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MJJ said:
Laugh all you want but it took the ICC six years to find out that EVERY single delivery he balls is illegal? Joke of a ruling.
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I'm sure it's a conspiracy.
 
MJJ said:
Laugh all you want but it took the ICC six years to find out that EVERY single delivery he balls is illegal? Joke of a ruling.
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Pakistan is a pretty crap team. No one cares that much about one player there.

Or about one player in any team, really.
 
MJJ said:
So the big 3 comes into power, ajmal gets banned right before the worldcup and ICC ignores his medical reports as well :lol:
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Tell me you are not serious. I too hate the bullying of BCCI but I doubt Ajmal getting banned has anything to do with world cup or the big 3 power show. As important as he is for Pakistan, Pakistan are hardly a serious challenger for world cup on paper. It is always sad to see good players get banned for such reasons but if he is violating rules then there will be action. Let's see if he gets any leniency because of medical reports.


Also, 5-0 at world cups :cool:
 
zing said:
Pakistan is a pretty crap team. No one cares that much about one player there.

Or about one player in any team, really.
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Pakistan are like West Indies for me. They are the most entertaining team to watch in tournaments with the most mercurial players. On their day, unstoppable. On another day, could lose to the 5th XI old age pensioners team. There is no denying that they will have talent lurking somewhere, the next fastest bowler or spin legend but it seems the team suffers from politics and selection issues.

Such a shame we are missing out on Amir and Ajmal in the world cup if this is true tho. I have never seen such a young bowler be so prolific when Amir hit the scene as a 17 year old. He came to England and swung the ball both ways at 90mph+ as a 18 year old. He could have broken all the bowling records for a fast bowler.
 
The Man Himself said:
Tell me you are not serious. I too hate the bullying of BCCI but I doubt Ajmal getting banned has anything to do with world cup or the big 3 power show. As important as he is for Pakistan, Pakistan are hardly a serious challenger for world cup on paper. It is always sad to see good players get banned for such reasons but if he is violating rules then there will be action. Let's see if he gets any leniency because of medical reports.


Also, 5-0 at world cups :cool:
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9-0 if you consider T20 world cups also :devil:
 
Ajmal passing a test a few years back and failing one now, does it not question the standard of the tests conducted earlier, and those who were suspected of having illegal actions but passed those tests (Murali)?
 
Murali was something of an exception I think. He could bowl all his variations even with a brace on
 
The Man Himself said:
Tell me you are not serious. I too hate the bullying of BCCI but I doubt Ajmal getting banned has anything to do with world cup or the big 3 power show. As important as he is for Pakistan, Pakistan are hardly a serious challenger for world cup on paper. It is always sad to see good players get banned for such reasons but if he is violating rules then there will be action. Let's see if he gets any leniency because of medical reports.


Also, 5-0 at world cups :cool:
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Its not like Ajmal is the only one who's been banned by the authorities. Shillingford, Samuels, Senayaneke, Williamson, Gazi have all been banned.
 
The Man Himself said:
Tell me you are not serious. I too hate the bullying of BCCI but I doubt Ajmal getting banned has anything to do with world cup or the big 3 power show. As important as he is for Pakistan, Pakistan are hardly a serious challenger for world cup on paper. It is always sad to see good players get banned for such reasons but if he is violating rules then there will be action. Let's see if he gets any leniency because of medical reports.


Also, 5-0 at world cups :cool:
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Yeah its totally weird to expect that an organization who stills has a stupidly retarded stance on DRS due to stubborness and pride and whose supporters recently booed an english player due to the nationality of his parents might not be completely fair.

12-9(tests) and 72-50(ODI) overall. :cool:

Not bad for a crappy team, eh? @zing
 
KM said:
Its not like Ajmal is the only one who's been banned by the authorities. Shillingford, Samuels, Senayaneke, Williamson, Gazi have all been banned.
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Ya, I know. Can't see how it is a conspiracy.
MJJ said:
Yeah its totally weird to expect that an organization who stills has a stupidly retarded stance on DRS due to stubborness and pride and whose supporters recently booed an english player due to the nationality of his parents might not be completely fair.

12-9(tests) and 72-50(ODI) overall. :cool:

Not bad for a crappy team, eh? @zing
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You are being ridiculous now... Or worse, behaving like a Liverpool supporter. Most of us do blame BCCI for DRS stand, we didn't support booing of Moeen but how any of it is related to Ajmal's ban?
 
The Man Himself said:
Ya, I know. Can't see how it is a conspiracy.

