[Deery]

Yes, he's also scored 2 penalties which makes it worse. He has a 9.8 expected goals but 6 open play goals. Penalties are not included as far as I remember.

Also compared to the other attackers check the 'big chances created', you have to go to the bottom of the 5th page to find Ronaldo.

So by your logic Mohammad Salah is underperforming too as he has scored two penalties as well putting him under his expected goals ratio?

 

[ThierryHenry14]

Of course it could be other factors (as well). But having Ronaldo in the team will lead to other potentially high scoring players scoring...less. Look at Dybala at Juventus for an obvious example.

This isn't a problem in itself. It certainly wasn't a problem for Real Madrid that Ronaldo's presence meant less goals for the likes of Benzema.

But that was prime and close-to-prime Ronaldo.

The question isn't who gets the goals - but rather what Ronaldo brings to the table ultimately. In short, focusing on his goals - and nothing but that - isn't what we should be doing.

Juventus scored more goals in total the season before Ronaldo arrived than in any of his three seasons at the club. That too isn't something you can simply take as proof that he isn't worth having around - of course not - but it's a, let's say, good starting point for a discussion about what sort of player he has turned into as he now nears the end of his career.

Ronaldo left Juventus so i assume Juventus is much better this season?

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

That is a bad logic.

Arsenal won't have extra 20 goals, Ronaldo would mostly score the goals that Saka,Rowe and Martinelli are scoring, so instead of those 3 player having 18 goals between them, they would have like 5 goals at best together, and Cristiano something like 12 or so, as Arsenal will play "pass the ball to ancient Ronaldo at all cost" so he can score a tap-in and make his legacy bigger.
Then you would be complaining about how Rowe, Saka and Martinelli are shit, and ancient Ronaldo is the saviour of Arsenal that should never be benched, because without his goals Arsenal would be in the mid table.

It’s bad logic alright and it’s amazing how much it’s used, there are only so many goals to go around. It’s the same logic that sees pundits throw out lazily that City need a striker even when they’re scoring 4 or 5 a game. If Ronaldo was there instead, they wouldn’t start scoring 7 a game, it would just mean that Foden and Mahrez’s 10 goals a season would become 3 or 4 as Ronaldo sucked up the team goals - while disrupting their hard pressing and general fluid play at the same time. Ie he wouldn’t be worth it for them at all.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Ronaldo left Juventus so i assume Juventus is much better this season?

This argument is just as flawed as the opposite one, viz. that Ronaldo is the only reason United struggle this season. Neither Juventus nor United are/were perfectly balanced teams - with or without Ronaldo.

What some people argue is that while prime Ronaldo was, undoubtedly, an exceptional attacker and goal scorer whose strengths easily compensated for his weaknesses, this isn't necessarily the case anymore. The fact that Juventus are having a shite season doesn't amount to a counter argument to this - nor does the fact that Ronaldo is United's top scorer this season and/or that he has scored important goals for us in individual games.

 

[Marwood]

Of course it could be other factors (as well). But having Ronaldo in the team will lead to other potentially high scoring players scoring...less. Look at Dybala at Juventus for an obvious example.

This isn't a problem in itself. It certainly wasn't a problem for Real Madrid that Ronaldo's presence meant less goals for the likes of Benzema.

But that was prime and close-to-prime Ronaldo.

The question isn't who gets the goals - but rather what Ronaldo brings to the table ultimately. In short, focusing on his goals - and nothing but that - isn't what we should be doing.

Juventus scored more goals in total the season before Ronaldo arrived than in any of his three seasons at the club. That too isn't something you can simply take as proof that he isn't worth having around - of course not - but it's a, let's say, good starting point for a discussion about what sort of player he has turned into as he now nears the end of his career.

I take your point. The poster I put that question to has though determined Ronaldo is the exclusive cause of others losing form. Which I find amazing.

I tend to think if a player is underperforming it has something to do with that player. Or numerous other factors.

Ronaldo might overall be less useful than a different player but there's a lot of nonsense being spouted here.

Bruno, Rashford and plenty of others were struggling badly throughout the second half of last season.

Any striker playing with this current team behind him will find it hard. A different striker might help that struggling team more but it would still be a struggle.

