[VP89]

Ronaldo strikes me a bit like Henry as a manager. The latter was apparently annoyed constantly at his Monaco team for them failing to execute passes/transitions that would come so easy for him as a player. He failed to recognize that not everyone is as talented as he is and he needs to get them fulfilling the best in their potential rather than get angry every time they fail.

Ronaldo likely is fighting for the common cause and is dedicated with high expectations. I wonder if his tough love just makes him unapproachable. Maybe it does but I don't think its a major issue or a talking point.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Maybe this is a personality issue from some of our youth players. Elanga has supposedly been a sponge to Ronaldo, you'll often find them together in training pictures.

 

[Anustart89]

Elanga seems to have a great attitude that'll take him far regardless of his level of talent. Glad we signed him up to a long-term contract.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

He didn't really say it the way you're thinking it, especially considering his English is rather bad. You're just talking out of your ass and taking shit out of context about a guy you don't even know. How in the feck do you know it works and "speaks to him on a personal level". You forum weirdos are getting worse day after day, trying to claw onto every god damn thing one of our players says or does.

It's just a discussion forum, calm down. Don't call me a weirdo. It was in reference to how Ronaldo believes that players and a team will act, referencing his interviews and his reaction to being substituted and other things. Plenty of other times we've talked about his technical performances on the pitch.

 

[Frank Rizzo]

I think it was a mistake to resign him, and just as with Pogba, we've seen returning players creating more problems than they solve.

I think we can agree he is a complete narcissist (in a vanity sense rather than pathological) and he demands all the attention. Let's be honest, he was about to sign with the enemy, he saw it as an easy chance to join one of the best teams and add to his trophy haul with world-wide coverage and adulation. Obviously, he's more cynical than we want to believe.

Then, as that deal fell apart (for reasons which are not clear to me), he' seen our 2nd place finish and thought, 'that's close enough!'

From our point of view, it's clear he wasn't brought back for his football skills alone. It was a stupid Ed endorsed decision that appealed to us sentimental fans and to the bean counters who quickly started seeing dollar signs from the commercial possibilities.

I think he's never finished lower than 4th so potentially, this season could be his 'worst' (if we finish outside top 4) and that's the real reason we're seeing his petulance. He just won't accept it reflecting on him. I think he's more trouble than he's worth (in a footballing sense).

 

[MrEleson]

It’s most likely only Greenwood that has issues with him. Can tell that by his body language on the pitch and his refusal to pass the ball to him in previous games.

 

[Gehrman]

Because people forget that we actually do create decent chances. Think about his chance missed against Norwich and how he should have really had a hattrick against Burnley.

Tbh people try to find excuses with Ronaldo. Maupey, Vardy, Dennis and Gallagher have more non penalty goals than Ronaldo and look at the teams they play for. You can not say they create more chances than us.

Yeah I understand. I just think with our struggle to control games you'd imagine players from City or Chelsea apart from Liverpool would get better service.

 

[Gehrman]

Ronaldo strikes me a bit like Henry as a manager. The latter was apparently annoyed constantly at his Monaco team for them failing to execute passes/transitions that would come so easy for him as a player. He failed to recognize that not everyone is as talented as he is and he needs to get them fulfilling the best in their potential rather than get angry every time they fail.

Ronaldo likely is fighting for the common cause and is dedicated with high expectations. I wonder if his tough love just makes him unapproachable. Maybe it does but I don't think its a major issue or a talking point.

But Ronaldo himself is not even mastering the basic stuff anymore. At least not compared to the level he had. I get what you mean though. Cryuff as a manager was frustrated because players couldn't read the game like he could and well weren't anywhere as good.

 

[VP89]

But Ronaldo himself is not even mastering the basic stuff anymore. At least not compared to the level he had. I get what you mean though. Cryuff as a manager was frustrated because players couldn't read the game like he could and well weren't anywhere as good.

He has some annoying flicks that he tries but aside from that I'm OK with his general play. I think his frustration is when midfielders behind him cant string together easy balls or the crosses are over hit etc.

 

[Gehrman]

He has some annoying flicks that he tries but aside from that I'm OK with his general play. I think his frustration is when midfielders behind him cant string together easy balls or the crosses are over hit etc.