You are being ridiculous now... Or worse, behaving like a Liverpool supporter. Most of us do blame BCCI for DRS stand, we didn't support booing of Moeen but how any of it is related to Ajmal's ban?
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It shows that BCCI isnt totally impartial? If his doosra was banned I would understand, but every single delivery he bowls is illegal? WTF was ICC doing for the past six years? The only variable that has changed over the last six years has been who controls ICC.

None of the players who have been banned play for the big 3 either, thats a shocker.
 
MJJ said:
It shows that BCCI isnt totally impartial? If his doosra was banned I would understand, but every single delivery he bowls is illegal? WTF was ICC doing for the past six years? The only variable that has changed over the last six years has been who controls ICC.

None of the players who have been banned play for the big 3 either, thats a shocker.
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Do you have any bowlers' names who are suspected for illegal action and are continuing to do so?
 
MJJ said:
Not really, I dont get to watch as much cricket as I used to. Am losing touch with it as all of my heroes retire. The new generation just doesnt have that same romanticism attached to it.
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So then you can't blame the big 3 of protecting their bowlers and being on witch hunt on others, right? See all the bowlers who have been suspected/banned, looking at their actions, they were suspect worthy. None of them has clean action. Ya Pakistan has been hit hardest because it is their best bowler who is getting affected. I am sure some way will be found and he will be available and surely in time for world cup.
Why ICC was not doing anything for last 6 years is different question. If he was continuing to bowl illegally and it was overlooked, doesn't mean it should be forever.

Ya, me too lost on romanticism bit. There isn't much attachment with current lot. Do follow some games in between though.
 
Cricket has potentially lost a great entertainer/artist in Ajmal. I'm not sure he can come back to his best if he asked to change his action at his age. It's a confusing and controversial decision to say the least. How can a player who has bowled all his career with the same action having had the eyes of cricketing experts and world on him be suddenly deemed illegal?
 
The Man Himself said:
So then you can't blame the big 3 of protecting their bowlers and being on witch hunt on others, right? See all the bowlers who have been suspected/banned, looking at their actions, they were suspect worthy. None of them has clean action. Ya Pakistan has been hit hardest because it is their best bowler who is getting affected. I am sure some way will be found and he will be available and surely in time for world cup.
Why ICC was not doing anything for last 6 years is different question. If he was continuing to bowl illegally and it was overlooked, doesn't mean it should be forever.

Ya, me too lost on romanticism bit. There isn't much attachment with current lot. Do follow some games in between though.
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Given that the governing body isnt impartial and that bowlers have only recently started getting banned and none of the bowlers banned belong to big 3 then yes I can blame the big 3. Again, it begs the question what exactly were the ICC doing over the last six years or more. Was their system that redundant?

I really dont buy that. This is why you cant have three countries being judge, jury and the executioner.

Seriously miss players like the two Ws, Akhtar, Inzi, Saeed Anwar, Sehwag, Ganguly, Laxman, Fleming, Klusener, Jonty Rhodes and Bevan(Best finisher ever). I follow most of pakistan matches on cricinfo,etc and watch a few but nothing like before.

I think the last two players I liked who have played recently were aamir and dhawan although both turn out to be a bit of a disappointment due to different reasons.
 
I can understand Pakistani fans getting into conspiracy theories to an extent. I remember when Sarfraz, Imran and Wasim started the art of reverse swinging they were accused of all sorts.
 
Sultan said:
I can understand Pakistani fans getting into conspiracy theories to an extent. I remember when Sarfraz, Imran and Wasim started the art of reverse swinging they were accused of all sorts.
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Ahh yes. Remember that, it wasnt until the english won an ashes with it that it was considered an art. Before that it was considered as ball tampering.
 
Sultan said:
I can understand Pakistani fans getting into conspiracy theories to an extent. I remember when Sarfraz, Imran and Wasim started the art of reverse swinging they were accused of all sorts.
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This is a bit different though.

Ajmal isn't the exception in the case or is the first one who's been ruled out. Five others have been banned under the same rules. They've changed the testing procedure.
 
Sultan said:
Cricket has potentially lost a great entertainer/artist in Ajmal. I'm not sure he can come back to his best if he asked to change his action at his age. It's a confusing and controversial decision to say the least. How can a player who has bowled all his career with the same action having had the eyes of cricketing experts and world on him be suddenly deemed illegal?
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Plenty of ex cricketers have been pointing out chucking by spinners for last 4-5 years. It has happened now since the campaign finally gained momentum with controversies surrounding spinners wearing full sleeved shirts.
 