 

[He'sRaldo]

Don't know who we're kidding, he's clearly a scapegoat.

Last season when the box was empty unless Cavani was playing, the story was "all we need is a pure striker to challenge". Harry Kane (who's been shite this season btw) was meant to be the answer. Now we have a striker who can stay fit and is scoring goals, and the story is he's holding back our forwards AND our mids AND our defenders. Meanwhile in seasons past our forwards were allergic to the box, our midfield still struggled with passing, and our defence still leaked goals.

We've improved so much with the absence of previous scapegoats Pogba, Martial, Lindelof, etc. at this point I'm sure both his detractors and his fans would love him to be on the bench for an extended period, so we can see this guaranteed improvement that dropping him will bring.

 

[Relevated]

Its really embarrassing that some players are even in the same team as him. He shouldn't have returned because all his colleagues have done is lower the high standard he has set himself.

 

[the_cliff]

So by your logic Mohammad Salah is underperforming too as he has scored two penalties as well putting him under his expected goals ratio?

Well yes, in terms of scoring goals. He should have more. However lets not kid ourselves and compare Salah and Ronaldo, the problem with Ronaldo is that his goal scoring is the Only thing he offers. Salah offers much more.

I was arguing the fact that people in here are defending Ronaldo because of his goal scoring and it's worth sacrificing other aspects of our game because his goal scoring is extra ordinary. No it's not, it's bang average. 2nd most shots in the league per 90 but only 6 open play goals. The worst goal conversion % of the top 20 goal scorers in the league.

Maybe for you that's worth sacrificing link up play, chance creation, and having the cf with the least presses per 90 and that's your opinion but for me those numbers aren't worth that. If he was the player he was at Madrid and banging them in for fun I wouldn't mind if he stood next to the corner flag and took a piss every 5 mins. But the player he is now is not worth the sacrifice.

 

[The United]

We battered Leeds 5-1 without Ronaldo, we had enough chances to beat Southampton without Ronaldo, Wolves away yes we were lucky, so that's the 3 games before Ronaldo arrived

Never ceases to amaze me how people use the argument you have like without Ronaldo we'd of played with 10 men so we should be grateful for him without stopping to consider how much better a performance we may have put in with someone other than Ronaldo in his place meaning we may not have needed his late goals to bail us out of trouble

Fact is Ronaldo's goals to game ratio that is peddled out looks as good as it is due to a few doubles he's got in games. If you actually analyse it Ronaldo's probably played in more games that he hasn't scored in than those he has. That being said he's probably matched what I expected goal scoring wise, what I didn't expect was how he struggles to just pass the ball and constantly kills our attacks (and no he hasn't been alone in this but then it's Ronaldo so you expect more)

Regarding to our form this season, let's not pretend like we were not all concerned with what we saw on those two games against Southampton and Wolves, and what we expected from the team this season. Many issues in those games are still occurring in almost every game this season.

Except for the game against Leeds, almost every players started losing forms badly after that for some reasons. Ronaldo needs to be managed better, no doubt about that. But, the forms of the likes of Sancho and the back line in general had little to do with Ronaldo. The only players that can be said to be playing close to their standards this season in general with or without Ronaldo have been David Gea and Greenwood.

Something went horribly wrong with the squad this season. From the very start after Leeds game.

 

[Deery]

Well yes, in terms of scoring goals. He should have more. However lets not kid ourselves and compare Salah and Ronaldo, the problem with Ronaldo is that his goal scoring is the Only thing he offers. Salah offers much more.

I was arguing the fact that people in here are defending Ronaldo because of his goal scoring and it's worth sacrificing other aspects of our game because his goal scoring is extra ordinary. No it's not, it's bang average. 2nd most shots in the league per 90 but only 6 open play goals. The worst goal conversion % of the top 20 goal scorers in the league.

Maybe for you that's worth sacrificing link up play, chance creation, and having the cf with the least presses per 90 and that's your opinion but for me those numbers aren't worth that. If he was the player he was at Madrid and banging them in for fun I wouldn't mind if he stood next to the corner flag and took a piss every 5 mins. But the player he is now is not worth the sacrifice.

