Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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No they'll finish the FA cup and EL - the CL and PL will be voided though.
Liverpool's clash against Atletico Madrid 'led to 41 additional deaths' as government failed to ban fans... while 'Cheltenham Festival has also been linked to 37 coronavirus-related fatalities in data-modelling'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/s...Atletico-Madrid-led-41-additional-deaths.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/s...Atletico-Madrid-led-41-additional-deaths.html
Nothing new. When Europe played BCD, Liverpool filled Anfield. Like som other clubs. No consequence thinking whatsoever.
That was a glorious game but it obviously never should have gone ahead with a full crowd. It'd blame the city and the club more than the government though.
Hmmm, yeah “data modelling”. And how far back do we go to “data modelling” events and directly linking them to deaths. Leicester played Aston Villa the night before. We played Man City three days earlier. How many of our fans were coming in from London? From abroad? How many flights were still going in and out of the U.K. from Madrid at that time? From Manchester airport? are these being “data modelled” And will they then make the papers?
I admittedly dont know much about data modelling but I get the concept. Scientists and experts are still struggling to pin point certain things with this virus. And here the data modelists are telling us that match caused precisely ‘41 deaths’ due to data modelling And Cheltenham caused exactly 38.
They should be more transparent with what this data modelling entailed. Considering all the unknown factors on who attended, where they attended from, how they got there, who actually had it, my head can not comprehend how they can pinpoint 41 deaths exactly, especially as they said it was linked to deaths 30-35 days later.
In hindsight of course the match shouldn’t have gone ahead with fans but putting this out there like that to me doesn’t seem to be for any good reason whatsoever. Who’s it helping, whos it benefiting, it’s not making us learn anything. Even if it’s true, and as tragic as 41 deaths are there’s a whole bigger picture out there with unanswered questions.
One I thing I do know is that for whatever reason this one specific game of football seemed to continually be high up on the list of things people were pinpointing the cause of the outbreak and deaths on so I guess now the ‘evidence’ is there, the outrage and I told you so’s will commence.
You don’t think UEFA and the government should have been the ones? Although I guess Liverpool could have banned away fans.
This sounds quite fun, but then it leaves the beginning of the season fairly boring, no? One of the most exciting things about the PL is that there’s usually at least one match between two of the top clubs almost every weekend, so there’s always something to look forward to throughout the season. Clustering it near the end would make for a fantastic end, but a boring beginning outside of your own club.
Thou shall not criticise the Scousers, the lovable rogues that they are.
@MackRobinson, ever the neutral, will be in here any minute now to justify Liverpool Football Club™ and their self-absorbed actions.
Any minute now...
As if!
At the very least they should have banned away fans, yes. And I think local health authorities would have been in a much better position to decide that than UEFA.
I dont see how international travel is an option
There's been lots of fair criticism of the club over the lockdown. The furlough incident was grotesque and I called them out on it. However, using the failures of the UK government and Uefa to prevent a game that blatantly should have been BCD to somehow frame the Atletico game as Liverpool's fault is strange.
Both the British and Spanish government allowed the game to go ahead, Uefa allowed the game to go ahead. Is there anyway the club could ban fans from an arena or cancel a game when all the governing bodies above them are saying it's safe (even as we all knew it wasn't). If Uefa want a game to go ahead it'll go ahead. Maybe there's an example to the contrary that I'm unaware of?
Both the British and Spanish government allowed the game to go ahead, Uefa allowed the game to go ahead. Is there anyway the club could ban fans from an arena or cancel a game when all the governing bodies above them are saying it's safe (even as we all knew it wasn't). If Uefa want a game to go ahead it'll go ahead. Maybe there's an example to the contrary that I'm unaware of?
In the case of PSG v Dortmund, Paris police made the decision.
He’s on a wum as usual.
Fair enough, the impression I always got from Joe Anderson's comments was that there was pressure above him that meant Merseyside council and police had their hands tied.
Come on now, the game was in the beginning of March and the UK was one of the latest West-European countries hit (or at least they were amongst the latest realizing how serious this was). At the time, yes there was already a risk but there's no way the club itself should have made that decision (and they would've been heavily criticized if they banned away fans but allowed home fans). The local authorities, in hindsight could've done better but if you see how their government underestimated this whole thing, how can you reasonably expect the local health authorities to have made the right decision at that time, as uninformed about it as they probably were. Hindsight is 20/20 yes, and Madrid was emerging as a huge infection area at the time, but I still think it's too hard to pinpoint any blame on the club or the local authorities for this one.
Every other European games was behind closed doors. Liverpool had no excuse and its insulting to feign ignorance
People are easily insulted these days, unfortunately.
Which team made the decision to play BCD itself? If there are any, I will happily admit that they did better than Liverpool in that respect.
Why didn't your club raise concerns with the government regards the safety of the fans before the game kicked off? It's not as if they weren't aware of the threat, Klopp went berserk after a supporter tried shaking his hands as he exited the tunnel.
LASK & United played behind closed doors 24 hours after the 'Liverpool FC value atmosphere above the safety of their fans' scandal.
United also played in a full 76k seater stadium 4 days before Liverpool-Atlético, with a number of foreign fans in attendance possibly/probably exceeding the 3.000 Atlético fans in Anfield.
The LASK game was BCD because the Austrian health minister had already announced a ban of events >500 people until mid-April. If that hadn't happened in Austria, there's no way the club itself would've announced it.
