Cricket:India's tour of England 2011

KM said:
As a keeper, ok I agree he's worst then all of them. But as a batsmen, he is better than Jayawardene, Baugh and Boucher. Also better than whoever Pakistan's wicketkeeper and Hopkins of New Zealand.

I agree that he's in the test team for his captaincy, but alternative do we have?
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Gambhir will make a good captain, I think. Dinesh Karthik is still only 26 and would be a fine, fine number 7.

I understand that Dhoni is a fantastic leader of men, but this test team is a well-oiled machine and can go through the motions without him at the front. Test matches rarely have their dynamics changing so much that you need captains to make crucial calls on the pitch. We need him in T20s and ODIs, but not here.

I am being slightly knee jerk, but his performances in testing conditions are just atrocious. Pretty tired of seeing the defensive field sets when shit hits the fan, too. Been watching all our tests for the past few years and I don't think he's THAT important.

Never going to happen, though.

Mike, I think we'd win if the target's less than 275, but the problem is, I can see England getting more than that.
 
zing said:
Test matches rarely have their dynamics changing so much that you need captains to make crucial calls on the pitch. .
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On the contrary, I think test captains need to make crucial calls all the time, bowling changes, bowler patterns e.g when to rest and make best use of star bowlers, bowling partnerships, how to bowl to each batsman, fielding patterns for each batsman, knowing batsman weaknesses. Predicting the pitch at toss and throughout the match,

Whereas in ODI and t20 you're trying to keep the runs down as well. Test match conditions are constantly changing and you need an effective captain to respond to the changes.
 
TheGame said:
On the contrary, I think test captains need to make crucial calls all the time, bowling changes, bowler patterns e.g when to rest and make best use of star bowlers, bowling partnerships, how to bowl to each batsman, fielding patterns for each batsman, knowing batsman weaknesses. Predicting the pitch at toss and throughout the match,

Whereas in ODI and t20 you're trying to keep the runs down as well. Test match conditions are constantly changing and you need an effective captain to respond to the changes.
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Thing is, wouldn't you have done most of what you described as pre-match preparation? Stuff like batsmen's weaknesses, fielding patterns, predicting the pitch, etc..
 
Despite India's capitulation at the end of their innings, I'd say they still hold a distinct advantage, particularly as Trott looks unlikely to bat, and probably Swann will be impaired as well. Realistically, England need a lead of at least 220, which equates to a total of around 290 in this innings. For me, that's a pretty tall order in the circumstances.
 
zing said:
Thing is, wouldn't you have done most of what you described as pre-match preparation? Stuff like batsmen's weaknesses, fielding patterns, predicting the pitch, etc..
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Yeah but the pitch deteriorates with time, which then affects predicting when to declare or set the opposition targets which is the difference between winning and losing. Ponting (with previous Australian bowlers) and S Waugh were always good at this, they were very aggressive, backing their bowlers to bowl out the opposition with a medium target.

They should do their homework before, but say if a batsman is scoring in a specific area in the match, then the field must be changed to counter this meaning a gap elsewhere.
 
Northstand said:
Despite India's capitulation at the end of their innings, I'd say they still hold a distinct advantage, particularly as Trott looks unlikely to bat, and probably Swann will be impaired as well. Realistically, England need a lead of at least 220, which equates to a total of around 290 in this innings. For me, that's a pretty tall order in the circumstances.
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Yep, i'd put India slight faves.

I fancy a chase of around 200, which India will get.

Good test series thus far, although sadly injuries are playing a part.
 
Bell is the key wicket. What a fantastic batsman.
 
EdWeatherall said:
Wow, pessmistic or what

England are in effect 60/2.5

You could even say 3 with Trott's injury, how can anyone say that is England's game
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Because you've got a million more batsmen to come and our bowlers look lacklustre.
 
Just got home to see the score. Good comeback by England.

I still find our capitulation yesterday quite amusing. 20 runs ahead and 6 wickets in hand FFS!
 