It definitely a fair thing to get frustrated about. Wan Bissaka certainly isn't crossing like Beckham

 

[Mickeza]

 

[Red Shorts]

Ronaldo has 15,5 x 90s (15 starts and 2 as sub)
Zlatan has 9,8 x 90s (10 starts and 4 as sub). Started the season with injury and played only 30 minutes total in the first 7 matches this season.

Sorry not clear on this, so Ronaldo has played 1,550 minutes and Zlatan 980 is what you're saying?

 

[BusbyMalone]

Whatever about his managerial or coaching acumen, I really like his honesty in interviews. Also, Ronaldo can go feck himself if he indeed said that.
You've been subbed; end of.

 

[troylocker]

Sorry not clear on this, so Ronaldo has played 1,550 minutes and Zlatan 980 is what you're saying?

If matches lasted 100 minutes, yes.
Ronaldo has played 1398 minutes and Zlatan has played 881 minutes.

 

[That_Bloke]

I really should stay off this thread (Ronaldo is my favourites player) when Ronaldo doesn't score a goal in a game, it's toxic.. when Ronaldo doesn't score a goal in a goal so much criticism (compare the Criticism Ronaldo gets to Cavani for example it's chalk and cheese).. the standards are ridiculous and impossible for any player to live upto never mind one that is almost 37 years old.. he cost a measly £13 million which is nothing and paltry in todays standards. Sancho and Varane cost much more yet don't get even half the criticism for a bad game or in Sanchos case a poor whole season.

I honestly think it's best if we mutually agree to terminate Ronaldo's contract at the end of the season.. The team wins with him in if (not Cavani) and the fans want to drop him. He's definitely not loved like he wants and he is obviously unhappy as he feels the pressure and stress scapegoat for all the teams problems and it shows hence his reaction last night as he feels he needs to score goals to justify/defend himself and scoring goals is the only way he knows how.. So best for all parties if he leaves. And he can go somewhere where he's loved and adored play score all the time etc to win trophies.

everyone can be happy and move on then. The Media and fans killed the Golden Goose. Over-analysing and going OTT at everything Ronaldo does and only focusing on the negatives (instead of the positives like the chest pass)

Ronaldo should go to a Farmers League like Messi and then we will see who's better.

We would have never guessed.

 

[troylocker]

Ronaldo strikes me a bit like Henry as a manager. The latter was apparently annoyed constantly at his Monaco team for them failing to execute passes/transitions that would come so easy for him as a player. He failed to recognize that not everyone is as talented as he is and he needs to get them fulfilling the best in their potential rather than get angry every time they fail.

Ronaldo likely is fighting for the common cause and is dedicated with high expectations. I wonder if his tough love just makes him unapproachable. Maybe it does but I don't think its a major issue or a talking point.

Should his teammates talk back to him with the same bodylanguage every time he misses a chance (among the bottom 25% finshers in the league and the worst in our team among midfielders and attackers this season), doesn't press (solo bottom in the league), misscontrols a ball, missplaces a pass, doesn't see a run or gets easiliy pushed off the ball?

With his CV they should have pretty high expectations to him too, wouldn't you think?

 

[romufc]

Maybe this is a personality issue from some of our youth players. Elanga has supposedly been a sponge to Ronaldo, you'll often find them together in training pictures.

That is exactly what it is. Some of the players have been hyped up too much, Rashford, Greenwood and Sancho, they think they have made it and are superstars.

They need to sit down, Elanga is the least experienced and he doesn't find Ronaldo hard to approach.

I have a feeling that, Ronaldo has told the other players what they do not want to hear. They need to improve to become better players. They dont like it and rumours come out.

 

[MrEleson]

Should his teammates talk back to him with the same bodylanguage every time he misses a chance (among the bottom 25% finshers in the league and the worst in our team among midfielders and attackers this season), doesn't press (solo bottom in the league), misscontrols a ball, missplaces a pass, doesn't see a run or gets easiliy pushed off the ball?

With his CV they should have pretty high expectations to him too, wouldn't you think?

So in your opinion, Ronaldo isn’t qualified to give them advice?

 

[romufc]

Should his teammates talk back to him with the same bodylanguage every time he misses a chance (among the bottom 25% finshers in the league and the worst in our team among midfielders and attackers this season), doesn't press (solo bottom in the league), misscontrols a ball, missplaces a pass, doesn't see a run or gets easiliy pushed off the ball?

