Does the FA have authority to 'force' all teams to play if the league resumes? I feel like not all the teams will actually agree with it and if They have the right to reject, what happens if They decide not to turn up? let the opponent get three points? will turn out to the be most unfair Premier League in history.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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Now you do make a valid point but giving city's example just makes your whole point null and void. It's not like you guys have some loud fans who intimidate oppositions.
As far as I know it will all go to a vote. If 14 out of the 20 teams vote for whatever proposal is finally put forward they will go with that.
If one of the teams voted against it and werent in favour refuses to participate then its likely the PL will have some recourse against them. Whether that is a punishment (Points deduction or something) or legal action, who knows.
If the Government and FA decides it's safe to play then they obviously have to turn up.
Times was reporting today that as many as 7/8 clubs have concerns, so it could be a close vote.
I do think relegation candidates are chancing their arms. They may not get home advantage but they dont have away disadvantage neither.
Maybe they did earlier in the season
I thought no relegation was brought up after this idea of only 10 stadiums came about. There were plenty of BCD games around Europe before and never heard clubs talking about it then and it's been proposed for a long time in resumption, only now with this idea of a closed environment tournament style at possibly 10 stadiums has it come up and completely understand the ask for no relegation in this format. If clubs are now against playing BCD at their own stadium then fair enough.
If we have to start next season behind closed doors, then in the name of fairness the entire season should be played that way. Which it will probably have to be anyway even if it starts months late.
Cup football can be made to work but the integrity of league football is screwed by any current solution.
Assuming the vaccine arrives on time, league football will resume properly no earlier than August 2021. Until then, it’s just glorified friendlies.
Cup football can be made to work but the integrity of league football is screwed by any current solution.
Assuming the vaccine arrives on time, league football will resume properly no earlier than August 2021. Until then, it’s just glorified friendlies.
One idea I saw suggested is simply changing the format of the league for next year. For example, having two separate 10 team groups with those at the top and bottom of each group then entering into play-offs for the championship, CL/EL places and relegation.
What would ye think of changes that drastic?
What would ye think of changes that drastic?
I think they will consider all options for next season including this one. If it was done on a regional basis to minimise travelling then it may have some merit.
Northern Group
Newcastle
Sheffield utd
Man Utd
Man City
Liverpool
Everton
Burnley
Wolves
Leicester
Villa
Southern group
the rest
Yikes, that Northern group is a bit of a group of death, isn't it?
The reasons will be different for every person. My Mum can't leave the house obviously because she's been advised to stay in because of her age and health. But she's even wary of sitting in the front garden, for me personally despite my precautions i am very concerned about catching the virus. But more from the point of view that i don't want to give it to my Mum and to others.
Yep, and together with all the London teams in the same group it would possibly mean a derby of some type every match day.
Edit - imagine it with Leeds as well
Erm yes it can be, based on the argument being put forward to the people I was responding to. All what you’re saying has been covered a thousand times over. But fine we’ll go over them again.
How exactly are they trying to have separate rules to everyone else? They’re literally taking every single precaution they can to get things going in the safest possible way which is the whole end game of this for everyone once the government allow businesses to open again.
I don’t get the 1000 tickets thing? Is that meant to be a criticism? Noel Gallagher is giving away tickets to a gig of his, every food giant is giving out free food to the NHS. Is it that you think that’s all they’ve done? Because they haven’t, they donated millions to the NHS after being attacked for no reason by the media. Because apparently footballers are the only rich people in the country.
Why are you taking about Sainsburys? I’m aware of the difference between an essential supermarket and PL football. I spoke about McDonalds, which is not the same at all.
Football does finance itself and it’s margins are quite small due to the amount footballers at the top level get paid. If the PL are going to finance the lower league over the course of the next year or two to keep them afloat whilst BCD becomes permanent they obviously have to financially secure themselves. Or are we expecting premier league footballers to take money out of their own pocket to keep the lower leagues afloat?
