[kouroux]

As I said it has become more normal because fans are giving the top players too much power and leeway. Which is really bad for the game and the clubs imo. Look at our state now for example.

If fans would boo anytime a player, regardless of who he is, having that behaviour it would help the club they support alot imo.

I'm sorry but that's feck all to do with it, I've been watching football for over 30 years and I've seen it everywhere, every year. Some people are just like that, it's up to coaches to resolve the situation with their players. Even some of the best managers in history have had players publically display their discontent at being subbed.
There isn't a single situation that gets better with fans booing.

His overall game is very poor and he looks so weak on the ball. You'd never think he's a 6ft plus muscle man. Which is all clearly normal for a 37 year old who has been playing top flight football for 20 odd years. I think it's time to retire at that end of the season, or if he really wants to carry on playing there's always the MLS.

This is the most obvious aspect of his decline. No longer can even make a difference physically, whether it's with strength or with quick feet. When he shoots the ball, it's so so weak. He still got his predatory instincts and his movement will always be good but Ronaldo plays like a weak old man these days

 

[Trex]

I've seen Bruno do worst when taken off, can remember him swinging his arm and openly ranting at Ole when his number was raised by the fourth official, but with Bruno he's undisputable in his role at Man utd, Ronaldo isn't, we have a raft of Forwards and Ronaldo can't demand to start every game and play 90 mins, today the likes of Sancho, Cavani, and Martial weren't even involved, he has got to realize he isn't indisputable here and act appropriately.

 

[Gehrman]

Ronnie has a public interview about mentality. Throws a hissy fit when subbed. Leader my ass.

 

[kouroux]

Ronnie has a public interview about mentality. Throws a hissy fit when subbed. Leader my ass.

I wonder if some of the players will joke about it with him. That's not a good look after that ITW tbh

 

[Nordmore]

sorry but that's feck all to do with it, I've been watching football for over 30 years and I've seen it everywhere, every year. Some people are just like that, it's up to coaches to resolve the situation with their players. Even some of the best managers in history have had players publically display their discontent at being subbed.
There isn't a single situation that gets better with fans booing.

It has a lot to do with it. I've been watching football for over 25 years too. It's not everywhere with any player. The more fans accept this the more the players think they're bigger than the clubs. It's never good for a club when players start to think they're bigger than the club.

On one hand it's ok for them to get a bit emotional. On other hand someone must tell them it's wrong and not good for the team and they'd better cut those off instead of telling everyone it's ok and we should accept that. How many players you've seen keep acting like Ronaldo everytime he got subbed? They did once, maybe twice in their entire career. Then they cut that off. Because they know what they did was wrong and not acceptable.

Anyway we should agree to disagree and move on I think.

 

[crossy1686]

I didn't mind Ronaldo having a paddy when he got subbed off, we haven't seen that from any of our players in years. He wanted to play, he wanted to score, and he wanted to make sure we didn't get a repeat of Villa. Yes, he's self absorbed but he see's Manchester United as an extension of himself and he can't handle us dropping points.

I thought Ralf handled it brilliantly during the game though. Sat next to him, hand on the knee, whisper in the ear, like a father calming down his son. I honestly wish more of our players cared enough about getting subbed off to throw a tantrum.

 

[locixxx]

Ole didnt have balls for something like this, Ronnie is a legend but he have to accept it

 

[Bebestation]

I could maybe understand Ronaldo getting fustrated at being subbed off for another striker - but being subbed to go 3 at the back with an added defender is quite easy to understand in terms of tactics.

 

[kouroux]

It has a lot to do with it. I've been watching football for over 25 years too. It's not everywhere with any player. The more fans accept this the more the players think they're bigger than the clubs. It's never good for a club when players start to think they're bigger than the club.

On one hand it's ok for them to get a bit emotional. On other hand someone must tell them it's wrong and not good for the team and they'd better cut those off instead of telling everyone it's ok and we should accept that. How many players you've seen keep acting like Ronaldo everytime he got subbed? They did once, maybe twice in their entire career. Then they cut that off. Becaus they know what they did was wrong and not acceptable.