Aren’t Liverpool creating a lot more bigger chances for their forwards than United 57 to 33?

So Ronaldo probably has had nearly half the bigger chances to score compared to Salah, and Salah hasn’t had to deal with a manager change at the same time.

 

[diawl_coch]

Aren’t Liverpool creating a lot more bigger chances for their forwards than United 57 to 33?

So Ronaldo probably has had nearly half the bigger chances to score compared to Salah, and Salah hasn’t had to deal with a manager change at the same time.

Comparing the devastating power of prime Salah to a tired old pro who's basically a goal-hanger is a bit rich.

 

[the_cliff]

Aren’t Liverpool creating a lot more bigger chances for their forwards than United 57 to 33?

So Ronaldo probably has had nearly half the bigger chances to score compared to Salah, and Salah hasn’t had to deal with a manager change at the same time.

Yes, that's what falls into the xG category. Hence why Ronaldo is still underperforming in scoring goals compared to the chances he's receiving and hence why Salah has a higher xG.

Do you honestly want to turn this into a Salah and Ronaldo argument ? ok let's do it.

Mo Salah has created 12 big chances Ronaldo has created 3.
Mo Salah has 2.1 key passes per match, Ronaldo has 0.8.
Mo Salah has 9 assists Ronaldo has 3.
Mo Salah has won possession 38 times, Ronaldo 20 times.
Mo Salah completes 1.9 successful dribbles per game, Ronaldo 0.8.
Mo Salah has 157 final 3rd pressures, Ronaldo has 42.
Mo Salah has 274 total presses, Ronaldo has 93.
Mo Salah has scored 16 goals from an xG of 14.5, 14 non penalty goals. Ronaldo has scored 8 from an xG of 9.8, 6 non penalty goals.
Mo Salah has a goal conversion percentage of 27%, Ronaldo 19% and a shot accuracy of 64%, Ronaldo has 50%.

So in conclusion Ronaldo isn't as good a finisher as Salah in fact he isn't as good a finisher as Emmanuel Dennis, Diego Jota, Jamie Vardy, Michael Antonio, Raphinha, Son,Neil Maupey and Emile Smith Rowe this season either and doesn't contribute half as much in most other aspects of play.

I could do a whole post on just xG and the attackers that have a better goal to xG percentage than Ronaldo, you'd be shocked at how many players have been better finishers this season than Ronaldo. Considering finishing is the Only reason why Ronaldo starts for us it's mind blowing that people are even defending him.

So why exactly are we sacrificing all the other stats and all other aspects of our play for him ? he doesn't press, doesn't link up play particularly well, doesn't dribble. Yet, people on here believe he's world class and carrying us ?

 

[glazed]

Do you honestly want to turn this into a Salah and Ronaldo argument ? ok let's do it.

Pretty ruthless expose of what I suspected. He's not THE problem on his own but he's certainly a part of it.

 

[Vidyoyo]

Don't know who we're kidding, he's clearly a scapegoat.

I think you mean a scapeGOAT

 

[mu4c_20le]

I'm with the Pleb on this one.

 

[Deery]

Yes, that's what falls into the xG category. Hence why Ronaldo is still underperforming in scoring goals compared to the chances he's receiving and hence why Salah has a higher xG.

Do you honestly want to turn this into a Salah and Ronaldo argument ? ok let's do it.

Mo Salah has created 12 big chances Ronaldo has created 3.
Mo Salah has 2.1 key passes per match, Ronaldo has 0.8.
Mo Salah has 9 assists Ronaldo has 3.
Mo Salah has won possession 38 times, Ronaldo 20 times.
Mo Salah completes 1.9 successful dribbles per game, Ronaldo 0.8.
Mo Salah has 157 final 3rd pressures, Ronaldo has 42.
Mo Salah has 274 total presses, Ronaldo has 93.
Mo Salah has scored 16 goals from an xG of 14.5, 14 non penalty goals. Ronaldo has scored 8 from an xG of 9.8, 6 non penalty goals.
Mo Salah has a goal conversion percentage of 27%, Ronaldo 19% and a shot accuracy of 64%, Ronaldo has 50%.