Conspiracy theorist(ZOMG BIG 3 ARE AFTER HIM) should read this

Primarily, the ICC is unhappy with the biomechanics lab at the University of Western Australia in Perth, where bowlers with suspect actions have usually been sent for testing and correction. The ICC is not convinced that the lab's testing procedures are rigorous enough, at least to the standards they want. They are unhappy that not enough of the bowlers reported and then tested in recent years have been found to possess suspect actions.

So now they are taking greater control over the process, accrediting a number of other labs around the world where they can implement uniformity to the testing, to the standards they want. Not least of the issues to keep an eye on with this case will be where Ajmal goes for testing.

Perhaps it is no coincidence that the actions of Williamson and Senanayake were tested and confirmed to be illegal at a newly accredited facility, at the Cardiff Metropolitan University's School of Sport in Wales (Shillingford, and teammate Marlon Samuels, it is only fair to point out, were banned from bowling after tests in Perth).

But somebody has to report them first and had umpires not been emboldened to do so, none of this would be happening. At that ICC meeting, the committee recommended changes to specifically "encourage umpires and referees" to identify suspect actions.

That was followed by the words of the ICC's general manager, cricket, Geoff Allardice at the annual general meeting at the end of June. "There's enough bowlers with suspect actions that should be being scrutinized, that probably haven't been."

The message is clear. So is the bigger picture in which Ajmal finds himself. It is the details, however, that are not so straightforward. Ajmal was reported in 2009 as well, and was cleared to bowl again soon after. The ICC loves to insist no bowler is ever permanently cleared, but to many constituencies, Ajmal's action has never been quite right.
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Pretty sure everyone knew he was chucking anyway. It was pretty hard to miss even with the naked eye though not as obvious as someone like Senanayake who just decided to take the piss.
 
Skills said:
Pretty sure everyone knew he was chucking anyway. It was pretty hard to miss even with the naked eye though not as obvious as someone like Senanayake who just decided to take the piss.
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Exactly.

It was always whispered because of the fact he got cleared 6 years ago but every man and his dog knows he was very blatantly throwing the ball and only the most ardent Pakistani fan would argue he wasn't (whilst probably secretly knowing that he definitely was). He perhaps wasn't the worst offender (Senanayake) but he was definitely up there.

I suspect that he'll come back from this fairly easily though, he's always had a straightening in his action and that in itself isn't illegal but the ICC's laxness in addressing the issue until this year was always going to come back to haunt him as bowlers increasingly pushed the boundaries until they were pushed back against. He might never be as effective again, but that is to be expected as he will no longer be permitted to cheat.

I suspect Narine will be next and will have a few of his deliveries banned as well, from memory I think his offbreak is ok, but his leg spinner looks very suspect ( 40secs for a slow mo) wearable tech from next year will sort the problem out once and for all.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Exactly.

It was always whispered because of the fact he got cleared 6 years ago but every man and his dog knows he was very blatantly throwing the ball and only the most ardent Pakistani fan would argue he wasn't (whilst probably secretly knowing that he definitely was). He perhaps wasn't the worst offender (Senanayake) but he was definitely up there.

I suspect that he'll come back from this fairly easily though, he's always had a straightening in his action and that in itself isn't illegal but the ICC's laxness in addressing the issue until this year was always going to come back to haunt him as bowlers increasingly pushed the boundaries until they were pushed back against. He might never be as effective again, but that is to be expected as he will no longer be permitted to cheat.

I suspect Narine will be next and will have a few of his deliveries banned as well, from memory I think his offbreak is ok, but his leg spinner looks very suspect ( 40secs for a slow mo) wearable tech from next year will sort the problem out once and for all.
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Not sure if he bowls his regular leg spinner like that. That's a quicker ball and a clear chuck.
 


Jaysus.

He's not going to come back from that.
 
There needs to be some form of retesting of these new procedures or equipment used. If these prove to be correct then all previous testing procedures and equipment failed miserably.
 
This is a damning indictment of previous testing, if these new ones are accurate.

I'm not expert on the rules, but I've never thought the Doosra was a legitimate delivery. It's always looked 'wrong', even if some bowlers have kept within the limits when bowling it.
 
KM said:


Jaysus.

He's not going to come back from that.
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no wonder he started to pick up so any wickets fairly late on for a world class spinner. got to 29 and thought "this shit ain't working, let's start chucking it"
 
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