With his CV they should have pretty high expectations to him too, wouldn't you think?

You forgot one stat. Top scorer.

 

[That_Bloke]

Completely agree.

Rangnick is a Rafa Benítez doppelganger, who wanted to teach Ronaldo how to score penalty kicks.

I really don't know what else to add, some collective belief that Ronaldo is hurting the team is starting to form and I see no going back. The whole club management is in a total mess from top to bottom and many fans need a plot to deny the fact that changing Solskjær for Rangnick made it even worse. Ronaldo is the natural scapegoat.

Only a few great minds, like Rio, can see what's going on but I don't think their insights will suffice.

The die has been cast. Let's hope for the best.

Wow

It wouldn't surprise me if that tantrum was deliberately planned beforehand with Rangnick... a way to broadcast to the world (and the rest of the squad) what it's supposed to mean to have a Manchester United mentality.

This is the sort of attitude I want to see from all of our dressing room leaders. Like the coolest kid in your class, he's the one who sets the tone. Pogba was the last big presence who ruled over our squad. But you never would have seen this kind of single minded passion from him. And more's the pity.

The cultural reset we need is exactly what Ronaldo showed on Saturday. We lost it under LvG when he sold the likes of Rafael, Evra, Vidic, Rio, RvP etc. and bought the likes of AdM, Falcao, Schweinsteiger, Martial etc. Jose began to claw it back, but fecked up the squad's age profile in the process. Ole brought in a better blend of ages, but lost the players' trust before he could see it through. Hopefully Rangnick can pick up the baton now and run with it.

It's not always about building a squad of talented players. You also need the right personalities. Ronaldo has that in spades. It's the manager's job now to set that as the standard.

Bloody hell

 

[Ranger2d]

So in your opinion, Ronaldo isn’t qualified to give them advice?

Is having a hissy fit every time someone does something wrong or when something doesn’t go your way, your definition of advice

 

[Skyhightrees]

Nah I hope you people can still watch United next season… He will be here

And he is playing badly, he will get better, last seasom at Juve he led the team on completed dribbles… a drastic decline as this is not real, youre going to see.

 

[CloneMC16]

Someone in here asked for a comparison between Ronaldo and Zlatan this season.
Here's their numbers so far this season in their leagues:

Goalscoring + finishing:

Ronaldo (36y): 0,39 non penalty goals per 90 / 0,56 npxG90 - underperforming by 30%
Zlatan (40y): 0,82 non penalty goals per 90 / 0,67 npxG90 - overperforming by 22%

Honorable mentions:
(Bruno (27y): 0,38 non penalty goals per 90 / 0,18 npxG90 - overperforming by 111%)
(Haaland (21y): 1,0 non penalty goals per 90 / 0,68 npxG90 - overperforming by 47%)
(Lewa (33y): 1,1 non penalty goals per 90 / 1,16 npxG90 - underperforming by 5%)
(Benzema (34y): 0,82 non penalty goals per 90 / 0,53 npxG90 - overperforming by 55%)

Actual goalthreat per 90 minutes (npg90+xA):

Ronaldo: 0,39 non penalty goals per 90 + 0,11 expected assists per 90 - 0,5 npg90+xA90
Zlatan: 0,82 non penalty goals per 90 + 0,17 expected assists per 90 - 0,99 npg90+xA90

(Bruno: 0,38 non penalty goals per 90 + 0,30 expected assists per 90 - 0,68 npg90+xA90)
(Haaland: 1,0 non penalty goals per 90 + 0,29 expected assists per 90 - 1,29 npg90+xA90)
(Lewa: 1,1 non penalty goals per 90 + 0,20 expected assists per 90 - 1,30 npg90+xA90)
(Benzema: 0,82 non penalty goals per 90 + 0,24 expected assists per 90 - 1,06 npg90+xA90)

So far this season 40 year old Zlatan has offered double the goalthreat per 90 minutes 36 year old Ronaldo has. His finishing is a lot better and he offers more creativity and directness in his play. Bruno also offer more goalthreat from his offensive midfield position than Ronaldo.
Compared to other old top strikers and the hottest of the new generation his numbers looks, well, judge for yourselves.