So in conclusion Ronaldo isn't as good a finisher as Salah in fact he isn't as good a finisher as Emmanuel Dennis, Diego Jota, Jamie Vardy, Michael Antonio, Raphinha, Son,Neil Maupey and Emile Smith Rowe this season either and doesn't contribute half as much in most other aspects of play.

I could do a whole post on just xG and the attackers that have a better goal to xG percentage than Ronaldo, you'd be shocked at how many players have been better finishers this season than Ronaldo. Considering finishing is the Only reason why Ronaldo starts for us it's mind blowing that people are even defending him.

So why exactly are we sacrificing all the other stats and all other aspects of our play for him ? he doesn't press, doesn't link up play particularly well, doesn't dribble. Yet, people on here believe he's world class and carrying us ?

You totally deflected the question well done, Liverpool are creating more big chances for Salah to score than United have for Ronaldo, true?

Hence Ronaldo doesn’t have as high of a goals scored as other strikers because he isn’t getting big chances, chances yes. Big chances no.

So in a performing team you’d expect Ronaldo’s output to be much higher, yes?

 

[RUCK4444]

I'm with the Pleb on this one.

Absolutely and it should painfully obvious to everybody.

We can't even maintain possession or create chances against relegation fodder ffs. Can't play simple 5 yard passes. Yet were whining about having one of the GOATs at the top end of the pitch. When were serving him chance after chance and he's missing them all that's when I'll start looking at him, let's try creating some chances for him first!

It's not like ANY of the team have a remote interest in pressing before anybody claims he doesn't press.

 

[troylocker]

So how do you explain his league goals drying right up second half of last season?

How many goals has he scored since Ronaldo’s honeymoon match against Newcastle this season (His fourth in as many matches)? Is it more than he scored in the 3 matches before that or the second half of last season?
….or has his goals been drying up further with the arrival of Ronaldo?

Bruno has scored 1 single goal since that Newcastle game and has been running double shifts and tried to cover for the old man ever since….
Bruno before and after Ronaldo is two different players.

 

[United in sin]

Without him we would be out of CL. Without him we would also be around top 8-10 in PL. People forget how atrocious we were in the games before Ronaldo. I agree he should not play every game, but blaming Ronaldo for our shortcomings is bizarre.

I don't care about his goals if his presence is having such a negative impact on the club. We can't build our team around a 37 year old Target man whos useless outside the box and needs to play 90 minutes of evey game. I'd rather get rid and play Greenwood at 9

 

[the_cliff]

You totally deflected the question well done, Liverpool are creating more big chances for Salah to score than United have for Ronaldo, true?

Hence Ronaldo doesn’t have as high of a goals scored as other strikers because he is getting big chances, chances yes. Big chances no.

So in a performing team you’d expect Ronaldo’s output to be much higher, yes?

No I didn't deflect the question, you aren't understanding what xG is. The reason why Salah has a higher xG than Ronaldo is because of the team he's playing for and because Liverpool create more chances. Ronaldo is still underperforming xG regardless of the team he's in.

Let me put it in another way to make you understand better. Let's compare him with Emannuel Dennis.

Emannuel Dennis has 8 goals from an xG of 3.4, Ronaldo has 8 from an xG of 9.8. The reason why Emannuel Dennis has an xG of 3.4 is because Watford aren't as good as United and don't create as many chances as United do. do you understand now ?

Greenwood for example has an xG of 2.5 but has scored 4 goals.

Expected goals (or xG) measures the quality of a chance by calculating the likelihood that it will be scored from a particular position on the pitch during a particular phase of play.

So I will repeat what I said above:

Ronaldo isn't as good a finisher as Salah in fact he isn't as good a finisher as Emmanuel Dennis, Diego Jota, Jamie Vardy, Michael Antonio, Raphinha, Son,Neil Maupey and Emile Smith Rowe this season either and doesn't contribute half as much in most other aspects of play.

I could do a whole post on just xG and the attackers that have a better goal to xG percentage than Ronaldo, you'd be shocked at how many players have been better finishers this season than Ronaldo. Considering finishing is the Only reason why Ronaldo starts for us it's mind blowing that people are even defending him.

 

[Deery]

I'm with the Pleb on this one.

