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He did say that he had a medical condition this time hence him failing the test. Doubt he bends his arm this much normally.

Do you actually believe thats why he failed? Or because he was blatantly cheating?

They compare the footage they take in the testing to in game footage of him bowling, if Ajmal had been found to be bowling differently in testing to how he was in the game (and they also look at the amount of loop, turn etc... he's putting on the ball) he would have failed the test instantly. If the 'medical note' was presented and he failed the test because he is bowling differently I suspect they would have retested when he was healed, but thats not why he failed. He failed because he's a chucker, as everyone already knew.
 
He did say that he had a medical condition this time hence him failing the test. Doubt he bends his arm this much normally.

Pretty sure they compare tests and check footage so that the action in the test is similar to that in real life or else all the players can rectify their arms during test and can all go free.
 
Seeing all the chuckers getting banned, I wonder if there's reason that India isn't picking Ojha or Harbhajan?
 
Pretty sure they compare tests and check footage so that the action in the test is similar to that in real life or else all the players can rectify their arms during test and can all go free.
Do you actually believe thats why he failed? Or because he was blatantly cheating?

They compare the footage they take in the testing to in game footage of him bowling, if Ajmal had been found to be bowling differently in testing to how he was in the game (and they also look at the amount of loop, turn etc... he's putting on the ball) he would have failed the test instantly. If the 'medical note' was presented and he failed the test because he is bowling differently I suspect they would have retested when he was healed, but thats not why he failed. He failed because he's a chucker, as everyone already knew.

He did say that they ignored his note so am just going with that as otherwise why would he have mentioned it at all? I do agree that he bends his arm more than 15% but I dont think it can be as high as 40% otherwise people would surely have noticed it before now.#

Anyone know why the ICC decided on 15% in the first place? Seems quite a weird figure, I do remember that the original number was increase due to murali.
 
He did say that they ignored his note so am just going with that as otherwise why would he have mentioned it at all? I do agree that he bends his arm more than 15% but I dont think it can be as high as 40% otherwise people would surely have noticed it before now.#

Anyone know why the ICC decided on 15% in the first place? Seems quite a weird figure, I do remember that the original number was increase due to murali.

He might have said it, but it doesn't make it mean its true. They probably ignored it because it was an utter irrelevancy, but I guess if it gives Ajmal something to cling on to rather than having to admit he knew he was pushing it then he will. And people had noticed, everyone really knew he was doing it.

As for why 15% then I believe its because all bowlers during the Murali case were found to have some degree of straightening simply due to human biomechanics and because 15% was seen as the limit upon which an umpire could notice it was happening.
 
He might have said it, but it doesn't make it mean its true. They probably ignored it because it was an utter irrelevancy, but I guess if it gives Ajmal something to cling on to rather than having to admit he knew he was pushing it then he will. And people had noticed, everyone really knew he was doing it.

As for why 15% then I believe its because all bowlers during the Murali case were found to have some degree of straightening simply due to human biomechanics and because 15% was seen as the limit upon which an umpire could notice it was happening.

Well the ICC hasnt given a good reason for ignoring it and I remember that Akhtar had a biological condition as well so am willing to give ajmal a chance. If he is still found to be guilty, then fair enough. We probably need a younger spinner long term anyway.

Ah, thanks for that.
 
Seeing all the chuckers getting banned, I wonder if there's reason that India isn't picking Ojha or Harbhajan?
Ashwin looks more of a chucker than either of them! Harbhajan hasn't been in form for some time now, simple as that. Ojha is still picked for tests in India.
 
Ashwin looks more of a chucker than either of them! Harbhajan hasn't been in form for some time now, simple as that. Ojha is still picked for tests in India.

Ashwin isn't a chucker. I bet that Ojha isn't going to be picked from now on.
 
I don't know if he's changed his action back (he might well have done), but this is some of the most blatant chucking you'll see:

 
I don't know if he's changed his action back (he might well have done), but this is some of the most blatant chucking you'll see:


This was a one time thing rather than his usual action.

He was the one of those who started the ball rolling with his long sleeve comments.
 
If these prove to be correct then all previous testing procedures and equipment failed miserably.

