That was the difference. They were a dead set lock for 300, and messed about, and didn't get it, and in the end that let them down.
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That was the difference. They were a dead set lock for 300, and messed about, and didn't get it, and in the end that let them down.
Afridi is beginning to get going, down to him now to get Pakistan a decent target
EDIT
Well Afridi ran out, he was comfortably home but didn't have his bat grounded
186/7
EDIT
Well Afridi ran out, he was comfortably home but didn't have his bat grounded
186/7
Series all over...
Superb comeback my Pakistan.
It looked like a cakewalk for England, until the dismissal of Morgan, and that changed everything.
The series is still alive, and more importantly Pakistan after the display in the 1st match, put in two credible performances on the dot, this latest one resulting in a win.
It looked like a cakewalk for England, until the dismissal of Morgan, and that changed everything.
The series is still alive, and more importantly Pakistan after the display in the 1st match, put in two credible performances on the dot, this latest one resulting in a win.
My interest in cricket has really diminished.
Ah, the good old days.
Ah, the good old days.
That's because there is so much of it...
international, club, T20 crap...it never ends. Results are also semi predictable.
Yup. Being an Indian you can imagine how much I loved it growing up. Now, especially ever since there have been so many formats and competitions, it's just killed it. One minute there' an IPL, the next there's an international series, then you have a CL of clubs that, to be honest, noone gives a shit about. Then a mini world cup, then a world cupp arrgghhh
The days when there were just tests and ODI's, and bowlers actually had a role to play, were so much better.
The ICC have said this morning that they are going to investigate the one dayer on Friday , due to prerranged scoring pattens.
ICC say they goy info from the Sun (mmm) and the info proved to be correct.
I dont know if its just the Pakistan plyers or both teams .
The image of cricket just gets worse
It seems that the ICC had this info before the match started and could not contact the team before it started.
The ICC say that during the Pakistan innings at stated times Pakistan would score a certain number of runs.
ICC say they goy info from the Sun (mmm) and the info proved to be correct.
I dont know if its just the Pakistan plyers or both teams .
The image of cricket just gets worse
It seems that the ICC had this info before the match started and could not contact the team before it started.
The ICC say that during the Pakistan innings at stated times Pakistan would score a certain number of runs.
I kind of find it funny how many people seem to be sympathizing with Pakistan at the present. feck that, any player, wherever he's from should be dealt the harshest blow. I've heard sympathy for Amir because 'he's only a young boy''. Nonsense. Absolute nonsense. How does age have anything to do with it? It seems as though some want people to go light on him because he has a big future. It would be terrible if more talented players worth more to their countries future got a different treatment.
Same
I even forget there's an international game on TV.
I'm guessing betting in some form must have been a lot worse than we could imagine over the last couple of decades amongst most international teams.
I agree about Amir.
They are only making these noises about him being young because he has talent, and cricket is in desperate need of fast bowlers. I'd doubt if he was just an average cricketer his age would be a factor in determining any possible ban, of course this is all assuming he is found guilty.
They are only making these noises about him being young because he has talent, and cricket is in desperate need of fast bowlers. I'd doubt if he was just an average cricketer his age would be a factor in determining any possible ban, of course this is all assuming he is found guilty.
I'm looking forward to the ashes in a few months...should be good stuff!
Shame about freddie retiring though. always made these sorts of things interesting.
Shame about freddie retiring though. always made these sorts of things interesting.
This happens a lot. And it's really hard to believe given how seriously obsessed I was. There are two elements to it.
One is the general structure of the game which I think is seriously messed. Too much going on, too many formats, too many competitions and too little that's easily identifiable. Everything seems to be a money spinning idea and very little seems to have much worth.
Secondly, I feel the charm has just left the building in a hurry in the cricketing world. There used to be so many characters in the game earlier. So many great battles between bat and ball. And so many true great players that will be remembered even centuries later. Now, there are really very few players are up their with the best, especially in the bowling department. The pitches rarely ever favor the bowlers so it's become more like baseball than cricket. And finally, India vs Pakistan, the biggest spectacle of the game, doesn't even exist!!