Basically how I feel too, there are too many things going on to be using absolutes when it comes to Ronaldo..

 

[Guapa]

It was fun at first in the warmth of the tail end of summer but the last few games in the depths of a depressing winter with no hope of a trophy (again)it looks like What it is.A failed experiment.What has to be done eventually should be done immediately.Looks like one of RR's favorites though so don't expect anything until the summer.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Ronaldo has really ruined us. We played better last season.

 

[Deery]

No I didn't deflect the question, you aren't understanding what xG is. The reason why Salah has a higher xG than Ronaldo is because of the team he's playing for and because Liverpool create more chances. Ronaldo is still underperforming xG regardless of the team he's in.

Let me put it in another way to make you understand better. Let's compare him with Emannuel Dennis.

Emannuel Dennis has 8 goals from an xG of 3.4, Ronaldo has 8 from an xG of 9.8. The reason why Emannuel Dennis has an xG of 3.4 is because Watford aren't as good as United and don't create as many chances as United do. do you understand now ?

Greenwood for example has an xG of 2.5 but has scored 4 goals.

Expected goals (or xG) measures the quality of a chance by calculating the likelihood that it will be scored from a particular position on the pitch during a particular phase of play.

So I will repeat what I said above:

Ronaldo isn't as good a finisher as Salah in fact he isn't as good a finisher as Emmanuel Dennis, Diego Jota, Jamie Vardy, Michael Antonio, Raphinha, Son,Neil Maupey and Emile Smith Rowe this season either and doesn't contribute half as much in most other aspects of play.

I could do a whole post on just xG and the attackers that have a better goal to xG percentage than Ronaldo, you'd be shocked at how many players have been better finishers this season than Ronaldo. Considering finishing is the Only reason why Ronaldo starts for us it's mind blowing that people are even defending him.

Here’s one for you, let’s compare him with Aubameyang, Kane, Lukaku, Jesus, instead of picking one striker that’s playing out of his boots as we see one do every year and will in most likelihood drop off before the end of the season or next season.

 

[Idxomer]

I don't care about his goals if his presence is having such a negative impact on the club. We can't build our team around a 37 year old Target man whos useless outside the box and needs to play 90 minutes of evey game. I'd rather get rid and play Greenwood at 9

I wish he was a target man.

 

[United in sin]

I wish he was a target man.

I know, he doesn't have the skillset for it but that's how he wishes to play, as this 'hybrid' poacher/target man that has no place here

 

[troylocker]

You totally deflected the question well done, Liverpool are creating more big chances for Salah to score than United have for Ronaldo, true?

Hence Ronaldo doesn’t have as high of a goals scored as other strikers because he isn’t getting big chances, chances yes. Big chances no.

So in a performing team you’d expect Ronaldo’s output to be much higher, yes?

Oh, lord! You don’t understand the concept of goals vs. NpxG/xG do you?

The numbers tells us that Mr. Ronaldo gets away the 2nd most shots in the league behind Salah. His npxG/nxpG90 tells us that the quality of service he gets and makes himself available for is the 3rd highest in the league. Yet he is shared 10th in the non-penalty goals topscorer list with 5 other players. His finishing has with a couple of exceptions been absolutely horrible.
A player like Cornet at Burnley has the same amount of non-penalty goals in 17 shots total this season as Ronaldo has in 58 for crying out loud.

 

[the_cliff]

Here’s one for you, let’s compare him with Aubameyang, Kane, Lukaku, Jesus, instead of picking one striker that’s playing out of his boots as we see one do every year and will in most likelihood drop off before the end of the season or next season.

It's funny that you're in such denial that you want to compare him with a striker so terrible he got dropped, one that has made it public he wanted to leave and has downed tools, a striker that has been injured the majority of the season and has also recently come out saying he wants to go back to his old club and a striker so notorious for being a poor finisher that he was converted to a rw this season.

But comparing him to Emannuel Dennis a striker for Watford is a step too far for the player carrying big Manchester United ?

Is that the company Ronaldo is keeping ?

The main reason why I compared him to Emannuel Dennis is that not only has Dennis been a better finisher than Ronaldo this season, he's outperformed him on every other metric as well just like Salah and he plays for Watford, you were saying the reason why Salah was better was because of his team.