As for the last bit, for the 100th time the PL are not taking supplies from the NHS. The government is solely responsible for providing the emergency services with supply. The question should be why are the Pl more competent than the government?
And as for your moral code, emergency services have been struggling for years, with inadequate pay, resources, staff, medical care etc ( I should know I work in it) This isn’t new. The corona virus has brought things to the forefront which is a positive in amongst the shit because now maybe people will take more notice. But if you think football and the Pl are the people we should be holding to account you are gravely mistaken. Please, blame the right people.
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This!!
It is becoming even more obvious why they want to play the rest (or part) of the Season at all costs and we all know why.
Ridiculous concoctions to gift the title to Liverpool*
Hopefully you're right, that'll be no. 20 in the bag.
If you are honest then you have to admit that talking about a gift in this context is pretty ridiculous. Liverpool believes (as anyone would in their situation) that they already won it so how can you gift them something they already have? Yeah I know mathematically it's still possible but let's be real here. I mean would you say that United was "gifted" a PL place next year because they avoided relegation if the season was cancelled? Again Liverpool is one of the only teams that will gain nothing and can only lose.
Again; you seem confused; i'll break it down for you
1) Businesses will return with SD in place; football is looking to break that during matches. So, allowing football to return with separate rules is a fact, to suggest otherwise is folly.
2) You say they're taking every precaution; they're looking to take reactive steps. In other words; a) your comments/assumption on the basis that all facts about the virus are know, when they're not. b) that testing is preventative, when it is reactive.
3) Finances; you talk of revenue. I'm talking cost and revenue. Supermarkets and MDs use the majority of their revenue to pay for goods and services further up the supply chain. In other words, their revenue isn't captured and distribute to their workers like football. BCD means match day revenue is lost, all the additional revenue capturing activity, for support businesses, doesn't exist. Footballs revenue is centralised to the few.
4) Resources; you can't have a match without NHS staff and resources; which includes PPE etc etc. As for tests, there is a shortage of testing centres, please don't' say there isn't displacement. Any profit maximising testing centre will move to those that will benefit them most, PL is increasing competition.
5) 1000 tickets; you believe that the responsibility for the NHS is the governments. When the responsibility is everyone's, in part, paid through our tax's. In an environment when PL is seeking separate rules, which means you need NHS at games, I find the level a nd type of help from the PL at best questionable. I didn't question some footballers, just the PL. Come on; were those tickets free for the PL?
We have different views; i find what the PL is proposing is immoral. They seem to want different rules, use resources, give nothing back and keep the money.
These clubs talking about a lack of a home advantage....do they think playing in your own empty ground would be much different?
I hope they just void it already. It’s obvious the league will not be resuming. If the bottom 6 clubs vote to block ’Project Restart’ as it’s being reported then it’s curtains. Personally for us it‘s very very frustrating as we still had so much to play for.
1/2. No, incorrect, in a lot of jobs you cannot social distance, it is impossible. You can do as much as you can but it is physically impossible, for example working in a Mcd’s, being a barber, playing football. There is no full proof way of being completely safe and there never ever ever ever will be. The minute this is accepted and we stop going down ‘what if’s’ only then can we actually continue. And again you cannot spread a virus that you don’t have.The Pl is investing in highly advanced, expensive and fast result producing accurate testing kit. There is literally nothing more they can do to be safer short of putting player in giant plastic balls.
3. Supermarkets are essential, McDonalds is not. McDonald’s is a billion dollar profit organisation who routinely brag about the money they make yet their staff are on mediocre wages and work in poor, impossible to socially distant conditions. They unlike the PL will not take anywhere near the same measures at protecting their staff. That is why I originally mentioned them, let’s not get so deep into the specifics of revenue and expenditure.
4. resources .The Uk has continually ranked amongst the lowest in testing, appearing like a third world country whilst football has been suspended. You’ve got countries openly telling the world “we have half a million unused kit” . And we have people in this country on this forum somehow attributing lack of kit/testing to the football(that isn’t even being played and hasn’t for 7 weeks), do you not see how completely ridiculous and absurd this is? Do you think this goes on in any other country?
