No, I have been on here from the start on & off, but 282 pages of posts can have effect on the brain cells
Just hope the usual suspects don't start arguing about the differences between voiding, curtailing, abandoning etc
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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Just hope the usual suspects don't start arguing about the differences between voiding, curtailing, abandoning etc
South Korea is seeing another resurgence after reducing social restrictions. New cases today have reached a one-month high.
Germany is also reporting a small surge
Wuhan saw fresh cases of Covid-19 infection today after nearly five weeks.
The great Persian poet Rumi said this nearly 800 years ago (crude translation): “Greed makes man blind and foolish, and makes him an easy prey for death.”
Germany is also reporting a small surge
Wuhan saw fresh cases of Covid-19 infection today after nearly five weeks.
The great Persian poet Rumi said this nearly 800 years ago (crude translation): “Greed makes man blind and foolish, and makes him an easy prey for death.”
You pair of deviants
In 5 years time when saying a woman is attractive out loud is considered a hate crime, we'll be in a loooot of trouble.
But we'll bring you down with us!
Was it SK whose death count has stayed below 300 in total so far, and were being praised for a phenomenal effort so far? Or am I mixing that with someone else?
At least we had to google her.You pair of deviants
You ve her picture on your fridge like a successful school report
It's already criminal so find yourself in the book already my friend!
You've been watching me through my back window again? Let me just get something from the fridge
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...inal-promotion-places-coronavirus-crisis.html
A different view on how they might settle the leagues below the Premier!
Daily Mail, and no sources, but a bit different.
Award the standard auto places on normal PPG and have the 4 play off teams having 1 game playoffs.
While I still think that's questionable, it'd be a heck of a lot easier to facilitate than 9-10 games each.
Still fraught with issues, not least that Peterboro get squeezed out of the league 1 play off zone, despite being 3 points off 2nd. Their chairman is spitting feathers
A different view on how they might settle the leagues below the Premier!
Daily Mail, and no sources, but a bit different.
Award the standard auto places on normal PPG and have the 4 play off teams having 1 game playoffs.
While I still think that's questionable, it'd be a heck of a lot easier to facilitate than 9-10 games each.
Still fraught with issues, not least that Peterboro get squeezed out of the league 1 play off zone, despite being 3 points off 2nd. Their chairman is spitting feathers
Wow her daughter is the real deal
So what is your solution then? That we should stay in a state of perpetual lockdown for the next year or so and if people starve or economies crumble, then so be it?
Of course when social distancing restrictions or lockdowns are relaxed, cases will spike, it's inevitable, but we have to learn to live with it. The alternative is sitting at home while everyone's life's worth of hard work dissolves into nothingness.
If they really want to wait until what would have been next season to start again once it's reasonably safe then fine. I'd rather next season not be fecked as well but I understand it. If they want to cancel the league and award Pool the title or whatever system they prefer then fine - I would hate for the Scousers to get rewarded for their incessant whining but I'm tired of listening to them and they deserve the title (though it raises questions of consistency with promotion from the lower leagues).
Although if it was City who were 25 points clear absolutely noone would give a feck about restarting anytime soon, mark my words.
But starting anytime soon with how the UK has handled this crisis is insanely irresponsible and has literally no justification other than the greed of the PL chiefs. People's lives will be put in danger for no reason (why should Roy Hodgson risk his life to manage a football team??), teams will lose players due to infection, players could have long lasting effects from infection which affects their careers, etc. The PL higher-ups unending desire for money and the rabid Liverpool fanbase/media cheerleaders is actually going to create a fullblown disaster that destroys any illusion of safety or sporting integrity.
Although if it was City who were 25 points clear absolutely noone would give a feck about restarting anytime soon, mark my words.