 

[troylocker]

It's funny that you're in such denial that you want to compare him with a striker so terrible he got dropped, one that has made it public he wanted to leave and has downed tools, a striker that has been injured the majority of the season and has also recently come out saying he wants to go back to his old club and a striker so notorious for being a poor finisher that he was converted to a rw this season.

The main reason why I compared him to Emannuel Dennis is that not only has Dennis been a better finisher than Ronaldo this season, he's outperformed him on every other metric as well just like Salah and he plays for Watford, you were saying the reason why Salah was better was because of his team.

But comparing him to Emannuel Dennis a striker for Watford is a step too far for the player carrying big Manchester United ?

Is that the company Ronaldo is keeping ?

And of course: None of them has received close to the similar service

 

[Deery]

Oh, lord! You don’t understand the concept of goals vs. NpxG/xG do you?

The numbers tells us that Mr. Ronaldo gets away the 2nd most shots in the league behind Salah. His npxG/nxpG90 tells us that the quality of service he gets and makes himself available for is the 3rd highest in the league. Yet he is shared 10th in the non-penalty goals topscorer list with 5 other players. His finishing has with a couple of exceptions been absolutely horrible.
A player like Cornet at Burnley has the same amount of non-penalty goals in 17 shots total this season as Ronaldo has in 58 for crying out loud.

I don’t think you understand XG and big chances created, tbh, big chances not the same as shot on goal.

And I’ve been through this with you before but you choose to take some condescending stance instead of seeing what’s clearly infront of your face.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Lukaku's finishing stats are easily better than Ronaldo's this season - again, in the league (can't be arsed to look up all comps - and we know Ronaldo's stats are much better in the CL).

He's outperformed his xG for one thing. His goals per shots on target stats are also vastly better than Ronaldo's.

As for the others, Kane is having an absolute stinker of a season, everyone knows this (and everyone presumably agrees he's performing way below his actual level). Auba and Ronaldo are roughly comparable from what I can see. Jesus is neither here nor there as he simply doesn't perform a similar function in the team at all (his main contribution has been assists - where his numbers are good).

 

[ThierryHenry14]

Just bench him or force him to leave and start Greenwood as striker from now on. Problem solved. Boo him every time he touches the ball from now on.

 

[Deery]

It's funny that you're in such denial that you want to compare him with a striker so terrible he got dropped, one that has made it public he wanted to leave and has downed tools, a striker that has been injured the majority of the season and has also recently come out saying he wants to go back to his old club and a striker so notorious for being a poor finisher that he was converted to a rw this season.

But comparing him to Emannuel Dennis a striker for Watford is a step too far for the player carrying big Manchester United ?

Is that the company Ronaldo is keeping ?

The main reason why I compared him to Emannuel Dennis is that not only has Dennis been a better finisher than Ronaldo this season, he's outperformed him on every other metric as well just like Salah and he plays for Watford, you were saying the reason why Salah was better was because of his team.

So he’s out performing the 4 strikers I named playing in one of the other top 6 clubs in the country but it’s irrelevant because they are poor in your words.

One a £100m signing
One on £350k a week
Another a potential £100m signing
And the other is playing for the team that won the league last season and 10 points clear.

It’s no doubt that Dennis is playing well as was Pukki when he first played in the premier league but like lots of others it was short lived and not something I would hang my hat on just yet.

But even in his scintillating form Ronaldo is still joint 4th along with him on 8 goals.

 

[Paxi]

I’m going to go out on the limb and put forward that a 37 year old that averages a goal a game is very good. Holy feck, a goal a game!! You cnuts!!

 

[the_cliff]

So he’s out performing the 4 strikers I named playing in one of the other top 6 clubs in the country but it’s irrelevant because they are poor in your words.

One a £100m signing
One on £350k a week
Another a potential £100m signing
And the other is playing for the team that won the league last season and 10 points clear.

It’s no doubt that Dennis is playing well as was Pukki when he first played in the premier league but like lots of others it was short lived and not something I would hang my hat on just yet.

But even in his scintillating form Ronaldo is still joint 4th along with him on 8 goals.

