Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

golden_blunder said:
Why do people want the football to restart so badly?
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I see two major reasons for it. Ultimately, everyone has to get back to work to get as much as the economy flowing as possible. For some, work from home remains a possibility which is clearly not there in football. For the sustainability of many clubs, it is imperative that football begins, otherwise the likes of Sky and BT wouldn't release the TV revenues which are essential for the operating model for the clubs.

If the footballers can unanimously declare that they wouldn't be taking any wages, it can be a possibility, but if you're dealing in millions and billions, then a way has to be found. Germany has led the way and are demonstrating what needs to be done. The players and staff should ideally isolate themselves from their families and be quarantined in hotels to ensure that even if they were to catch the virus, it limits to them and not to the outer world. That is the least of a sacrifice they should make for their livelihood considering millions of people of the world do that while earning a fraction of the players.
 
Pagh Wraith said:
I find this really disingenuous. You wouldn't make the same argument with regards to other businesses.

Why have we reopened shopping centres? Because feck old people.
Why have we reopened gyms? Because feck old people.
Why have we reopened bars? Because feck old people.
Why have we reopened museums? Because feck old people.
Why have we reopened hairdressers? Because feck old people.
Why have we reopened restaurants? Because feck old people.
Why have we reopened theatres? Because feck old people.

Nobody would say that. None of the above are essential either but of course we reopen these things because people's livelihoods depend on it and it just wasn't justfifyable to keep them shut any longer the way the pandemic has developed. But for some reason it's okay to let football go bust (and @Leroy The Red's brilliant post explained perfectly how restarting the top divisions affects everything down the pyramid). And also keep in mind that footballers (and therefore the rest of society) will be better protected than any of the above due to the rigorous testing they receive.
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How many of those businesses do you think will be open in the UK before the Premier League returns?

Theres a good chance that football will be back before dentists even reopen here which to me is insane. I've been living with dental pain for going on 9 weeks now without even the help of pain relief offered by my dentist. Lots of regular dental procedures will have by now degenerated into more serious problems, routine screening hasn't been carried out for going on 3 months and serious health issues like cancer will not be diagnosed. Yet the return of top flight football is deemed a higher priority by the Tory party. Their priorities seem to be messed up here.

If the PL returning was part of a grander scheme to help out lower league clubs then i could understand and that would be great, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
 
golden_blunder said:
Yeah I’m guessing it’s mostly selfish reasons that people are bored. That’s why I was curious, if anyone could give a reasonable response highlighting reasons I hadn’t thought off. So, we want footballers to take a gamble on their lives so that we can sit at home watching, and then shouting at the tv if they make the smallest error or your name is Jessie lingard

but as someone pointed out it is a football forum
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They will be so much less at risk than the average man or woman on the street. Especially now that non-essential businesses are about to start up again. The constant testing, and exposure to a very limited number of people compared to, say, staff in a shop, will mean they're barely more at risk than you or I shopping for food once a week and going for the odd run.
 
stevoc said:
How many of those businesses do you think will be open in the UK before the Premier League returns?
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Do you watch the news? Non-essential shops are opening from 15th June. Some, such as IKEA, will be open even earlier, from the 1st. Outdoor seating for cafes and pubs will probably be allowed from mid June too.

All of these things are much riskier than footballers who will be tested every couple of days.
 
golden_blunder said:
first of all, where did I say “feck old people”?

secondly, and I agree to an extent that businesses need to stay afloat. But at what cost?
I would actually get behind project restart more IF the PL devised some kind of scheme to help the lower league clubs stay afloat. Look at Harry Kane shirt sponsoring L.O. Brilliant! Loved that. Why can’t the elite PL clubs and players come up with more out of the box ideas? I know some things may fall foul of fairness rules etc but try. It doesn’t have to be huge amounts of money either.

Instead there’s a vibe of the game goes on because there is money at stake for the top league. They aren’t, or don’t appear to be giving much thought to the lower leagues so far. And amongst the fans on the forums I don’t see much about lower clubs either, the odd fan but not many.

then when you throw In the possible health risks to players, I’m not sure it’s absolutely the right action at this stage. Imagine if a high profile young player got sick and died? Let’s say Rashford caught it, it develops because maybe he’s got a heart issue that he’s not aware off, he gets hospitalised, gets worse and eventually dies. Is football worth that? Imagine what that would do to a club, the league and the morale of the nation?