Anyway we should agree to disagree and move on I think.

Again, no one is saying it's ok to act like that because it's not but I'll maintain you're making it worse than it is at the moment. Rangnick talked to him and will talk to him presumably. Everyone will already have moved on from it. Ronaldo will accept it he's not untouchable. It's a new reality for him and he will adapt. Like I said there are plenty of players who throw pathetic hissy fits when subbed but it doesn't mean their manager don't use in the following games

Ole didnt have balls for something like this, Ronnie is a legend but he have to accept it

Actually Ole did it and Ronaldo didn't like it then but he didn't react like last night

 

[Nordmore]

Ronaldo will accept it he's not untouchable

Let's see if he will next time.

Again, no one is saying it's ok to act like that because it's not but I'll maintain you're making it worse than it is at the moment.

Good thing at least you accept it's not ok. Again let's move on then.

 

[Ixion]

To be fair to him he's an 18 year old kid who just wants to play, I'm sure he'll grow out of it as he matures.

My guess is he was hoping for a nice easy goal once Brentford pushed forward as the game went on, basically the 3rd in a 3-0 like Rashford got. His chest pass was nice but the rest wasn't much to write home about. Ralf made a mistake not bringing Cavani off in the last game and he wasn't repeating it this time.

 

[Acheron]

Why it's wayyy out of proportion? You really think that behaviour is acceptable?

It has become more normal in football because we fans are giving the top players too much power and leeway. Which is really bad for the game and for the clubs imo. Look at our state now after years of such.

Of course we should move on. I didn't say anything like we should bench him or he should feck off because of that. I only said it's wrong, I seriously dislike it and it's not good for the team.

It's out of proportion because it's about a player being competitive and wanting to play. It might rub you the wrong way but he's a very committed person to his profession and it's much preferable than someone not wanting or refusing to play.

 

[SonyaCross493]

I really should stay off this thread (Ronaldo is my favourites player) when Ronaldo doesn't score a goal in a game, it's toxic.. when Ronaldo doesn't score a goal in a goal so much criticism (compare the Criticism Ronaldo gets to Cavani for example it's chalk and cheese).. the standards are ridiculous and impossible for any player to live upto never mind one that is almost 37 years old.. he cost a measly £13 million which is nothing and paltry in todays standards. Sancho and Varane cost much more yet don't get even half the criticism for a bad game or in Sanchos case a poor whole season.

I honestly think it's best if we mutually agree to terminate Ronaldo's contract at the end of the season.. The team wins with him in if (not Cavani) and the fans want to drop him. He's definitely not loved like he wants and he is obviously unhappy as he feels the pressure and stress scapegoat for all the teams problems and it shows hence his reaction last night as he feels he needs to score goals to justify/defend himself and scoring goals is the only way he knows how.. So best for all parties if he leaves. And he can go somewhere where he's loved and adored play score all the time etc to win trophies.

everyone can be happy and move on then. The Media and fans killed the Golden Goose. Over-analysing and going OTT at everything Ronaldo does and only focusing on the negatives (instead of the positives like the chest pass)

Ronaldo should go to a Farmers League like Messi and then we will see who's better.

 

[Ixion]

Ronaldo's happiness shouldnt enter the equation. I think it's best to pick the team with the mentality he will be gone in the Summer anyway, use him when needed but don't do anything to appease him, if he wants to sulk let him sulk, we have 4 young forwards that will be here long after him that need to develop. Use him in those big games like the CL where he's likely to get a goal but other than that just use him like any other player.

 

[Jeppers7]

Chest pass was pure filth

 

[Glorio]

I think Rangnick caused that reaction. Every man and his dog knows Ronaldo would react like that when you substitute him when he hasn't scored a goal

if Rangnick kept him on the pitch you avoid the side story and media headlines of Ronaldo strop

so I blame Rangnick for not understanding the player

Ronaldo hasn't played for a few weeks he didn't need a rest. A 2 week break after the West Ham game too

no need to rest him. He's the freshest player right now. He needs minutes.

he needs a confidence and a goal. His confidence must be low. Strikers live on goals especially him and when they are not scoring they are unhappy.