But starting anytime soon with how the UK has handled this crisis is insanely irresponsible and has literally no justification other than the greed of the PL chiefs. People's lives will be put in danger for no reason (why should Roy Hodgson risk his life to manage a football team??), teams will lose players due to infection, players could have long lasting effects from infection which affects their careers, etc. The PL higher-ups unending desire for money and the rabid Liverpool fanbase/media cheerleaders is actually going to create a fullblown disaster that destroys any illusion of safety or sporting integrity.
Indeed. fecking delusions of grandeur.
Agree. Terrible name for what is a money grab. With the amount of Covid19 cases that the UK and London in particular has had, restarting seems very risky.
Haven't nearly 400 'young' people died so far in England?
Posts like these are ridiculous. What exactly did you expect? I'm sure all of those countries knew that the rate of infection would once again go up upon loosening of restrictions but those are things that they'll have to live and deal with. The world just can't grind to a halt until a vaccine comes out.
Everything you need to know about tomorrow’s crucial Project Restart meeting
Martyn Ziegler, Chief Sports Reporter thetimes.co.uk
5-6 minutes
Martyn Ziegler, Chief Sports Reporter thetimes.co.uk
5-6 minutes
What are the key items on the agenda at tomorrow’s Premier League meeting?
The main issues are Project Restart — the return to matches behind closed doors planned for June 12 — and the likely cost to the clubs of the Covid-19 crisis. The first task will be to agree upon the return-to-training protocol, which would allow squads to return in small groups as soon as next Monday, though this may have to be delayed. Players and staff must have daily temperature checks and twice-weekly tests for the virus. There will also be discussions about money owed to broadcasters if the season is completed behind closed doors or terminated.
Who is on the call?
Representatives of all 20 top-flight clubs, usually the chairman and the chief executive from each club, along with the Premier League board members, including the chief executive Richard Masters and the interim chairman Claudia Arney. Greg Clarke and Mark Bullingham, the FA chairman and chief executive respectively, will also be involved.
What will be voted on? How are the votes carried out and must the result be unanimous?
It looks as though there will not be a vote on Project Restart, but the meeting is going to go through the proposal for training to resume next Monday. This may not need a formal vote as no regulations will need to be changed, though there will have to be a vote at some point to allow matches to take place at neutral grounds. There will also be a vote on extending player contracts due to expire on June 30. Open ballots, rather than secret, are used and motions need a 14-6 majority to carry.
If the safety protocols are agreed, does that definitely mean that the Premier League will resume?
It is certainly an important step in that direction but there will still need to be a final agreement by the clubs over neutral grounds and issues such as insurance. The clubs will need to understand what claims they could be liable for if the matches go ahead while social distancing is still the norm for the rest of the country.
When will a decision be taken on neutral venues?
It had been expected that a vote on neutral venues and restarting the season would be taken today, but that has been put back. The most likely date is May 18 but that could be delayed further. Uefa’s deadline for leagues to confirm plans for either resuming the season or terminating it is on May 25.
What is the position of each club on neutral venues?
The bottom six clubs are broadly opposed to playing in neutral venues, claiming that it puts them at a disadvantage against the top teams. Representatives of the six clubs say they have another two clubs backing their position, which would allow them to block the proposal as 14 of the 20 clubs would have to be in favour for it to be passed. Most, if not all, of the “big six” clubs, and those teams out of relegation danger, such as Crystal Palace, Wolverhampton Wanderers and Sheffield United, have little to fear from playing the matches and are more worried about the potential loss of broadcast income caused by not playing the season out.
How will the positive test at Brighton & Hove Albion affect Project Restart?
Brighton and other clubs will demand that there is a clear plan in place to deal with scenarios in which one or more players test positive for the virus, and what effect that would have on others in the squad and the affected club’s matches.
When will the players get their say?
The Professional Footballers’ Association is in touch with the Premier League and has been sent the full return-to-training and return-to-match protocols to see if the union has any issues. There is also a teleconference, pencilled in for Thursday, of Premier League players and managers, the clubs’ medical staff and medical specialists aimed at addressing any safety concerns. The specialists are also expected to deal with queries that have been raised by the latest positive coronavirus test involving a Brighton player.