I know I’m being melodramatic but it’s still a possibility that something like that could happen, no matter how slim people think that is

that’s where I’m at. I can’t get behind a plan that’s to protect the finances of the top leagues only. There needs to be an inclusive plan that details all the way down
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But why are you holding football to so much higher a standard than other non-essential industries are about to be held to? Footballers will be so, so much safer than customers and staff of shops etc, which will be opening before the football restarts.

Of course it would be horrific and tragic Rashford died! But more so than if someone who isn't famous dies? No, of course not. Nonetheless, it's been judged that the risk is low enough for shops to open, so why is the infinitely lower risk to football still too high for you?

Your complaint seems to be that no-one is doing anything to protect the finances of the lower divisions. That's a legitimate concern. But restarting the Premier League doesn't make that worse. At worst, it doesn't affect it at all. In fact, as @Leroy The Red explained, the financial health of the Premier League is crucial to the survival of the lower leagues. So you're aiming your criticism at the wrong issue.
 
Brightonian said:
Do you watch the news?
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I do yes. Non essential things opening with the government pushing for the Premier League to restart and yet little or no mention of when essential sectors like dentists are re-opening. As i said the Gvoernments priorities here are messed up.
 
stevoc said:
I do yes. Non essential things opening with the government pushing for the Premier League to restart and yet little or no mention of when essential sectors like dentists are re-opening. As i said the Gvoernments priorities here are messed up.
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A dentist being open has high risk of transmitting the virus. the tools they use and close proximity means they need to be looked at before opening up.

The govt is not pushing the PL to restart, they are giving the PL green light. The PL is the body that wants to restart the PL.

This also has alot to do with the economy, we need to get the economy back up running. It is not like the govt has said to the PL yep resume as normal, they will have to play without fans to make sure health is taken care of.

The players train outside (where risk is lower), they are tested 2 times a week. Most of the players are fit and healthy so the risk to them is much lower than anyone else.
 
Brightonian said:
But why are you holding football to so much higher a standard than other non-essential industries are about to be held to? Footballers will be so, so much safer than customers and staff of shops etc, which will be opening before the football restarts.

Of course it would be horrific and tragic Rashford died! But more so than if someone who isn't famous dies? No, of course not. Nonetheless, it's been judged that the risk is low enough for shops to open, so why is the infinitely lower risk to football still too high for you?

Your complaint seems to be that no-one is doing anything to protect the finances of the lower divisions. That's a legitimate concern. But restarting the Premier League doesn't make that worse. At worst, it doesn't affect it at all. In fact, as @Leroy The Red explained, the financial health of the Premier League is crucial to the survival of the lower leagues. So you're aiming your criticism at the wrong issue.
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Excellent post.
 
golden_blunder said:
Yeah I’m guessing it’s mostly selfish reasons that people are bored. That’s why I was curious, if anyone could give a reasonable response highlighting reasons I hadn’t thought off. So, we want footballers to take a gamble on their lives so that we can sit at home watching, and then shouting at the tv if they make the smallest error or your name is Jessie lingard

but as someone pointed out it is a football forum
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People want to get back to normal.

We all have to strike a balance about the risks to ourselves and others. This event is unprecedented so there probably isn't a definitive reason why anybody should make their mind up one way or another. For some, if the risk to them is non existent then let he games begin. Others will put themselves last and take a very cautious view. The spectrum in-between grows by the minute.

I suspect older people are taking a more cautious view and as one of that number I think the players views should be considered and I sincerely hope the clubs have fully consulted the players before voting about a return.
 
Brightonian said:
But why are you holding football to so much higher a standard than other non-essential industries are about to be held to? Footballers will be so, so much safer than customers and staff of shops etc, which will be opening before the football restarts.