This is a damning indictment of previous testing, if these new ones are accurate.

A bit harsh. You'd expect testing to dramatically improve within the first 10-15 years of a new procedure. This whole chucking thing is quite recent (it started with Murali 10 years ago no?), so you can't really expect the previous tests to really stand up after a while.
 
A bit harsh. You'd expect testing to dramatically improve within the first 10-15 years of a new procedure. This whole chucking thing is quite recent (it started with Murali 10 years ago no?), so you can't really expect the previous tests to really stand up after a while.

If it was just the doosra that was deemed illegal, then I could accept that new testing has improved on previous tests and maybe discovered something that was not available to be found before. But, the fact all his deliveries are now found to be illegal, that implies previous testing was an abject failure.

Either that, or they've changed the rules...
 
Ashwin isn't a chucker. I bet that Ojha isn't going to be picked from now on.
Lots of Ashwin's deliveries, especially his carrom ball look chucked to me. Anyways, a personal opinion that.

As for Ojha, he has been picked consistently in most homes tests which India has played. They tend to go in for the three spinner strategy; using Jadeja as the all-rounder as well for home tests. Ojha's average in the last three years have been @ sub-26 levels; he is certainly going to be picked if 3 spinners are played.
 
Ashwin's action is perfectly fine. Ojha's on the hand is slightly dodgy and I don't think anyone gives a shite about Harbhajan.
 
1st: Over the wicket: Average elbow extension 39 degrees

2nd: Over the wicket: 37 degrees

3rd: Around the wicket: 41 degrees

4th: Around the wicket (wide of the crease): 41 degrees

5th: Around the wicket: 42 degrees

6th: Around the wicket, doosra: 40 degrees

7th: Around the wicket, quicker balls: 38 degrees

8th: Over the wicket, quicker balls: 42 degrees

Honestly, there should be bans for that not just 'do some remedial work and come back' all of them so far over the limit he had to have been cheating on purpose.
 
Lots of Ashwin's deliveries, especially his carrom ball look chucked to me. Anyways, a personal opinion that.

That's just a ridiculous claim. He bowls the carrom ball using a snap of his fingers, just like how the others do. And that's also how it gets its name.
 


Bob Willis saying he's alright with Ajmal's regular ball, but the doosra is the one they have a problem with. Turns out every ball of his is illegal wtih the same amount of bending. Basically some people have issues with the idea of something they don't know.
 
To be fair, I'm 90% Willis did have a problem with all his deliveries but was trying to be a bit more diplomatic.
 


This was brilliant. :lol: Awesome stories and Wasim's sense of humor is great.


Slightly relevant, but why do people go so crazy over players of other teams in India? I've seen this happen with Kevin Pietersen as well and probably some other players.

When I see someone like Sehwag/Dravid/Sachin, who has given a lot to Indian cricket, I feel a sense of awe and I would applaud him. Wouldn't do the whole chanting thing even then.

Don't understand people getting so excited over someone from another team. I sort of get the sense most of these people wouldn't have even seen a proper game of cricket.
 
Slightly relevant, but why do people go so crazy over players of other teams in India? I've seen this happen with Kevin Pietersen as well and probably some other players.

When I see someone like Sehwag/Dravid/Sachin, who has given a lot to Indian cricket, I feel a sense of awe and I would applaud him. Wouldn't do the whole chanting thing even then.

Don't understand people getting so excited over someone from another team. I sort of get the sense most of these people wouldn't have even seen a proper game of cricket.
I didn't get you. If you mean why do Indian fans admire cricketers of other countries, particularly someone as talented and legendary as Wasim then I think the answer is obvious.
 
I didn't get you. If you mean why do Indian fans admire cricketers of other countries, particularly someone as talented and legendary as Wasim then I think the answer is obvious.

The way they celebrate them. Polite applause is fine, but they go batshit crazy.
 
Ross Emerson admits to no-balling Murali due to orders from the top
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AUSTRALIA, Adelaide : The Sri Lankan team (L) waits on the field as Sri Lankan captain Arjuna Ranatunga (background-R) tries to resolve matters after bowler Muttiah Muralitharan was called for chucking by umpire Ross Emerson at their game against England at the Adelaide Oval on 23 January 1999. The decision resulted in the Sri Lankan team walking off until the matter was finally resolved. AFP-PA Photo/Ben Curtis.