You're a special one aren't you?
The team is not called Ronaldo FC you know? His performances have been dire for a while, he was the least effective attacking player on the pitch yesterday, he was just back from injury, and he got taken off; he should be humble, keep his mouth shut and not create pointless headlines. I for one hope Ralf makes a point of subbing him off again next game - if he starts.

If there are headlines, it's 100% Ronaldo's fault, definitely not RR's. And your logic that the manager should pander to all Ronaldo's whims because he will throw a strop and create headlines if not, is frankly disturbing.

That was very poor pediatric behaviour from someone who called out his teammate's attitude a week ago. We know what he's achieved in the game, but lately, his performances, and his behaviour yesterday are far from what I want our youngsters emulating.

 

[captaincantona]

I didn't mind Ronaldo having a paddy when he got subbed off, we haven't seen that from any of our players in years. He wanted to play, he wanted to score, and he wanted to make sure we didn't get a repeat of Villa

I don’t buy these arguements. As a professional you can want all those things and still decide not to behave in a way that you know will put more pressure on the manager and stir the pot in an already fractious dressing room.

You say we haven’t seen that from other players like that’s a bad thing. Truth is, you don’t see it from many players at all...because it’s never good. It just brings headlines and most players are more professional than that. They will sort it behind closed doors and more importantly still support their team. It’s pure fuking ego like Messi with Poch. Players who can’t accept that they are not essential to their teams anymore and having a strop. Did you see his reaction when Rashford put the game to bed? It’s was disgraceful. One of our so called leaders caring more about getting his point across to the manager about himself then showing a Utd front and showing it was the result that mattered. He did the opposite. He actually looked annoyed Rashford scored. What the fuk is that about...Mata and DVB even looked happy and they haven’t had a kick lately.

He wanted to score? So fuking what! Everyone wants to score...you don’t leave a guy on the pitch to chase records. Ok if he is on his hat trick and we are 5-0 up but considering how we capitulated in our last match it was at the very least completely reasonable to sit back and get fresh legs on considering he was doing fuk all anyway. His personal records should never come into the managers decision making or in game management. What an odd arguement you make.

finally, he wanted to make sure Villa didn’t happen again? Then he should have recognised that with 20 minutes to go we needed an outlet up front...someone who couldeither hold the ball up or pose a threat in behind in order to keep their centre backs pinned back somewhat. He provides neither of those things. So if he didn’t want a repeat of Villa then he should have been putting his hand up to come off.

Basically he chested a ball last night for a preassist. Other than that he offered nothing.Correct decision to take him off although replacing him with Maguire is another question altogether.

 

[Wolf1992]

His overall game is very poor and he looks so weak on the ball. You'd never think he's a 6ft plus muscle man. Which is all clearly normal for a 37 year old who has been playing top flight football for 20 odd years. I think it's time to retire at that end of the season, or if he really wants to carry on playing there's always the MLS.

He is way too competitive to go to MLS, Japan, China or Saudi Arabia, those leagues are tier 4 at best.
You could say money can motivate him to go there, but again he is way too competitive to choose money over competition.
No way he is down to play amateurish football in a non-footballing country.

The least he will choose is Ligue 1(PSG) or Sporting Lisbon.

 

[Strelok]

Greenwood kept staring at him the whole time. He must have been wondering how on earth a 37 yo could be that childish and moany. He'd better cut that crap off next time. Insufferable primadonna. Worse thing is that primadonna is even well past it. Leader my arse. Winner mentality my arse he looked so annoyed when Rashford scores. He only cares about himself and his records.

 

[SonyaCross493]

He is way too competitive to go to MLS, Japan, China or Saudi Arabia, those leagues are tier 4 at best.You could say money can motivate him to go there, but again he is way too competitive to choose money over competition.
No way he is down to play amateurish football in a non-footballing country.

