Cricket:India's tour of England 2011

KM said:
Again taking me in the wrong sense. I applaud the move, but Bell will take the match away from us right now. It wasn't in sarcastic tone.
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You'd lose the series either way in all likelihood. But it's not like you've lost yet is it? Why so defeatist?
 
Dhoni should have stuck with the umpire's call. It was Bell who was careless, Bell who was at fault. India just did what all good professionals do and clipped the bails off when the batsman dropped a clanger and left his crease.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Nothing to do with being outplayed by England for 7 of the 8 days of cricket thus far?
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Are you guys insane or something?
If Bell's wicket was taken, considering the way he has played, we would've had a good chance to keep lead down to 300 which could've been manageable.

I'm not belittling England's efforts here.
 
WireRed said:
Dhoni should have stuck with the umpire's call. It was Bell who was careless, Bell who was at fault. India just did what all good professionals do and clipped the bails off when the batsman dropped a clanger and left his crease.
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In virtually any other sport, this wouldn't be an issue, but cricket is different

How long it will be different for in the age of 'professionalism', who knows, but the longer it does, the better
 
MikeUpNorth said:
You'd lose the series either way in all likelihood. But it's not like you've lost yet is it? Why so defeatist?
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Because England's bowling has looked good and our batting hasn't looked great at all.
 
I just a caught a replay of the run out. Bell was clearly running for the fourth run. Don't see the fuss. That should be out.
 
Red Pavan said:
What the hell, how did Morgan get 50 already?
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Bell is hardly going slowly

Morgan - SR of 85.24
Bell - SR of 78.26

And Prior in next isn't a slow scorer, good innings from Morgan, will keep the wolves from his door for a little while, which is good, as I don't rate Bopara
 
EdWeatherall said:
In virtually any other sport, this wouldn't be an issue, but cricket is different

How long it will be different for in the age of 'professionalism', who knows, but the longer it does, the better
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I don't see why though, it was a simple case of Bell lacking professionalism and going walkies despite the play still being active. Morgan knew he'd dropped a bollock, Dhoni and the Indian side knew he'd dropped a bollock, and Bell was showing all the signs of someone who knew he'd dropped a bollock. Strauss and the England fans(many of whom had no knowledge of the situation)bitching, booing, and hissing to suit our own agenda is far worse than doing something as straight forward as clipping the bails off when the batsman has left his crease during play.
 
Just looking at Bell's wagonwheel, amazing how few of his runs are straight down the wicket, usually a good scoring area for him

Most of his runs behind square
 
Brilliant innings from Bell. I asked for a big hundred, and he is delivering.
 
WireRed said:
I don't see why though
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I don't know how I can explain it then
It's always been a game played by gentleman, it's an honest game

I guess it is like Golf and Snooker in being honest games, with players calling fouls on themselves or in the case of cricket - walking.

Have you played cricket? Or even a big follower of it? As if you have/are, I don't see how you can't understand
 
WireRed said:
I don't see why though, it was a simple case of Bell lacking professionalism and going walkies despite the play still being active. Morgan knew he'd dropped a bollock, Dhoni and the Indian side knew he'd dropped a bollock, and Bell was showing all the signs of someone who knew he'd dropped a bollock. Strauss and the England fans(many of whom had no knowledge of the situation)bitching, booing, and hissing to suit our own agenda is far worse than doing something as straight forward as clipping the bails off when the batsman has left his crease during play.
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Cricket is heavily dependant on sportsmanship, which was embodied by the calling back from Dhoni.

The booing was because Dhoni had been unsporting in the first case, he was roundly cheered as soon as Bell returned.
 
So back to important issues, the pitch playing so well & the forecast good, don't forget 2 whole days to go...

We need to get enough to give India something to chase but also allow us sufficient time to get them out, but not too much time for them to accumulate the runs at a steady rate.

When should we declare, how much of a lead? Mid afternoon tomorrow too late, half hour before lunch too soon? Important call this...
 