I think the game was at its peak during the 80s and 90s, mainly because Tests were the main form of the game, they were also well supported throughout the cricketing world. I think T20 has probably played a big part in the decline of the sport mainly as a consequence of the over commercialisation of the game. As for betting, I think it's been going on since the 80s. The difference is that there's probably more money involved now. But I'm not sure how you can solve the problem, it's not a case of banning players and hoping everyone lives happily ever after. Gangsters/crime syndicates are involved. It's up to politicians to sort it out, especially in Asia. But I can't see that happening, they're not exactly whiter than whiter either. But yeah, the game is virtually dead.
Can't wait for the Ashes, hopefully we can concentrate what happens on the field rather than off it.
This is the first-time in a long time I genuinely believe England can go to Australia and win. However, I still have some doubts over Cook's ability, KP and Colly's form and whether Anderson will be as effective a bowler as he has been this summer with the ball zipping about (I don't think he will, but I reckon Finn will be a better bowler in the Aussie conditions)
Although I agree that there's nothing like test cricket, the balance of one day cricket and tests were just about right.
As for fixing, while that hasn't been the reason for my interest dropping, it's quite sad but has probably been going on for ages, particularly in the sub continent. My guess is, that it is largely a pakistan-centric problem when it comes to players, and an asian and quite indian centric one when it comes to the bookies or whatever you call the people putting the money behind the deal.
People will blab on about how it is damaging the sport. But truth be told, the damage has already been done by things other than fixing.
That's the best over of cricket I have ever seen. What drama. 3 wickets, 2 boundaries, one sitter of a run out missed to win the match, total mind games. Great stuff. And now we get a super over!
Victoria vs Chennai btw in the T20CL
Victoria vs Chennai btw in the T20CL
Somerset lose the CB40 final to Warwickshire. So this season, they've lost the T20 final because Hampshire lost fewer wickets, lost the County Championship as Notts won 1 game more and now lost this final after Bell's brilliant century. So close to a treble, I bet they feel like shit today...
Why should they tell them, if they have info that Pakistan will do something, why warn them and stop them from doing it
We want any match fixers out of the game
This really is getting to be a joke. I'm getting to the point, where I think Pakistan need time out of the game, if it sets cricket back in that country, so be it...
Jesus, even when they win, there is a sting in the needle.
PCB have come out and said, they have been unfairly targeted in the spot-fixing scandal, and will release the names of the people in the background who are the real culprits.
I think we all know what that means...These cheats are not going to get punished as they should. Not to mention the PCB will do nothing to try and face the problem head on, instead playing the victim card, and letting the issue get even more severe.
I think we all know what that means...These cheats are not going to get punished as they should. Not to mention the PCB will do nothing to try and face the problem head on, instead playing the victim card, and letting the issue get even more severe.
Apparently there are some quotes from Butt, and he says England players threw yesterday's game
Here it is
Ijaz Butt accuses England of accepting money to lose Pakistan match | Sport | guardian.co.uk
He better have some proof. Otherwise he's going to look a right tit.
Whilst the PCB should admit the problem and ban all the players allegedly involved, it's nieve to think this is only a problem in Pakistani cricket. The ICC needs to conduct a thorough investigation into spot/match fixing across all the cricket boards and nations, particularly the PCB and BCCI.
I don't think it's too drastic to say that the WC next year might be the centre of further allegations of fixing. The ICC needs to act quickly and decisively, and needs to conduct a review into all the nations. This is a Pakistan problem at the moment, but I won't be suprised if players from other countries are also implicated.
I don't think it's too drastic to say that the WC next year might be the centre of further allegations of fixing. The ICC needs to act quickly and decisively, and needs to conduct a review into all the nations. This is a Pakistan problem at the moment, but I won't be suprised if players from other countries are also implicated.