It’s great being outraged at the state of affairs and taking a moral stand but if it’s directed at the wrong people, it’s meaningless.
The Pl literally have a club that designated their stadium for NHS staff to be tested.
5. The PL contribute billions in tax to the economy. How are you not aware of this? And yes it everyone’s responsibility to pay for the Nhs but it is the governments responsibility to use that money to provide the adequate materials for the emergency services to use which they have failed to do. I know I’ve mentioned this before but our government a few weeks ago spent millions on kit that didn’t work. It’s embarrassing.
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I don't think so - it needs to be agreed on by a vast majority of clubs if I'm not mistaken. I don't see this happening, can see a couple clubs being against neutral venues already (West Ham, Brighton). Big name players are also coming out generally against the idea of finishing the league ahead of time (Augero, Laporte).
FA can huff and puff with ideas all they want, but they need pretty much everyone backing it for it to work and I honestly don't see such a vast majority being on board with any idea before the deadline.
Yes, because players are more familiar with their home pitch more than any other. Some are slightly narrower, some slightly wider etc. The familiarity helps with an edge.
Playing at home isn’t just about the fans. Players have a mental map, based on features in the stadiums that let them know exactly where they are on the pitch; particularly important for strikers with their back to goal or deadball experts. Then there’s all the other stuff, basic creature comforts and routine that make it easier to concentrate and get “in the zone”; things like your own position in the changing room, where everything is located etc.
I wonder if Herrera aimed for the car park
Really, REALLY hope its cancelled.
Need to get plans for next season in place...potentially starting it a couple of weeks earlier, and losing the league cup to avoid a build up of games in case of cancellations.
I hope that we as a club aren't supportive of the plans to finish the season, same goes for City.
Need to get plans for next season in place...potentially starting it a couple of weeks earlier, and losing the league cup to avoid a build up of games in case of cancellations.
I hope that we as a club aren't supportive of the plans to finish the season, same goes for City.
So if that is the case then surely none of the testing capacity that exists within the country should be diverted away from key workers and towards non essential workers like footballers and their support staff then?
For those who think the home advantage doesn't mean anything, it's been quantified multiple times. From the article below there is a 16% higher chance of winning home vs. away. With 10 games left, that's 1 or 2 wins per team that might not happen.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...rts-bust-common-football-myths-home-advantage
https://www.skysports.com/football/...rts-bust-common-football-myths-home-advantage
City will most likely be in support. They have breached FFP and will need the revenue. they have one of the biggest wage bills as well.
By that theory any disadvantage (purely in terms of ground) will be made up by "away" fixtures.
Only if you start the competition again
No it won't. Some teams had more home games left, some had more away fixtures v. top 6 etc. It won't totally even out over 10 games and that's the problem. Some will be getting an advantage.
Yes and that's why i said in terms of ground. The major problem about the neutral venue idea is that a side like Brighton now have to play Utd, Liverpool, City at a neutral venue instead of the Amex - having already played at Anfield, Old Trafford and the Etihad.
agreed -see my last reply.
Home games with a crowd yes. Home games with no crowd probably less so.
I dunno. In a scenario like this I'd like to be somewhere I feel comfortable such as my home dressing room and a ground I feel familiar in whether there is a crowd or not. All of that plays to advantage too. There are also some clubs that design their home dressing room to be excellent and the away dressing room shite to put the opposing team off.
Apparently Wolves returning to training on Monday. Not sure why they would do this unless they feel fairly confident about the PL starting again. There should be no reason for them to return to that unless football is coming back.
Exactly. So how can it be fair that some teams eg Bournemouth got to play Chelsea at home with a crowd and get a 2-2 draw, but their relegation rivals Villa and West Ham will have to play them at home without a crowd. Or even worse in some neutral venue. Home advantage is a real thing and some teams had it already, and some won't be able to get it.
This works to our benefit ? We have 5 away games and only 4 home games. Playing Palace, VIlla, Spurs and Leicester at a neutral ground could benefit us.