The way Bell came back was poorly managed
The correct decision was made in bringing him back

But he should have ideally come out before the umpires and Indians, or at the very least the tannoy should have announced it before the umpires came out
 
Colin129 said:
So back to important issues, the pitch playing so well & the forecast good, don't forget 2 whole days to go...

We need to get enough to give India something to chase but also allow us sufficient time to get them out, but not too much time for them to accumulate the runs at a steady rate.

When should we declare, how much of a lead? Mid afternoon tomorrow too late, half hour before lunch too soon? Important call this...
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It depends on the lead, if we get a 350-400 lead I don't see why we can't do it before lunch tomorrow.
 
Colin129 said:
So back to important issues, the pitch playing so well & the forecast good, don't forget 2 whole days to go...

We need to get enough to give India something to chase but also allow us sufficient time to get them out, but not too much time for them to accumulate the runs at a steady rate.

When should we declare, how much of a lead? Mid afternoon tomorrow too late, half hour before lunch too soon? Important call this...
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I'd say declare at lunch-ish tomorrow with a 450 run lead if it got to that stage. Strauss is generally conservative as a captain so even then might hold on longer.
 
Colin129 said:
So back to important issues, the pitch playing so well & the forecast good, don't forget 2 whole days to go...

We need to get enough to give India something to chase but also allow us sufficient time to get them out, but not too much time for them to accumulate the runs at a steady rate.

When should we declare, how much of a lead? Mid afternoon tomorrow too late, half hour before lunch too soon? Important call this...
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If they still have wickets, they'll bat until lunch, maybe less

But the lead is now just short of 250, could be 350 by the end of the day with 25 overs to go, which means another 100 before lunch, which leaves 450 from five sessions

But I think this is premature, as surely the new ball will bring wickets
 
Gavaskar is totally bonkers. All the time resorting to past incidents of Australia in clips. Wonder why he never refers to the past incident when he called off the Indian team after he was not happy with the umpire for ruling him out.
 
phelans shorts said:
Cricket is heavily dependant on sportsmanship, which was embodied by the calling back from Dhoni.

The booing was because Dhoni had been unsporting in the first case, he was roundly cheered as soon as Bell returned.
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Why is what he originally did unsporting though? Bell left his crease without any indication to do so, so Dhoni ran him out. Is that not just Bell being a tit and India having the awareness and professionalism to see the situation for what it was ie. an error by Bell despite the ball being in play and his fellow batsman telling him to stay?
 
They could get a few quick wickets with the new ball and new batsman now.
 
WireRed said:
Why is what he originally did unsporting though? Bell left his crease without any indication to do so, so Dhoni ran him out. Is that not just Bell being a tit and India having the awareness and professionalism to see the situation for what it was ie. an error by Bell despite the ball being in play and his fellow batsman telling him to stay?
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No, it's lack of sportsmanship.

Bell out, fantastic knock from him.
 
Sky just showed a clip of a match between England and NZ. Collingwood as captain did something which was a lot worse by appealing a run out, when a batsman collided with the bowler and then refusing to change his decision. Wrong decision, and acted against the spirit of the law.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
They could get a few quick wickets with the new ball and new batsman now.
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Indeed. Game on, told you talk of declarations was premature
Need an innings from Prior and Morgan to push onto his century.

Be interesting to see if Trott will bat this innings or not. England need at least 100 runs from the remaining players combined, probably even 150
 
EdWeatherall said:
I don't know how I can explain it then
It's always been a game played by gentleman, it's an honest game

I guess it is like Golf and Snooker in being honest games, with players calling fouls on themselves or in the case of cricket - walking.

Have you played cricket? Or even a big follower of it? As if you have/are, I don't see how you can't understand
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No, cricket isn't really something I follow until an Ashes or a big series like this one. I just fail to see how India were in the wrong here, to me it was Bell doing something idiotic which he was and should have remained punished by. They tell us all to play to the whistle/indication of the officials before stopping in all sports, that's what Bell did. It's not like he left his crease to get treatment on an injury or he collided with another player, it was his own eagerness to get in the sheds that created the whole mess. I'd be embarrassed if I was him returning to the field as he did.
 
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