Of course it would be horrific and tragic Rashford died! But more so than if someone who isn't famous dies? No, of course not. Nonetheless, it's been judged that the risk is low enough for shops to open, so why is the infinitely lower risk to football still too high for you?

Your complaint seems to be that no-one is doing anything to protect the finances of the lower divisions. That's a legitimate concern. But restarting the Premier League doesn't make that worse. At worst, it doesn't affect it at all. In fact, as @Leroy The Red explained, the financial health of the Premier League is crucial to the survival of the lower leagues. So you're aiming your criticism at the wrong issue.
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Really good post.

Sadly it seems like some United fans would rather football went under all together than see Liverpool win the title.
 
golden_blunder said:
then when you throw In the possible health risks to players, I’m not sure it’s absolutely the right action at this stage. Imagine if a high profile young player got sick and died? Let’s say Rashford caught it, it develops because maybe he’s got a heart issue that he’s not aware off, he gets hospitalised, gets worse and eventually dies. Is football worth that? Imagine what that would do to a club, the league and the morale of the nation?

I know I’m being melodramatic but it’s still a possibility that something like that could happen, no matter how slim people think that is
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If Rashford has an existing heart condition then the club and player would know about it like with Kante. These players are worth tens, maybe hundreds of millions of pounds. The regular medical checks they undergo will more than cover things like this in normal times let alone now!

Premier League football players will arguably be the safest workers in the country in June.
 
romufc said:
A dentist being open has high risk of transmitting the virus. the tools they use and close proximity means they need to be looked at before opening up.
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Yes and theres also a risk for doctors, nurses, chemists, opticians, vets, supermarket workers etc yet they continued to work. Should the dentists have closed for 2-3 weeks to stock up on the appropriate PPE and get some measures like screens in place to protect reception staff absolutely. But it's been 9 -10 weeks now and the BDA are still waiting on guidance from the government as to when Dentists can re-open.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/beauty/body/dentists-reopen-june-15-when-uk/

The laughable thing is at any point in the last 9 weeks i could have taken my dog to the vets for dental treatment if he'd needed it but i can't get any myself.

romufc said:
The govt is not pushing the PL to restart, they are giving the PL green light. The PL is the body that wants to restart the PL.
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Are you sure?

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...s-government-backs-return-as-soon-as-possible
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/s...ue-urged-government-step-planning-return.html

romufc said:
This also has alot to do with the economy, we need to get the economy back up running. It is not like the govt has said to the PL yep resume as normal, they will have to play without fans to make sure health is taken care of.

The players train outside (where risk is lower), they are tested 2 times a week. Most of the players are fit and healthy so the risk to them is much lower than anyone else.
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Lets be honest here the Premier League restarting has little to do with the wider economy, many of the livelihoods that rely on football will not be boosted by BCD games with no fans. Every PL club can afford to keep all their staff employed for the next few months. They aren't looking to restart in June to avoid laying off stewards, kitchen staff and tea ladies.

And if you want to look at it from an economic point of view many dentists could go bust leaving peoples areas without a dental practice to care for them.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/one-in-five-dental-practices-going-down-the-tube-jwzpc0lgt

I have no problem with the PL returning but as i've said the governments priorities seem fecked up to me.
 
stevoc said:
Yes and theres also a risk for doctors, nurses, chemists, opticians, vets, supermarket workers etc yet they continued to work.
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I am sure you are not that naive. These are key workers, that is why they are still working. Surely you are not saying doctors shouldn't work. Chemist can work by putting in screens and the like.

"Dental check-ups and treatments that involve close contact between the dentist and patient should not take place. Also, dentists and their teams have to avoid using tools like drills and the ones used for scales and polishes. This is to prevent them from catching the virus from an infected patient and passing it on to other patients"

https://damiradental.co.uk/news/coronavirus-are-dentists-open-during-the-lockdown-

With chemists, supermarket, you are not going into someone's mouth.


stevoc said:
Lets be honest here the Premier League restarting has little to do with the wider economy, many of the livelihoods that rely on football will not be boosted by BCD games with no fans.
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It isn't just football though is it? other sports are training too like cricket. Sports is a very important part of lives. It isn't like the govt have given go ahead for games during the peak, they will be back after dentists and other businesses. I do not see what the big issue is? not like they have said sports first then everything else?

