Cricket:India's tour of England 2011

I always had the impression Pakistan pitches had a bit more bounce in them?
 
MikeUpNorth said:
I always had the impression Pakistan pitches had a bit more bounce in them?
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Pitches in Pakistan are flat and considered batting paradises for batsmen in winter; they suit spinners in summer. Therefore fast bowlers generally have to make something happen on their own. Reverse Swing is credited to Sarfraz Nawaz, who later forwarded the art. Notable Pakistani fast bowlers include Imran Khan, Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis.
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Low and flat.

Sri Lanka:

Wickets are flat and doesn't offer much bounce unlike the pitch at Asgiriya Stadium, Kandy in Sri Lanka offers generous bounce and favors fast bowling.[1] Bowlers get help under the lights. Spin is the key in these conditions. Muttiah Muralitharan and Ajantha Mendis are dangerous Sri Lankan bowlers with seamer Lasith Malinga the slinger
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Low and flat except Kandy.

India:

Pitches in India have historically supported spin bowling rather than seam or swing. Such pitches had virtually no grass, afforded little assistance for pace, bounce, or lateral air movement, but created very good turn
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Indian pitches and attitudes have changed considerably in the past few years. The induction of several newer venues (such as the one at Mohali), the emergence of "genuine" Indian fast bowlers, plus the development of domestic league cricket with international participants in the form of IPL and ICL, have resulted in a greater variety of pitches. Some contemporary pitches provide good support for pace, bounce, and swing, giving visiting teams from countries such as South Africa and Australia the feeling of being at home. One new complaint gaining ground, though, is that surfaces are often tailor made to be flat tops or excessively batsmen-friendly, for the sake of maximizing entertainment value, at the expense of all types of bowlers.
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To be honest, most pitches across the globe tend to be pretty flat thesedays.

Cricket pitch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
India not being able to produce pace bowlers while Pak is due to the following reaspns:

a) Legacy issue- Since early 90's almost all youngsters have idiolised Sachin and everyone wants to be an ace batsman. Even before that you had Dev for some time as an idol but it was the spin quartet and Gavaskar that were idolised. While in case of Pakistan, they had Imran, Wasim and Waqar to follow in last two decades.

b) Pitches and Coaching- Pitched are dead in India. And I am not talking about the international level. But domestic, club and local level. I played a 25 over matches recently and the opposing team had a fast bowler who gave up running in full steam after 9 balls due to the lifelessness of the pitch. There is where coaches come in as well. Given such pitches at low levels, most of the coached get the bowlers to forego pace for line and length. In Pakistan, they still rely on talent coming through gully cricket and a lot of bowlers escape being contaminated by coaching system before entering the International scene.
 
Wasn't a MRF Pace Foundation set up in India by Lillee? I agree though, I think it's because everyone wants to be the next Sachin Tendulkar rather than the new Praveen Kumar, and who can blame them?
 
Do any of you Indian loser types remember that advert Tendulkar did back in about '96, I think it was for Pepsi? He nicks a bottle off a delivery truck and the driver's this massive Sikh bloke and it seems for a moment like he's gonna bash him but then he doesn't?

Great days
 
Plechazunga said:
We have a tour playing the daft forms of the game there later this year. They'll beat us, but who cares, it's not test cricket.
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It'll make the Indians happy though, which is nice. Did you see how much they celebrated the limited overs cup? Was funny.
 
phelans shorts said:
Tremlett out and Anderson a doubt for next test, Onions has been called up.
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Even if they were fit, why would England bother going in full strength? Would rather give the others a chance to prove themselves and i am sure you would still win as any 8 bowlers from England would be better than every Indian Bowling attack except Zaheer.
 
Red Pavan said:
Even if they were fit, why would England bother going in full strength? Would rather give the others a chance to prove themselves and i am sure you would still win as any 8 bowlers from England would be better than every Indian Bowling attack except Zaheer.
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I still don't get how India got to No1 with only 1 decent bowler, they must have others surely?
 
WeasteDevil said:
The test match will always be the pinnacle of cricket, it's real cricket, everything else is just fannying about, you might as well just play baseball.
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Agreed.

But since 50 overs and T20 make more $$$ they're being given more importance. New players coming through don't play nearly as much tests as there predecessors did.
 
I think the number of tests played by each team per year now, with these short, multiple 2-match series, is actually not too different from what teams used to play in the old days when it just one extended home series in a summer and one extended away series in the winter.

It's only in the last ten or fifteen years that teams have been playing loads of tests every year. Before that it was 8-10 tests a year, as it is now.
 
In limited overs game you are not tested as much as in tests where both the bowlers and batsmen face real challenges.

In tests you can have fielders surrounding you, the pitch deteriorating, the ball starting to spin, a new ball to face etc.

I used to hate watching tests until England came good now I enjoy watching tests more than the limited overs game.

Cook to score 10k runs!
 
Commadus said:
In limited overs game you are not tested as much as in tests where both the bowlers and batsmen face real challenges.

In tests you can have fielders surrounding you, the pitch deteriorating, the ball starting to spin, a new ball to face etc.

I used to hate watching tests until England came good now I enjoy watching tests more than the limited overs game.

Cook to score 10k runs!
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tbh, I think we'd declare before he got to that score...
 
Commadus said:
In limited overs game you are not tested as much as in tests where both the bowlers and batsmen face real challenges.

In tests you can have fielders surrounding you, the pitch deteriorating, the ball starting to spin, a new ball to face etc.

I used to hate watching tests until England came good now I enjoy watching tests more than the limited overs game.

Cook to score 10k runs!
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At the speed Cook bats that would take about 15 years minimum.
 
England bat again. Great another score of 500+ awaits.
 
If they get past the new phase of the ball, Cook will just sit there for two days again, and it'll be rinse and repeat. What they going to try and do then, get an innings of over 1000 and bowl the Indians out twice in a day and a half?
 
Something like that Weaste, we'll certainly look to bat out atleast a full day and until tea tomorrow, I'd imagine. Barring any dramatic Indian revival.
 
Is the pitch pretty flat or do we think England can do welll with the ball here?
 
Forecast for tomorrow and Saturday looks good. But the two days after not so much, think India may sneak a draw here. Shame was hoping for a whitewash!
 
Covers coming off, inspection at 5.10pm.

Its still pissing down with rain where I am and has been all day long, amazing how different the weather can be in 2 places only 50 miles apart, with no hills in the way and its effectively 50 miles further down the valley...

Edit: play abandoned for the day...:(
 
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