Is anything happening about the EFL and the Women’s Super League?
The EFL’s leadership and clubs are waiting to see the outcome of the Premier League meeting and any new advice from the government. It now looks certain that League Two and League One will not resume, barring a short play-off tournament, and there is increasing pressure from Championship clubs to follow that path too, even though the EFL’s official position is for the season to finish behind closed doors. The Women’s Super League is in a similar position and a decision will be taken once return-to-training and return-to-match protocols have been agreed.
The main issues are Project Restart — the return to matches behind closed doors planned for June 12 — and the likely cost to the clubs of the Covid-19 crisis. The first task will be to agree upon the return-to-training protocol, which would allow squads to return in small groups as soon as next Monday, though this may have to be delayed. Players and staff must have daily temperature checks and twice-weekly tests for the virus. There will also be discussions about money owed to broadcasters if the season is completed behind closed doors or terminated.
Who is on the call?
Representatives of all 20 top-flight clubs, usually the chairman and the chief executive from each club, along with the Premier League board members, including the chief executive Richard Masters and the interim chairman Claudia Arney. Greg Clarke and Mark Bullingham, the FA chairman and chief executive respectively, will also be involved.
What will be voted on? How are the votes carried out and must the result be unanimous?
It looks as though there will not be a vote on Project Restart, but the meeting is going to go through the proposal for training to resume next Monday. This may not need a formal vote as no regulations will need to be changed, though there will have to be a vote at some point to allow matches to take place at neutral grounds. There will also be a vote on extending player contracts due to expire on June 30. Open ballots, rather than secret, are used and motions need a 14-6 majority to carry.
If the safety protocols are agreed, does that definitely mean that the Premier League will resume?
It is certainly an important step in that direction but there will still need to be a final agreement by the clubs over neutral grounds and issues such as insurance. The clubs will need to understand what claims they could be liable for if the matches go ahead while social distancing is still the norm for the rest of the country.
When will a decision be taken on neutral venues?
It had been expected that a vote on neutral venues and restarting the season would be taken today, but that has been put back. The most likely date is May 18 but that could be delayed further. Uefa’s deadline for leagues to confirm plans for either resuming the season or terminating it is on May 25.
What is the position of each club on neutral venues?
The bottom six clubs are broadly opposed to playing in neutral venues, claiming that it puts them at a disadvantage against the top teams. Representatives of the six clubs say they have another two clubs backing their position, which would allow them to block the proposal as 14 of the 20 clubs would have to be in favour for it to be passed. Most, if not all, of the “big six” clubs, and those teams out of relegation danger, such as Crystal Palace, Wolverhampton Wanderers and Sheffield United, have little to fear from playing the matches and are more worried about the potential loss of broadcast income caused by not playing the season out.
How will the positive test at Brighton & Hove Albion affect Project Restart?
Brighton and other clubs will demand that there is a clear plan in place to deal with scenarios in which one or more players test positive for the virus, and what effect that would have on others in the squad and the affected club’s matches.
When will the players get their say?
The Professional Footballers’ Association is in touch with the Premier League and has been sent the full return-to-training and return-to-match protocols to see if the union has any issues. There is also a teleconference, pencilled in for Thursday, of Premier League players and managers, the clubs’ medical staff and medical specialists aimed at addressing any safety concerns. The specialists are also expected to deal with queries that have been raised by the latest positive coronavirus test involving a Brighton player.
Is anything happening about the EFL and the Women’s Super League?
The EFL’s leadership and clubs are waiting to see the outcome of the Premier League meeting and any new advice from the government. It now looks certain that League Two and League One will not resume, barring a short play-off tournament, and there is increasing pressure from Championship clubs to follow that path too, even though the EFL’s official position is for the season to finish behind closed doors. The Women’s Super League is in a similar position and a decision will be taken once return-to-training and return-to-match protocols have been agreed.
Another Nostradamus!