The least he will choose is Ligue 1(PSG) or Sporting Lisbon.

probably Sporting Lisbon as the Portuguese and French league are similar in quality

he might as well retire if he goes to MLS or Dubai as he will be irrelevant and the thing most people will remember (lasting memory) is how his Manchester United career ended in failure and that's not how anyone wants to end their careers. He wants and deserves to end his career as a winner understandably.

i do wonder how different things would have turned out for Ronaldo had he joined City instead. They would've create more goal scoring chances and assists for him per game. United was the wrong club at the wrong time. We don't play to his strengths at all with putting crosses into the box etc. He doesn't even get 1 chance a game to score a goal..

 

[IhabX7]

Fact is, no one in our team and not many in the league could have pulled off that pass to Bruno, and it resulted in a goal. He’s capable of more, we just need to get him more involved to regain his touch which he had shown earlier in the season.

 

[Ixion]

Imagine being Donny who can barely get a minute on the pitch and having Ronaldo sat in front of you throwing a strop because he didn't get 90.

 

[FattyFooty]

The shit Ronaldo is getting is absurd.

He won more champions league than our club did in 60 years. So what if he got mad beeing subbed. People need to understand hes mentalty has allways been like that. No need for this drama. Ronaldo is done with it now so is Ralf.

Hes goals pretty much sent us to next stage in CL and yesterday we played good. With Ronaldo on the field and without him.

He will probably go score against West Ham as a result of this.

 

[Gehrman]

probably Sporting Lisbon as the Portuguese and French league are similar in quality

he might as well retire if he goes to MLS or Dubai as he will be irrelevant and the thing most people will remember (lasting memory) is how his Manchester United career ended in failure and that's not how anyone wants to end their careers. He wants and deserves to end his career as a winner understandably.

i do wonder how different things would have turned out had he joined City instead. They would've create more goal scoring chances and assists for him. United was the wrong club at the wrong time. We don't play to his strengths at all with putting crosses into the box etc. He doesn't even get 1 chance a game.

Ronaldo could retire tomorrow and his legacy will still be set in stone. Giggs retired in Moyes season. It didn't hurt his legacy that he retired while he was well past it. It's funny people keep talking about him going to City, like they wanted him going to City, but also the narrative that Ronaldo needs chances put on a plate for him to score.

 

[the_cliff]

Rooney 04/05 (18) - 43 apps - 17 goals -
6 assists

Ronaldo 21/22 (36) - 22 apps - 14 goals - 3 assists

That's a very strange comparison and claim, half of this fan base and "fans" like yourself have a really weird obsession with hating on one of the best players this club has ever seen.

The hate in this place has for Ronaldo is strange. (Fixed it for you)

"He's been average since the UCL group stage came to an end,"

he's scored 4 goals and assisted 1, in the 8 games since he last played in UCL. 5 wins, 2 draws and 1 loss (Wolves).

But according to you "he's crap and has been crap for a long time now, get off the pitch you should be happy you started based on your form."

Honestly I don't understand "fans" that hate on Ronaldo as if we are setting the world alight without him

You fail to mention 2 of them were penalties.
So he's scored 2 open play goals and has one assist (which was a bad touch) in 8 games and you think he's been the best player the club has ever seen in those 8 games. That's just his stats not considering his overall general play which has been totally average.

Ronaldo will go down as one of the best players ever but this season and in the last 8 games he hasn't been anything like the Ronaldo of old. I don't understand 'fans' that are still on their knees for this guy even though he's a shadow of what he once was.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

The shit Ronaldo is getting is absurd.

He won more champions league than our club did in 60 years. So what if he got mad beeing subbed. People need to understand hes mentalty has allways been like that. No need for this drama.

The drama and Ronaldo thinking he’s bigger than the club is a big reason why this has been a terrible season. Why do you think our players play with no chemistry and don’t look like they like each other. Hmm, I wonder does this strop help with that? What is the point of the strop other than personal vanity?

And what was the point of Ronaldo continuing to play when 2 nil up against Brentford other than personal vanity? To stat pad a goal in a game that was won? To make it 3-0 instead of 2-0 but he gets the headlines? I can understand it more if it was 0-0, but the game is over. He needs to grow up.

 

[kouroux]

Let's see if he will next time.