Pressing and intercepting:

Ronaldo: 6,39 pressings per 90 / 1,87 successful pressings per 90 / 2,84 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 / 0,19 interceptions per 90
Zlatan: 9,08 pressings per 90 / 3,47 successful pressings per 90 / 6,33 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 / 0,61 interceptions per 90

(Bruno: 17,04 pressings per 90 / 4,84 successful pressings per 90 / 5,11 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 / 1,13 interceptions per 90)
(Haaland: 12,42 pressings per 90 / 3,67 successful pressings per 90 / 8,42 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 / 0,33 interceptions per 90)
(Lewa: 8,73 pressings per 90 / 2,98 successful pressings per 90 / 5,69 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 / 0,33 interceptions per 90)
(Benzema: 9,23 pressings per 90 / 2,30 successful pressings per 90 / 5,30 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 / 0,27 interceptions per 90)

This is painfull reading. The 40 year old puts in more than double shifts for pressing in the attacking 3rd compared to our man....
To be honest Lewa, Benzema and Zlatan presses well below average for forwards today.
Ronaldo's defensive contribution this season is shocking, nothing less.

Should we try to gel in the different constellations of Sancho/Rashford/Greenwood/Elanga/Diallo and let Ronaldo and Cavani chip in now and then?
...or should we invest time in trying to get the soon to be 37 year old back in scoring form?

The five youngsters puts in 2x + pressingnumbers btw.

Thank you for posting these numbers. It doesn't read well, but it does match what I'm seeing on the pitch. Although, I do think it's a bit harsh to compare Ibra's xG and xA numbers to Ronaldo. Without trying to disrespect Serie A too much, the PL is superior and harder to play in.

Where did you happen to get these stats? I would be interested in seeing the exact numbers for our younger players.

Ronaldo strikes me a bit like Henry as a manager. The latter was apparently annoyed constantly at his Monaco team for them failing to execute passes/transitions that would come so easy for him as a player. He failed to recognize that not everyone is as talented as he is and he needs to get them fulfilling the best in their potential rather than get angry every time they fail.

Ronaldo likely is fighting for the common cause and is dedicated with high expectations. I wonder if his tough love just makes him unapproachable. Maybe it does but I don't think its a major issue or a talking point.

Didn't the same thing happen with Roy Keane as a manager? Struggling with frustration at less talented players failing to perform at a level that he could quite easily reach. You can understand it from their PoV, but it's not going to work if you're managing anything but an elite team.

It's really hard to comment on leaks like this. We don't know if they're even real. There has been so much come out over the past couple months. Journalists can easily make shit up that sounds plausible. The fans just believe it if it goes along with their perceived views.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

And you're posting laughing emojis at others.

I laughed at him talking about 'haters' like he is 12.

Are you saying my statement is wrong?

 

[troylocker]

So in your opinion, Ronaldo isn’t qualified to give them advice?

No, no, no!
He absolutely is. Who's got more experience than him?
He's got tons to teach the other attackers and players for sure.
There is nothing to be learned from his bodylanguage on the pitch, his low defensive workrate or his reaction to getting subbed though. Embaressing and pathetic.
I think his moaning and body language should be left on junior football levels and his own performances on the pitch is far from the standard he demands from his team mates.

I'm sure we can find better use for him than starting him every week and letting him piss on his teammates in interviews.

 

[Dante]

Wow




Bloody hell

What's your problem?

 

[Josh 76]

Thank you for posting these numbers. It doesn't read well, but it does match what I'm seeing on the pitch. Although, I do think it's a bit harsh to compare Ibra's xG and xA numbers to Ronaldo. Without trying to disrespect Serie A too much, the PL is superior and harder to play in.

Where did you happen to get these stats? I would be interested in seeing the exact numbers for our younger players.


Didn't the same thing happen with Roy Keane as a manager? Struggling with frustration at less talented players failing to perform at a level that he could quite easily reach. You can understand it from their PoV, but it's not going to work if you're managing anything but an elite team.

It's really hard to comment on leaks like this. We don't know if they're even real. There has been so much come out over the past couple months. Journalists can easily make shit up that sounds plausible. The fans just believe it if it goes along with their perceived views.

Glen Hoddle had similar issues with England players. Rio said he would actually take the free kicks in training.