You also do not seem to grasp that they can protect the athletes much better because the clubs and PL will make sure vigorous testing is carried out.
 
Why on earth are people talking about the government as if they are the ones trying to get the premier league restarted? I despair. The PL are desperate to restart and pushing and pushing for it, because of money, that’s it.

The danger is potentially in crowds gathering to watch football. That’s the real safety issue.
 
@Telegraph
Exclusive: Premier League will restart on June 17 with Aston Villa at home to Sheffield United and Manchester City hosting Arsenal.

It's coming back!
 
Utd heap said:
@Telegraph
Exclusive: Premier League will restart on June 17 with Aston Villa at home to Sheffield United and Manchester City hosting Arsenal.

It's coming back!
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That’s the two games outstanding which were postponed due to the League Cup Final. Good idea to get them out of the way first.
 
Great ! Nothing like a stuffing at the Etihad to get us going again ! :D Hopefully everything goes well and the season can be wrapped up quickly.
 
romufc said:
I am sure you are not that naive. These are key workers, that is why they are still working. Surely you are not saying doctors shouldn't work. Chemist can work by putting in screens and the like.

"Dental check-ups and treatments that involve close contact between the dentist and patient should not take place. Also, dentists and their teams have to avoid using tools like drills and the ones used for scales and polishes. This is to prevent them from catching the virus from an infected patient and passing it on to other patients"

https://damiradental.co.uk/news/coronavirus-are-dentists-open-during-the-lockdown-

With chemists, supermarket, you are not going into someone's mouth.
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Jesus mate did you even read my post?

I'm not saying doctors shouldn't work, how would you even get that from my post? I'm saying the Government should be and should have been giving Dentists the guidance and support so they could continue work. Dentists should have been classified a key workers also and allowed to continue treating their patients. Thousands of people have been suffering with dental pain for months with some having to resort to diy dentistry.

What do you think Dentists will be wearing btw when they do re-open?

Obviously when Dentists do re-open they will be wearing masks and visors to protect themselves. Masks and visors that they could have been wearing while doing their job during the last 6-7 weeks if the government had given them the go ahead and support to do so.

romufc said:
It isn't just football though is it? other sports are training too like cricket. Sports is a very important part of lives. It isn't like the govt have given go ahead for games during the peak, they will be back after dentists and other businesses. I do not see what the big issue is? not like they have said sports first then everything else?

You also do not seem to grasp that they can protect the athletes much better because the clubs and PL will make sure vigorous testing is carried out.
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This thread is about the Premier League restarting.

I hope your right on that second point, but we'll see. Even if they do Dentists should have been back months before football restarts.

You don't seem to grasp much of what i've said yourself mate judging by the tone of your post, how dare someone suggest another sector should be treated as a higher priority than football.
 
stevoc said:
What do you think Dentists will be wearing btw when they do re-open?

Obviously when Dentists do re-open they will be wearing masks and visors to protect themselves. Masks and visors that they could have been wearing while doing their job during the last 6-7 weeks if the government had given them the go ahead and support to do so.
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If you read the article, there are measures for urgent cases.

Yes, I do know what they will wear masks and the like. The reason it is opening now is because the numbers are lower than before.

stevoc said:
You don't seem to grasp much of what i've said yourself mate judging by the tone of your post, how dare someone suggest another sector should be treated as a higher priority than football.
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I am a United fan, we aint winning the league, I wouldn't care if the season was void and we came back in September.

However; this is not about me, it is about getting back to a new normal whatever that includes and entails. The PL is back because of the number of clubs that rely on the money. If clubs go pop, people lose job, unemployment rises.. I am sure you get the gist now.
 
romufc said:
It isn't just football though is it? other sports are training too like cricket. Sports is a very important part of lives. It isn't like the govt have given go ahead for games during the peak, they will be back after dentists and other businesses. I do not see what the big issue is? not like they have said sports first then everything else?