Good thing at least you accept it's not ok. Again let's move on then.

I never said it was ok, just you're turning this into something else

 

[captaincantona]

The shit Ronaldo is getting is absurd.

He won more champions league than our club did in 60 years. So what if he got mad beeing subbed. People need to understand hes mentalty has allways been like that. No need for this drama. Ronaldo is done with it now so is Ralf.

Hes goals pretty much sent us to next stage in CL and yesterday we played good. With Ronaldo on the field and without him.

He will probably go score against West Ham as a result of this.

It’s exacerbated by some fans inflating what he brings to the team to be fair. He was ineffective yesterday. Simple. Good chest. Nothing else and so taking him off should not be a drama.

 

[SonyaCross493]

Ronaldo could retire tomorrow and his legacy will still be set in stone. Giggs retired in Moyes season. It didn't hurt his legacy that he retired while he was well past it. It's funny people keep talking about him going to City, like they wanted him going to City, but also the narrative that Ronaldo needs chances put on a plate for him to score.

I dunno. Some People have short memories (look at the over the top criticism Ronaldo gets on this forum there's no respect for a United Legend and what he's done for the club in the past from United fans) don't they and tend to focus on players last moments rather than seeing the career as a whole in perspective.

United fans instead of calling for him to retire and a disgrace etc they could be more respectful and say it hasn't worked out (for whatever reason) but he's a United Legend still and deserves to leave with his legacy intact out the front door with his head held high and wish him well in his future endeavours. They don't need to be so disrespectful to a United Legend. Especially one that turned down City to comeback. That could cost City winning the Champions League this season.

 

[Gehrman]

I dunno. Some People have short memories (look at the criticism Ronaldo gets on this forum there's no respect for a United Legend and what he's done for the club in the past from United fans) don't they and tend to focus on players last moments rather than seeing the career as a whole in perspective.

Ronnie gets critized for his performances and petulant attitude which he's always had. Ronnie has always been about himself, not the club. Now that he's not the best in the world anymore, his petulant attitude just gets more annoying.

 

[the_cliff]

Ronnie gets critized for his performances and petulant attitude which he's always had. Ronnie has always been about himself, not the club. Now that he's not the best in the world anymore, his petulant attitude just gets more annoying.

Average player with a superstar ego on a superstar wage. That's what he's become.

 

[SonyaCross493]

The shit Ronaldo is getting is absurd.

He won more champions league than our club did in 60 years. So what if he got mad beeing subbed. People need to understand hes mentalty has allways been like that. No need for this drama. Ronaldo is done with it now so is Ralf.

Hes goals pretty much sent us to next stage in CL and yesterday we played good. With Ronaldo on the field and without him.

He will probably go score against West Ham as a result of this.

I really hope so.. It's the only way to shut up and shut down the drama and criticism now from the media stoking the fire and fans falling for it like sheep is with Ronaldo getting on the scoresheet scoring a goal against West Ham at the weekend (hence why he was so frustrated at getting substituted as he would have probably scored a goal against Brentford when they was chasing the game and it would have changed the narrative completely from negativity around Ronaldo to positivity.. as he knows the criticism and shite from the media and fans that was coming his way after the match after not scoring a goal as rightly or wrongly he's judged in a different way to most players despite being almost 37 years old and only costing just £13 million much less than Sancho and Varane)

otherwise if Ronny doesn't score a goal against West Ham the drama and negative shite from the media stoking the fire and fans believing it like sheep will linger on for 2 whole weeks before United play another match (the FA Cup which Ronny might be rested for anyway against Middlesborough). The vultures are circling and can't wait to kick Ronny when he's down.. the club and his teammates need a siege mentality to rally round to support the player. Like Sir Alex would have and did. As they seen the bigger picture which right now is Top 4 and the Champions League which we don't achieve those things without Ronaldo happy and scoring goals and anyone who thinks otherwise is naive. He's not just another player. He's special and hence needs special treatment in how you manage him because of how the media and fans judge him is different to other players. Rangnick will learn that quickly. And yes that might mean you have to pander to Ronaldo at times (like Ole had to with a much less talented and less important player in Rashford with Ole apologising before a press conference as Rashford and his management team wasn't happy with Ole suggesting Rashford focus on his football) but if the team is successful (which is Top 4 this season and going deep in the CL and FA Cup) it's worth it in the end.