While I can see the case for whether the Govt should have given an all-out ban on major events (and maybe banned incoming fans from abroad) I can't see (or have read anything about) Govt/senior officials proactively telling Cheltenham or Liverpool FC to continue with their events. I doubt they'd have been bothered either way? (though should have been)
My understanding is football matches are controlled by local authorities and (mainly?) by police. I can't see how a Labour run council or a major city's police force would take any notice of people pressing them into doing something they weren't ok with. At the very least, they'd have come out at the time and said "against our better judgement, we have been told this game is to go ahead".
See, I could believe that of Liverpool. They proved with the furloughing scandal that they value self-gain above the well-being of their fanbase and club associates, but to accuse LASK & United of similar selfish acts is a harsh.
It's Monday, not gonna give into your WUM attempts so early in the week
Nah
You were milking it. It's like hurry up and play this game before the lockdown deadline starts.
Klopp then had the audacity to blame covid19 for their defeat
EDIT: Shit, I thought they played in Madrid. Definitely UK government to blame most for letting so many fans travel here, what a shocker that is.
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Atletico, the Spanish government, the UK government and UEFA should be blamed before Liverpool IMO. None of them acted quickly when they should have.
Valencia played Atalanta behind closed doors the day before, but that was only because of how badly Italy had been affected. We played at LASK without a crowd but it was only on advice of the Austrian government (good!). Spurs played at Leipzig two days before we did in front of a full crowd (what!). On the same day, it was announced Chelsea would also play in Germany at Bayern behind closed doors, which was scheduled to take place the next week (weird?!).
Overall, it was a weird week with lots of bad decisions. It now looks very messy and unorganized.
Feel free to correct me if any of this is wrong.
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Atletico, the Spanish government, the UK government and UEFA should be blamed before Liverpool IMO. None of them acted quickly when they should have.
Valencia played Atalanta behind closed doors the day before, but that was only because of how badly Italy had been affected. We played at LASK without a crowd but it was only on advice of the Austrian government (good!). Spurs played at Leipzig two days before we did in front of a full crowd (what!). On the same day, it was announced Chelsea would also play in Germany at Bayern behind closed doors, which was scheduled to take place the next week (weird?!).
Overall, it was a weird week with lots of bad decisions. It now looks very messy and unorganized.
Feel free to correct me if any of this is wrong.
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From what I can gather from the German posters here and freinds I have out there the policy's in Germany are for the most part regional.
That plus I think Bavaria were in a pretty bad place (for Germany's standards) around the time we were due to be going there.
In fairness I’d blame the government first and foremost because at that time they were faffing around with their decisions and public guidelines. It’s a government ffs, they should have seen a huge event unfolding in Spain. Same with the horse racing. Stuck their herd heads in the sand and allowed free travel
Ah, that makes sense.
How the hell can you criticise the people of Liverpool for that? Can you offer an explanation?
Thou shall not criticise the Scousers, the lovable rogues that they are.
@MackRobinson, ever the neutral, will be in here any minute now to justify Liverpool Football Club™ and their self-absorbed actions.
Any minute now...
Any rational person would lay the blame at the feet of the government.
I think you could blame the club somewhat. I'm pretty sure they could have stated they wanted it BCD much like other European ties that round. Not the actual people of Liverpool though (even if one admitted he went to the game feeding unwell and likely had coronavirus)
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Some common sense at last.
Liverpool were hosting the game. They have some responsibility too. Not sure why Athletico would have more.
Oh shit, I had it in mind that it was in Madrid. God that's embarrassing
Losing at home, I mean.
What possible logic can you have to blame Atletico, an away team, over the hosts of the game?
Blame governments yes but your Atletico comment is absolutely baffling.
Edit i see your admission of location error now
Hey go easy on me, I thought it was hosted in Madrid
I've amended the post now. Atletico are the least to blame. Both UK and Spanish governments should have been more sensible (in that order).
I think it is absolutely fine from an opposing view to openly hope that the season gets voided just so that Liverpool gets denied their title. Their fans have been unbearable for quite a while and from a rival perspective its completely legit to laugh about the possibility of them ending empty handed.
I think it is also fine to have legitimate reservations - irrespective of Liverpools position - of a league restart due to health, fairness or social reasons.
Blaming Liverpool F.C., however, for going ahead against Atletico with fans is a ludicrous stance. As others have pointed out, every instance of authority that could`ve intervened (UEFA, governments, etc.) failed to do so and there is no example of a club voluntarly closing their doors, so why point the finger at Liverpool? Just three days before, the whole of Europe with a couple of exemptions had football with packed stadiums and if not for Arteta and Hudson-Odoi the UK government would`ve given the green light to do the same the following weekend. There`s no club in the world who would have held that match without fans in this context. People who are happily jumping on the issue have a more sinister agenda than scousers who accuse Deeney of illegitimate proceedings, get a grip.
I think it is also fine to have legitimate reservations - irrespective of Liverpools position - of a league restart due to health, fairness or social reasons.
Blaming Liverpool F.C., however, for going ahead against Atletico with fans is a ludicrous stance. As others have pointed out, every instance of authority that could`ve intervened (UEFA, governments, etc.) failed to do so and there is no example of a club voluntarly closing their doors, so why point the finger at Liverpool? Just three days before, the whole of Europe with a couple of exemptions had football with packed stadiums and if not for Arteta and Hudson-Odoi the UK government would`ve given the green light to do the same the following weekend. There`s no club in the world who would have held that match without fans in this context. People who are happily jumping on the issue have a more sinister agenda than scousers who accuse Deeney of illegitimate proceedings, get a grip.
Their little mushroom dicks were hard for another famous European night in Anfield. If they won a lot of liverpool fans would be thinking those lives were well spent, give us the trophy and tell us we are the best of all time. cnuts.