You also do not seem to grasp that they can protect the athletes much better because the clubs and PL will make sure vigorous testing is carried out.
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As i said we'll see, i'm sceptical personally. Unless of course i missed an announcement from the BDA today that the government has given them the go ahead.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/05/28/exclusive-premier-league-restart-june-17/
 
romufc said:
If you read the article, there are measures for urgent cases.

Yes, I do know what they will wear masks and the like. The reason it is opening now is because the numbers are lower than before.
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I don't need to read shit mate, i've been dealing with the measures in place first hand. I've had increasingly severe dental pain for the last 9 weeks, and having problems eating and sleeping yet i've been offered no help beyond telephone advice. I can only get help if i wait long enough for my issue to escalate and cause an infection and swelling in my mouth. At which point i will be able to get a tooth extraction, when all i needed 2 months ago was a simple probably 10-15 minute procedure.


romufc said:
However; this is not about me, it is about getting back to a new normal whatever that includes and entails. The PL is back because of the number of clubs that rely on the money. If clubs go pop, people lose job, unemployment rises.. I am sure you get the gist now.
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No PL clubs are in danger of going pop any time soon.

Also stick your gist and your condescension up your hole mate.
 
Wonder what shape teams will come back in. United & Spurs will have Rashford & Kane back right? Should be a good game to watch.
 
Klopper76 said:
Wonder what shape teams will come back in. United & Spurs will have Rashford & Kane back right? Should be a good game to watch.
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Pretty sure most teams will have majority of their players fit.

Obviously when a team suffers an embarrassing loss, we will see managers jump to the excuse of players are not match fit. I can accept that but all 20 PL clubs are in the same situation.

I hope the games will be of good intensity though.
 
Klopper76 said:
Wonder what shape teams will come back in. United & Spurs will have Rashford & Kane back right? Should be a good game to watch.
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Son would've missed the original game as well, so Spurs should have their best two players back. Not sure if Rashford or Pogba will be fit enough for us, but potentially back as well.
 
Klopper76 said:
Wonder what shape teams will come back in. United & Spurs will have Rashford & Kane back right? Should be a good game to watch.
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Spurs always start slow when the season begins so the same principal applies here.
 
Megadrive Man said:
If Rashford has an existing heart condition then the club and player would know about it like with Kante. These players are worth tens, maybe hundreds of millions of pounds. The regular medical checks they undergo will more than cover things like this in normal times let alone now!

Premier League football players will arguably be the safest workers in the country in June.
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Not necessarily. First of all, over the last few years numerous players have dropped dead on pitches such as Foe, or near dead like that lad at Bolton, never mind the cases in other countries.

secondly, despite heart tracing etc, you can go your whole life with very specific heart issues undetected. Not every test picks up everything. For example, I had tracing, echos, treadmill tests, blood tests etc and was discharged from hospital. Only when I dropped at home did I get a full cardiac MRI to discover major issues.
 
golden_blunder said:
Not necessarily. First of all, over the last few years numerous players have dropped dead on pitches such as Foe, or near dead like that lad at Bolton, never mind the cases in other countries.

secondly, despite heart tracing etc, you can go your whole life with very specific heart issues undetected. Not every test picks up everything. For example, I had tracing, echos, treadmill tests, blood tests etc and was discharged from hospital. Only when I dropped at home did I get a full cardiac MRI to discover major issues.
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Also there's the likes of Carrick, who had an issue (irregular heartbeat?). Can we know how long that went undetected.

Edit: Blind too.
 
Delighted.

Not even fussed about Liverpool winning anymore, just can't wait to see our boys back in action.
 
Vidyoyo said:
Also there's the likes of Carrick, who had an issue (irregular heartbeat?). Can we know how long that went undetected.

Edit: Blind too.
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Exactly. These things go undetected all the time. Supposedly sports people are more at risk too from the pressures Covid can cause on the heart or something like that
 
I want the season resumed but I have noticed the death toll creeping back up in recent days. If people are still not even allowed to see friends or family then football should not even be considered for a return.
 
Football fans will be allowed to attend in August/September. As soon as the money men see a dent in profits due to non attendances, they'll bully the government to allow full attendances once more, so expect that to be rushed back at some point.
 
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