unbalanced uncohesive team to play like Messi.
This is why he turned in to a problem for me, albeit a productive one. He changed the way we as a team played from Last Season to this season ultimately because our main attacking tactic changed with his arrival.
Ultimately, it was not possible to legislate for Cavani deciding he couldn't be arsed all season, Greenwood doing what he did and the club still allowing Martial to leave. With those three players out of the picture, coupled with the astonishing drop off in Rashford's form over the past 18 months, our style and play became very predictable, particularly with a manager who didn't appear to want to take risks in attacking areas. Therefore Ronaldo pretty much had to play as the #9 as there weren't other options, had Cavani actually wanted to play for us I think we'd have seen a lot of differences but it's impossible to speculate on at this point.
The bolded part is the biggest insanity about the whole thing, Ronaldo isn't even at his best as a central striker. Certainly not as a lone striker anyway. He's played at the top level for 20 years and this was the first season of his career he'd played as a lone striker for any length of time. Rangnick even said a couple of weeks ago that Ronaldo isn't a striker or doesn't see himself as one. So if you're trying to say we changed the way we were playing to suit Ronaldo, it's just not true because we didn't directly change for that reason, we expected him to seamlessly fit into how we were previously trying to play and then obviously adapted somewhat. The ironic thing is that some of Ronaldo's best football came when he did drop deep into the false 9 (or back out towards the left, which still to this day is his best position) area and looked to work the ball into the box, rather than just goal-hang essentially which seemed to be the instruction he was getting at times.
If you're looking for the change in style, Sancho is as much of a reason for that as Ronaldo really. He's a completely different type of player to Rashford and wants players close to him, rather than open space to run into.
Rashford was played on the right plenty last season too, so that's not something that it is fair to say is the fault of Ronaldo (I agree it's a ridiculous thing though, he's useless from the right and all his best football comes from the left).
Ultimately, it was not possible to legislate for Cavani deciding he couldn't be arsed all season, Greenwood doing what he did and the club still allowing Martial to leave. With those three players out of the picture, coupled with the astonishing drop off in Rashford's form over the past 18 months, our style and play became very predictable, particularly with a manager who didn't appear to want to take risks in attacking areas. Therefore Ronaldo pretty much had to play as the #9 as there weren't other options, had Cavani actually wanted to play for us I think we'd have seen a lot of differences but it's impossible to speculate on at this point.
Firstly, I saw you sneak Martial in there like I wouldn't notice. Let's not lump him and his supposed sulking into any argument because his attitude and general on-pitch work ethic has been a joke for years. He's also wanted to leave for years. So that's on him being a baby, not Ronaldo.The reports are that Cavani and Martial sulking is directly to do with Ronaldo’s signing actually. The club basically forced the 7 jersey off Cavani, which reports say pissed him off and he wasn’t getting enough game time so he couldn’t be bothered. The ham fisted way they rushed through the jersey change for marketing reasons and then to turn United into a merchandise shop for the week with Cavani forgotten about, that could have been legislated for and handled much better.
If United were going to keep Cavani, they should never have got Ronaldo. If they were planning to get Ronaldo, don’t keep Cavani. It’s piss poor squad management. At the start of the season it was 9-10 players for only 4 spots in the team. By the end of the season it was only 4-5 players most of the time, but the damage was done at the start of the season on those players who had checked out.
But a completely different player to Daniel James. If you can see how Ronaldo is different to Cavani or Martial surely you can see how Sancho is different to Dan James.Sancho was ultimately the direct replacement and improvement for Daniel James. A right footed player that could play on both channels.
On the other hand Ronaldo the central striker is not like a striker we had in the previous seasons.
Maybe Ronaldo noticed that the team doesn't win when he doesn't play, and thinks it's a bad idea to set up to purposefully lose the game. Is that 'stroppy' or common sense?I understand Ronaldo is still a very good player in the right set-up but for a fanbase that has continually complained about the toxic atmosphere in our dressing room, it should raise huge alarm bells that one of the most credible journalists reporting on United has claimed that a player brought in in part to set an example to the young players has gotten so stroppy after not being selected for the team that the manager has to worry about the reprisals of leaving him out for even one game.
Hmmm, sounds like 'sulking' is preferred over 'stroppy' in this thread.The reports are that Cavani and Martial sulking is directly to do with Ronaldo’s signing actually.
But a completely different player to Daniel James. If you can see how Ronaldo is different to Cavani or Martial surely you can see how Sancho is different to Dan James.
I've covered the Ronaldo central striker stuff and how it suited absolutely nobody.
I agree, and I'd still be playing Sancho at right wing but I don't see how you can't see the differences between him and James, they are completely different players. Sancho is all about small spaces and needs players close to him whereas Dan James needed open space and covered a lot of ground quickly. Rashford got put on the right wing because Sancho was starting to play himself into form from the left wing and RR didn't want to move him for some reason - you will note that under Ole Rashford was playing mostly from the left earlier in the season.Everyone thought that Sancho came here for RW.
As a RW he doesn’t play all that different to James with the crossing rather than the shooting abilities in comparison to a player like Greenwood.
Ronaldo came - James got sold, Rashford was injured so Sancho played in his more creative position at LW after Martial got put on loan. Cavani got dropped a level below. Both strikers that had any sort of hold up play or link play played less this season. Greenwood got banned. Rashford then got put kn the RW to purposely try to create for Ronaldo than in previous seasons where the chances were created more for him.
anyway, so many departures and changes that happened that changed our attacking play. Sancho is just one of two changes that effected our play so I don’t know how exactly that rules Ronaldo off either.
So it's Ronaldo's fault that Cavani, a grown man and professional in his mid 30s sulks like a child for something as frivolous and trivial as a shirt number despite the club still paying him millions for his services.The reports are that Cavani and Martial sulking is directly to do with Ronaldo’s signing actually. The club basically forced the 7 jersey off Cavani, which reports say pissed him off and he wasn’t getting enough game time so he couldn’t be bothered. The ham fisted way they rushed through the jersey change for marketing reasons and then to turn United into a merchandise shop for the week with Cavani forgotten about, that could have been legislated for and handled much better.
If United were going to keep Cavani, they should never have got Ronaldo. If they were planning to get Ronaldo, don’t keep Cavani. It’s piss poor squad management. At the start of the season it was 9-10 players for only 4 spots in the team. By the end of the season it was only 4-5 players most of the time, but the damage was done at the start of the season on those players who had checked out.
The reports are that Cavani and Martial sulking is directly to do with Ronaldo’s signing actually. The club basically forced the 7 jersey off Cavani, which reports say pissed him off and he wasn’t getting enough game time so he couldn’t be bothered. The ham fisted way they rushed through the jersey change for marketing reasons and then to turn United into a merchandise shop for the week with Cavani forgotten about, that could have been legislated for and handled much better.
World's most famous footballer, one of the greatest of all time, sporting icon, most highly paid player at the club and wears the famous number 7. It's Cristiano Ronaldo. At the same time, he's nearing 40, is unable to press, jetted off to Portugal rather than sat on the bench against Man City when told he wouldn't start (as per The Athletic report), is tactically inflexible and is representative of the sort of recruitment we want to move away from in the future (ageing superstar on massive wages). It'd be a shock if any conversation surrounding Ronaldo wasn't polemic!Why when Cristiano is involved is it always polemic?