Bell's wicket is obviously the key. If he could get a big hundred then we'd be in with a real chance.
 
Oh you Indian guys...you act like Arse supporters "We're the best, we're the worst, we're the best, we're the worst..."

There is a long way to go and plenty of time for both teams, its only the 3rd day ffs and both sides have shown that a good foundation can crumble in a few mad overs or vice versa that a disastrous start can be rescued...

This match will continue to ebb & flow, that's the beauty of Test cricket, calm down guys!
 
Combined team from the two squads on this tour?

1 Gambhir
2 Dravid
3 Bell
4 Tendulkar
5 Laxman
6 Pietersen
7 Prior
8 Broad
9 Swann
10 Zaheer (Tremlett?)
11 Anderson
 
Sehwag simply has to be there. And there should be no question mark about Zaheer.
 
Did anyone hear Micheal Vaughan's vaseline suggestion?
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As pathetic as the Waqar and Wasim ball tempering accusations from the british media.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Combined team from the two squads on this tour?

1 Gambhir
2 Dravid
3 Bell
4 Tendulkar
5 Laxman
6 Pietersen
7 Prior
8 Broad
9 Swann
10 Zaheer (Tremlett?)
11 Anderson
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Fair enough team. Shouldn't Pietersen and Bell's orders be reversed though?
 
KM said:
Did anyone hear Micheal Vaughan's vaseline suggestion?
:lol:
As pathetic as the Waqar and Wasim ball tempering accusations from the british media.
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What did he say? and Vaughan had his fair share of ball tamperers. All teams do.
 
Cook
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Laxman
Bell
Prior
Broad
Swann
Zaheer
Anderson

Probably Trott should be in there ahead of Dravid, but on the performances of this series alone, I've put Dravid in there.

Colin, it's hard to be bullish when the team's not at full strength.
 
EdWeatherall said:
You misunderstand him
He's talkng about their performances on this tour

Sehwag has been injured and done naff all, so can't be included
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He's got Zaheer in there, can't be on the basis of this tour.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
What did he say? and Vaughan had his fair share of ball tamperers. All teams do.
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He suggested that VVS had put Vaseline on his bat and that's why the hot spot didn't recognize the edge. Now when he's getting under pressure, he calling that as just being "banter"
 
KM said:
He suggested that VVS had put Vaseline on his bat and that's why the hot spot didn't recognize the edge. Now when he's getting under pressure, he calling that as just being "banter"
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He's been acting like a wanker on twitter all the time. Making comments about how PK bowls like Ganguly, etc. It's alright if I'm saying it here on redcafe, but as an ex-captain of England, he should be a little more responsible.
 
KM said:
He suggested that VVS had put Vaseline on his bat and that's why the hot spot didn't recognize the edge. Now when he's getting under pressure, he calling that as just being "banter"
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I see. Would be a great ploy, to be fair.
 
I was listening to TMS in the bath
They said HotSpot didn't show an edge for Strauss either when he was out.

Shame they can't get snicko quicker
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Sehwag simply has to be there. And there should be no question mark about Zaheer.
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If Sehwag was on this tour I'd have him in instead of Gambhir. The question over Zaheer or Tremlett is because I'm loathe to break up the England bowling attack as they work so well as a unit.
 
KM said:
He suggested that VVS had put Vaseline on his bat and that's why the hot spot didn't recognize the edge. Now when he's getting under pressure, he calling that as just being "banter"
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The English reaction to the hot spot issue has been quite ironic. All of a sudden, there's English opposition to technology while there's been general mocking and jeering going on in the direction of the Indian team. It's all good taking a stance, but they should stick to it.

In all of the criticism of the review yesterday, it seems to have been 100% implicitly accepted that Laxman actually nicked it. Laxman denies it and I'd believe him. Snicko shows a sound, but only a few frames after the ball passes the bat.
 
I noticed earlier that Strauss' clear edged dismissal didn't make a mark on hotspot, he had the good grace to walk though...
 
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