Ross Emerson, the Australian umpire who no-balled Muttiah Muralitharan for throwing, has admitted that his decision to call the bowler was not entirely his own. Emerson told the The Daily Telegraph in Australia that he no-balled Muralitharan due to orders from an unnamed Cricket Australia official.

"I was called to a meeting with him [Cricket Australia official] and, knowing that I had called some other players, he told me I had set standards in certain areas which I should uphold in Adelaide. Yet everything blew up after I called Murali and when I saw him again he wouldn't even look at me," Emerson said, claiming that he had been let down after following through with the orders.

Emerson, officiating in his very first international match, no-balled Muralitharan for throwing when Sri Lanka played the West Indies in a triangular tournament in Brisbane in 1996. The rookie umpire incorrectly called Muralitharan for throwing even when the Sri Lankan spinner was bowling leg breaks.

Despite the obvious errors in judgement, Ross Emerson continued to officiate in international matches and no-balled Muralitharan again for throwing when Sri Lanka toured Australia two years later.

Prior to the tour, Muralitharan's bowling action had already been subjected to testing at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology where scientific scrutiny proved that Muralitharan's elbow could not straighten due to a congenital deformity. What appeared to be a throw was in fact an optical illusion.

The testing in Hong Kong and the subsequent green light by the game's governing body in 1996 allowed Muralitharan to continue playing.

Armed with orders from the top, Emerson no-balled Muralitharan again in front of nearly 10,000 spectators when Sri Lanka played England in the ninth match of the Carlton & United Series at the Adelaide Oval on January 23, 1999.

It was later revealed that Emerson was on sick leave at his regular day job whilst officiating in what was to be his last international match as an umpire.
 
So, not a word about Lancs v Middlesex?

Insane match so far... Chapple having to hit a 6 in the 110th over to grab the extra bonus point this morning, when a 9th wicket would have ended Lancs' hopes and kept Middlesex up.

Still not looking good for Lancs. Need to take 6 wickets very quickly tomorrow to have any chance. Forecast sunny throughout the afternoon, just hope they don't lose any time in the morning, when showers are forecast.
 
Narine finally done.
Lloyd also revealed that the WICB and the West Indies team management had been told that Narine would be under the scanner in India by a source whose identity he would not disclose. "Before we came here we were told that they were going to call Narine, so it's quite obvious that something must have been said somewhere," he said. "I really can't tell you that [who it was] but I can tell you it's a highly reliable source, because we have to make contingency plans for things like that just in case it happens."

I am not on the side of the chuckers(dont care tbf, I like anything that tilts the game away from the batsman's favour), but the ICC should have done this 1-2 years ago. Not 6 months before the world cup.

Also, if you're going to call the guy for chucking, why not in the 1st match or the 2nd? Why in such a way it hampers them for the final?
 
I'm not sure what the point of those gifs are? Lyon's and Ashwin's actions look a lot cleaner than Ajmal's and Narine's. Even if theres still flex in the first two.

Anyway, chucking is boring. Anyone seen the Pietersen stuff? Explosive if true and sadly believable.
 
Anyone seen the Pietersen stuff? Explosive if true and sadly believable.
Surprised by the stuff about Prior,always thought he was a team leader rather than a back stabber. Anderson and Broad being full of themselves is no surprise. The twitter scandal seems to have affected him badly or maybe he is just looking for some sympathy,can never be sure which is it.
 
I'm not sure what the point of those gifs are? Lyon's and Ashwin's actions look a lot cleaner than Ajmal's and Narine's. Even if theres still flex in the first two.

Anyway, chucking is boring. Anyone seen the Pietersen stuff? Explosive if true and sadly believable.

The point is to compare a clean action with one that isn't..
 
Surprised by the stuff about Prior,always thought he was a team leader rather than a back stabber. Anderson and Broad being full of themselves is no surprise. The twitter scandal seems to have affected him badly or maybe he is just looking for some sympathy,can never be sure which is it.
As Strauss remarked: 'He's an absolute cu nt'.