Actually no, despite Lukaku being injured half the season, wanting to go back to Inter and Ronaldo playing nearly 400 more minutes. Lukaku has a non penalty xG of 3.7 and has scored 5 non penalty goals. Ronaldo has a non penalty xG of 8.4 and scored 6.

Aubameyang has a non penalty xG of 4.1 and scored 4. He's also been dropped so it's not really a good comparison, comparing Ronaldo to a striker that has been a better finisher so far this season but deemed so poor by Arsenal that they dropped him is not a good look.

Jesus is a rw primarily so I won't include him.

The only player Ronaldo beats in terms of non penalty xG to non penalty goals is Kane who has 6.9 non penalty xG with 3 non penalty goals.

 

[troylocker]

I don’t think you understand XG and big chances created, tbh, big chances not the same as shot on goal.

And I’ve been through this with you before but you choose to take some condescending stance instead of seeing what’s clearly infront of your face.

Oh, I know xG, don’t you worry about that. Your latest comments here though suggests you don’t. What is the xG for a 2 yard tap in into an open goal vs. let’s say McTom’s goal a week ago? How do you think xG is accumulated?

Let me put it in an even clearer way for you through the example from my last post: Cornet vs. Ronaldo
Shots:
Ronaldo - 58
Cornet -17

xG per shot:
Ronaldo - 0,145
Cornet - 0,095

Total accumulated non penalty expected goals:
Ronaldo - 8,40
Cornet - 1,62

They have both scored 6 non penalty goals this season. Now 2 simple questions:

Who’s gotten the most service and biggest chances of the two?
Who’s been the better finisher between the two?
Cornets case this season is obviously extreme, but the conclusion is the same if you compare Ronaldo to any half decent out there. It’s not the lacking service…

 

[Mainoldo]

You totally deflected the question well done, Liverpool are creating more big chances for Salah to score than United have for Ronaldo, true?

Hence Ronaldo doesn’t have as high of a goals scored as other strikers because he isn’t getting big chances, chances yes. Big chances no.

So in a performing team you’d expect Ronaldo’s output to be much higher, yes?

Lets be honest mate Ronaldo ain’t getting in that Liverpool starting 11. Just stop it.

 

[Deery]

Oh, I know xG, don’t you worry about that. Your latest comments here though suggests you don’t. What is the xG for a 2 yard tap in into an open goal vs. let’s say McTom’s goal a week ago? How do you think xG is accumulated?

Let me put it in an even clearer way for you through the example from my last post: Cornet vs. Ronaldo
Shots:
Ronaldo - 58
Cornet -17

xG per shot:
Ronaldo - 0,145
Cornet - 0,095

Total accumulated non penalty expected goals:
Ronaldo - 8,40
Cornet - 1,62

They have both scored 6 non penalty goals this season. Now 2 simple questions:

Who’s gotten the most service and biggest chances of the two?
Who’s been the better finisher between the two?
Cornets case this season is obviously extreme, but the conclusion is the same if you compare Ronaldo to any half decent out there. It’s not the lacking service…

So you want Cornet playing for us then yeah just goes to show how flawed the XG marker really is.

I suppose you add this same logic to Messi as well who’s XG is 4.62 for PSG, well I know now I’d sure love Cornet over Ronaldo or Messi…

 

[Deery]

Lets be honest mate Ronaldo ain’t getting in that Liverpool starting 11. Just stop it.

Doesn’t have to get in the Liverpool team we just need to start playing better as a team and creating more big chances then if Ronaldo is playing badly or fluffing his lines fair enough.

 

[matherto]

Well yes, in terms of scoring goals. He should have more. However lets not kid ourselves and compare Salah and Ronaldo, the problem with Ronaldo is that his goal scoring is the Only thing he offers. Salah offers much more.

I must admit I don't watch Liverpool that often and when I do, Salah normally scores so it clouds it but what exactly does he offer, let alone much more?

He doesn't pass much to the other players, this season that works but last season they lost the plot at him numerous times, Mane a lot of the time had a face like thunder cause Salah wouldn't pass. How many assists does he get? How many does he have this season when he's on fire?

Does he press? I don't think he really does.

He does offer more than Ronaldo at this moment in their careers but much more? Not really.