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

I’m surprised, I was expecting Elanga to come out and say “Ronaldo’s one of the greatest players of all time but he’s now washed up and quite frankly should step aside to let younger players develop, United made a mistake re-signing him”.

 

[troylocker]

Thank you for posting these numbers. It doesn't read well, but it does match what I'm seeing on the pitch. Although, I do think it's a bit harsh to compare Ibra's xG and xA numbers to Ronaldo. Without trying to disrespect Serie A too much, the PL is superior and harder to play in.

Where did you happen to get these stats? I would be interested in seeing the exact numbers for our younger players.


Didn't the same thing happen with Roy Keane as a manager? Struggling with frustration at less talented players failing to perform at a level that he could quite easily reach. You can understand it from their PoV, but it's not going to work if you're managing anything but an elite team.

It's really hard to comment on leaks like this. We don't know if they're even real. There has been so much come out over the past couple months. Journalists can easily make shit up that sounds plausible. The fans just believe it if it goes along with their perceived views.

There is scored more goals in the PL every week than in Serie A. And I don't think that even though the PL is more competitive it is not twice as hard to score here (0,5 vs. 0,99). His low presingnumbers are rock bottom of all the 5 biggest leagues.
I get my numbers from several different sites, they all have their strenghts and weaknesses, here are some of the databases I use the most:

fbref.com
understat.com
whoscored.com
transfermarkt.co.uk

There is plenty more out there. Enjoy!

Ronaldo's extremely bad defensive workrate and bad chance conversion rate is what really stands out for him individually, but when you dig into team stats with and without him, well.... it's not pretty.

 

[Josh 76]

Finally a manager with balls.
Not good enough, feck off Maguire
Not good enough, feck off Shaw
Not good enough, Feck of AWB

No way would this ever happen under Ole.

 

[troylocker]

I’m surprised, I was expecting Elanga to come out and say “Ronaldo’s one of the greatest players of all time but he’s now washed up and quite frankly should step aside to let younger players develop, United made a mistake re-signing him”.

Me too, but we all know how these twitter quotes tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the whole truth.
At least he didn't downtalk his teammates....

 

[Dante]

Finally a manager with balls.
Not good enough, feck off Maguire
Not good enough, feck off Shaw
Not good enough, Feck of AWB

No way would this ever happen under Ole.

Ole dropped Ronaldo against Everton.

 

[troylocker]

Finally a manager with balls.
Not good enough, feck off Maguire
Not good enough, feck off Shaw
Not good enough, Feck of AWB

No way would this ever happen under Ole.

Welcome to the Ronaldo thread

 

[That_Bloke]

What's your problem?

Hmm, me? None whatsoever.

You should re-read your post though. Especially the bits about Cristiano's tantrum being planned beforehand and how throwing a hissy fit before 30,000 spectators because you were subbed off is the right way to show pashun and United dNa.

 

[Joel Miller]

Normal rules just dont apply to him.

Yes he cannot put in 9/10 performances everyweek, but the rest of the team aint doint that either. I'm very sure he will have a lot of match winning performances this season, like he already has. He's gonna make a lot of people eat crow.

He’s already dodged a couple of red cards on account of his name so I’d say you’re right there. That ties into the tantrum thing too, at 36 I couldn’t believe he was losing his discipline so easily and taking wild kicks at players.

For the Ronaldo of a few years ago you would 100% put up with that. But not this version. It’s not worth it.

 

[Majima]

Ronaldo crossed the line last night. I've been all for him calling out our complacent players. But If he's causing problems for Ralf, then he needs to leave asap. That behaviour was unacceptable.

 

[shamans]

I laughed at him talking about 'haters' like he is 12.

Are you saying my statement is wrong?

You have a weird obsession posting hateful comments against a club legend. Just say he's been poor and move on maybe

 

[Majima]

Go on Ralf!

 

[BlueHaze]

Jesus christ the things written in here. Have you not followed Ronaldo's career until now? He does this everytime he gets subbed. Even at Real where he was winning everything he threw massive strop against Zidane when subbed. Even when Sir Alex was here he lashed out when subbed. Some hilarious overreactions in here.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Finally a manager with balls.
Not good enough, feck off Maguire
Not good enough, feck off Shaw
Not good enough, Feck of AWB

No way would this ever happen under Ole.

Except none of this actually happened.