Wow
I think the tour might be brought to an abrupt end. Shame, because head of the ECB Giles Clarke has been one of the few people in world cricket to support the PCB and Pakistan, and I don't think it's fair on him for Butt to accuse his players of cheating (unless he has conclusive proof, which I don't think he does)
He already is a tit. Geoff Lawson came out recently and said, Ijaz Butt wasn't fit to run his own household let alone a national cricket board.
Trying to deflect from Pakistan will not save him or Pakistan.
England have provided a home for Pakistan this summer with there trouble at home and they repay us with this? Has that team no dignity?
It's disgraceful. Cancel the remaining matches, let the ICC deal with and send them home.
It's disgraceful. Cancel the remaining matches, let the ICC deal with and send them home.
See if it had any legitimacy I wouldn't complain. But after the 3rd match, ICC officially made a statement saying, no English players were being looked at after the match.
In essence giving them a clean bill of health, so for this retard now to try and conjure up this tripe, is simply not on.
I think the PCB needs to be disbanded. Surely the game in Pakistan is infested from top to bottom, and banning a couple of players won't change that fact. Also, I bet the likes of Butt and his ilk are running scared in case they're named in future allegations. Having said that, as I said in a reply to Amol, cleaning up the game on and off field will be futile unless the syndicates are targeted first. If these current allegations prove to be true(I have my doubts) it'll mean it's even more complicated than we thought. I'm not sure players can actually leave the betting scene once they've been dragged in.
This is where I said India had a role to play, and the BCCI had to be much more assertive, and I had people for some weird reason trying to explain to me the BCCI are not a law agency...REALLY?
But being de facto rulers of the game, they have to do whatever is necessary to go after india based or india connected bookies.
But being de facto rulers of the game, they have to do whatever is necessary to go after india based or india connected bookies.
Wow
Giles Clarke
Giles Clarke isn't the brightest spark and all. His probably should've resigned after the Alan Stanford saga.
how could the BCCI rid the game of syndicates/bookmakers in India? They're no authority are they? But this is very deep rooted stuff. I read somewhere that all games are fixed. To be honest that wouldn't surprise me.
The head honchos are in cahoots with all the big players in terms of betting/bookies etc etc. They constantly play down the role betting and bookies play in the game.
Not sure how much you have followed the IPL(I hate it, so don't watch it), but the allegations of corruption brought against the head of the IPL are let's say shocking to say the least.
The BCCI have in a weird power struggle managed to sideline him, but as far as the investigations into the corruption, it's a whitewash.
This is what I mean by the BCCI playing a more active role, go after the big guys, get some heads to roll, and others will start talking. Obviously they can't stop someone in Dubai taking bets, but they can make life difficult, and the players/officials in turn will be more wary of the consequences of getting caught.
The people saying that were right, the BCCI are not a law agency. Seems the fashionable thing to do to bash the BCCI for everything wrong in cricket.
In that case they're hardly likely to do something about it. And I have no idea what goes on in the IPL, but I can recall Speed saying bookies'd turn it into their playground.
The vibes the PCB are giving out are pathetic. This is their opportunity to give Pakistani cricket a fresh start and wash it clean off the muck it's stuck in. Rather than
BCCI's fault. They should clean up the PCB.
IPL is most definitely fixed. The way some of the teams throw matches is ridiculous.
Chennai were throwing away some matches for fun this year
IPL is most definitely fixed. The way some of the teams throw matches is ridiculous.
Chennai were throwing away some matches for fun this year
To be honest, that's sad. Do people actually watch the IPL?
watch this. It's about Hansie Cronje, what I find amazing is the SA public painted him as the victim. But he really does come across as a cnut in this doc, especially near the end. He abused his position and bullied black players into joining him. However the most scary thing is that he was probably screwed by the same bookies he made money for.
BBC iPlayer - Not Cricket: The Captain and the Bookmaker