SK opened clubs and bars but then Seoul mayor immediately closed them again after these new cases so clearly they had a bit different expectations.
Agreed, but people are quite rightly saying that premier league football stopping for a few months more doesn't constitute the world coming to a halt.
Well you can open whatever you want but if people don't feel safe they just won't go there. I believe that's what's happening in Texas right now.
Another childish post. I'd like to see some of you who love demonizing the need to seek money in real life and see how utterly disinterested you lots are in money.
Of course one of the many reasons to try and restart the league is due to money, money such as TV deals which they've already paid clubs and without it some clubs won't be able to run properly. That same money that is needed to keep the league alive. But of course the league is evil for thinking about the financial impact that would be caused by abandoning everything.
Sometimes I think people just want to jump on some bandwagons and just queue in and complain about whatever is being moaned about at the time.
The least damaging option is that we don't have any more deaths and not go forward with playing football and in the process do exactly that.
And for each one who's not going there are so many Americans desperate to get back to work because the losses they are incurring are life-damaging. Similarly, I am here in India and again there are millions desperate to get back to work because sitting at home with no salary is destroying so many of us.
If I understand Boris correct, no football can be played soon. Some of you got that impression?
Sounds to me June is possible if the R doesn't increase again.
But with him saying people can go back to work it will. Because employers are going to force everyone back which will result in public transport being full again as most people have no choice.
Did say anyone who can work at home still should.
It's how many can't but will go back that is the test
I don't think he cares about football, which is a big indicator in itself. Other countries like Italy and Germany have commented on their leagues directly. I think Boris has basically just told us football is not special and will not be treated as such.
He also confirmed the UK is about a month/6 weeks behind continental Europe, who have still not restarted any of their leagues.
Reading between the lines of Spaffers statement its hard to see how the PL returns within UEFA's deadlines for this season. The messaging for the public is also getting more complex which could see more people purposely or inadvertently breaking SD rules which could see the R number increase. Stay Alert is the most stupid fecking slogan for something you can't see.
What about stopping this season now then start next season with all the clubs on the points they've got now.
At least this seasons points will have an effect.
Not saying it's a good idea, just another way of doing it!
At least this seasons points will have an effect.
Not saying it's a good idea, just another way of doing it!
It doesn't matter the semantics. All that matters is employers a lot of them will most likely tell there employees it's time to come back.
Sure before the full lockdown when the same suggestion was being used my company had us all in working even though we could work from home.
Unless forced employers won't care.
Regardless of whether it can or can’t according to legislation, I think this has dashed any hopes of it happening. They’ve opted for a rollercoaster future where we are in and out of lockdown. There’s no way in hell there’s going to be a window long enough to complete any matches like this.
They might leave the window open for 3 rounds of games - enough for Liverpool* to get gifted the league.
100% true . These god damn dipper fans are starting to really piss me off .. People's health is more fecking important than a game of football ..If Liverpool get awarded a title good if football is cancelled good of its voided good ..
I couldn't give one toss about football atm
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So that the maths will have spoken™
Yeah its horrible when people only pop in here to moan.
The only part of football I care about at the moment is ensuring the survival of 100-1000's little clubs down the English Pyramid who are likely to go under if this drags on for long. Not a few bloated Premiership parasites who should have managed their finances better. If PL really believes starting the league is about integrity why don't they & Sky announce all the TV money owed goes instead to the sides down the pyramid. Unfortunately, pigs might fly. Though both Manchester sides & Liverpool might agree for different reasons.
Once you're asking:
So that we, hopefully, finally get rid of a few Liverpool* fans, especially those who are doing their best to take over our United (13 - 20) forum.
Maybe we can then put up a notice saying: Come back when you win 20 leagues.
Great post. Its the smaller clubs that get forgotten in all of this. Without them there is no grassroots and lots of communities may lose the heart of soul of their area.
Not forgetting that every football match would require medical staff to be present and probably police as well. That would really go down well with the general public.