 

[Strelok]

Average player with a superstar ego on a superstar wage. That's what he's become.

Spot on.

 

[Gehrman]

I really hope so.. It's the only way to shut up and shut down the drama and criticism now from the media and fans is with Ronaldo scoring a goal against West Ham at the weekend (hence why he was so frustrated at getting substituted as he would have probably scored a goal and it would have changed the narrative.. as he knows the criticism and shite from the media and fans that was coming his way after the match after not scoring a goal as rightly or wrongly he's judged in a different way to most players despite being almost 37 years old and only costing £13 million much less than Sancho and Varane)

otherwise it will linger on for 2 whole weeks before United play another match. The vultures are circling and can't wait to kick Ronny when he's down..

He's on the highest wages in the league. And just had a public interview about mentality. After which he throws a temper tantrum because he's subbed. I don't know which narrative you are talking about at this point. To me it seems all about Ronaldo FC, but he's way past his prime Ronaldo.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

Yep, intimidation tactics. It's 2-0 up against Brentford, clear "how dare you sub me?" when it's clearly a rational decision to rest the oldest player in the team when the game is over. There's more to football that stat padding for your own benefit.



Why? We're a team with bad team spirit and he's just having his own personal strop, it's not a good look. It looked like Rangnick gave him a talking to after the Rashford goal, that's why you're taken off. No wonder our attack doesn't combine well together at all, they probably hate each other and this doesn't help.

Because he wants to win. He might be angry but he knows goals win games and actually looks like he cares, rather than just sat their, resigned to coming off. Want some actual fire in the players.

 

[Mac1997]

Average player with a superstar ego on a superstar wage. That's what he's become.

What absolute rubbish!

Did you actually watch the game?

We created absolutely nothing for him at all other than the header at the back post which was only a half chance at best.

He still made the runs, we never found him once, it must have been hugely frustrating and there isn't another goal scorer in the world that wouldn't have felt that frustration.

He came back into midfield and made more than a few tackles to help the team. He tried to create for others.

It was actually a good performance from him, he shouldn't have been taken off and was rightly upset. While we scored after he came off we really struggled to control the game after he was subbed. He also showed real leadership after the second goal gathering the players and telling them that they needed to see out the game.

He is still an absolute superstar and far and away our best player.

 

[Righteous Steps]

I dunno. Some People have short memories (look at the over the top criticism Ronaldo gets on this forum there's no respect for a United Legend and what he's done for the club in the past from United fans) don't they and tend to focus on players last moments rather than seeing the career as a whole in perspective.

United fans instead of calling for him to retire and a disgrace etc they could be more respectful and say it hasn't worked out (for whatever reason) but he's a United Legend still and deserves to leave with his legacy intact out the front door with his head held high and wish him well in his future endeavours. They don't need to be so disrespectful to a United Legend. Especially one that turned down City to comeback. That could cost City winning the Champions League this season.

Thats laughable Ronaldo would find it hard to start for City, I would say Sterling would be preferred over him in that position as it is.

 

[Bestietom]

Ronnie has a public interview about mentality. Throws a hissy fit when subbed. Leader my ass.

Yes, Why does Rangnick have to explain to HIM why he was taken off. Really showed the world what he is like now.
He WAS great but no longer the player he used to be.

 

[the_cliff]

Because he wants to win. He might be angry but he knows goals win games and actually looks like he cares, rather than just sat their, resigned to coming off. Want some actual fire in the players.

So Ronaldo should expect to stay on the pitch for 90 mins every game no matter what level of shit performance he's putting in just because there's a chance he may score ?

 

[Gehrman]

Because he wants to win. He might be angry but he knows goals win games and actually looks like he cares, rather than just sat their, resigned to coming off. Want some actual fire in the players.

I do actually think the other players want to win as well.