Think most of us are past caring about who wins the winning league, bigger things to worry about than football at the moment.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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Think most of us are past caring about who wins the winning league, bigger things to worry about than football at the moment.
Yeah, to be honest, the only way to keep everyone happy, and feeling completely safe and keep all clubs afloat is if Premier League/high end championship players take pay cuts and let their money filter down through the football league.
That way you can take an indefinite break from football and still have football to come back to say in 12-18 months time. Chances of this happening ? Zero. Though FFP has been squashed for this season at least hasn’t it?
Honestly I have no idea how in the world would they even think of resuming the competition. Way too many concerns, question marks.
Scenario 1: Null and Void
Probably the most straight forward option
If they are to do that, they will need to atleast ensure 2 automatic promotions from Championship still take place. Else, they are opening up to lawsuits. Championship clubs like Leeds have invested in their side and would have budgeted with assumption that they'd get promoted in next 2 or 3 seasons. CL qualification on UEFA coefficients.
Scenario 2a: Use current league table as final
The issue here is the relegation argument. Teams will bring up that argument especially as everyone has played different quality of opposition. Similar issue will arise on the other side of the table as well. SHU will claim that they've played a game less and should be considered for CL, Utd can claim that we have the easiest run in, Arsenal wouldn't be happy with their position as well
Scnario 2b: Use current table as final but no relegations
The issue would still remain as to which teams go to CL and EL
Scenario 3: Play out the season
I'm not sure how this is even remotely possible. One positive test and the training facility is closed down, teams are placed in quarantine. Even if that doesn't happen half the players would reject risking their health for this. Integrity of the competition is no longer a valid argument as it is. Teams will complain about home advantage and ticket sales and all.
Teams that are fearing relegation have also raised voice against this method and the only way the bottom 7-8 teams will vote in this favour is if they are guaranteed that no one gets relegated. If that happens, you'd see the players from these teams reject the chance to train/play which means that the last 9 games of bottom 8-10 teams would be friendlies!
Scenario 1: Null and Void
Probably the most straight forward option
If they are to do that, they will need to atleast ensure 2 automatic promotions from Championship still take place. Else, they are opening up to lawsuits. Championship clubs like Leeds have invested in their side and would have budgeted with assumption that they'd get promoted in next 2 or 3 seasons. CL qualification on UEFA coefficients.
Scenario 2a: Use current league table as final
The issue here is the relegation argument. Teams will bring up that argument especially as everyone has played different quality of opposition. Similar issue will arise on the other side of the table as well. SHU will claim that they've played a game less and should be considered for CL, Utd can claim that we have the easiest run in, Arsenal wouldn't be happy with their position as well
Scnario 2b: Use current table as final but no relegations
The issue would still remain as to which teams go to CL and EL
Scenario 3: Play out the season
I'm not sure how this is even remotely possible. One positive test and the training facility is closed down, teams are placed in quarantine. Even if that doesn't happen half the players would reject risking their health for this. Integrity of the competition is no longer a valid argument as it is. Teams will complain about home advantage and ticket sales and all.
Teams that are fearing relegation have also raised voice against this method and the only way the bottom 7-8 teams will vote in this favour is if they are guaranteed that no one gets relegated. If that happens, you'd see the players from these teams reject the chance to train/play which means that the last 9 games of bottom 8-10 teams would be friendlies!
Void this season and start next season , if situation allows, with same points as now. So a (near) double season if you like. For me it seems the fairest concept. It allows teams with advantageous positions to keep the advantage. Works across all leagues.
I havn’t heard this option discussed anywhere but for me it is logical and fair?
I havn’t heard this option discussed anywhere but for me it is logical and fair?
What is going on with that story about Kalou? The team was in training, everyone was confirmed as negative and he’s been suspended for shaking hands with team mates (breaking social distancing rules). How do they think footballers are training without breaking social distancing rules.
I remember very well thank you very much
But the chances of the comeback back then were obviously higher than the chances of Liverpool blowing a 22-25 point lead with 9 games to go. The good news for you is that "if" Liverpool win then it will be in the most anticlimax fashion ever so theres no need for you or anybody else to add to that with the myth of the gifted win because nobody who has a bit of objectivity will buy that anyway.I think that's the correct decision considering the state the world is in right now.
So you also think the same for the PL?
Wouldn't surprise me. As the saying goes: Liverpool FC, ashamed of nothing, offended by everything.
In Germany 10 players have tested positive to Covid 19.
Anja Stahmann, chairwoman of German’s state ministers for sport, called for “the greatest possible transparency” from the DFL.
She also added fuel to the debate about whether the league should resume.
“In public, people are rightly saying - ‘why should football resume behind locked doors yet religious services are still banned?’,” the Bremen-based politician told Deutschlandfunk radio.
“Why are playgrounds closed and millionaires allowed to play football?!''
Anja Stahmann, chairwoman of German’s state ministers for sport, called for “the greatest possible transparency” from the DFL.
She also added fuel to the debate about whether the league should resume.
“In public, people are rightly saying - ‘why should football resume behind locked doors yet religious services are still banned?’,” the Bremen-based politician told Deutschlandfunk radio.
“Why are playgrounds closed and millionaires allowed to play football?!''
Just combine this season with the next.
= Season 19/21*
Cancel both league cup and FA cup.
Focus on leagues, to finish up the remaining matches.
One game for every 15 days, with plenty of strict health precaution rules.
However!
Carry it on only after at least a month has passed, 30 consecutive days of no new c19 incidents in the whole country.
The problem with that is that the players are paid wages for 2 years, however the TV income and the stadium income is over 38 games only and not 76 games.
Why cancel The FA cup. The oldest competition? Big no.
It is never good idea to combine two seasons. Should we just play 10 games in a year? It will never go. You either cancel without winners or you cancel with Liverpool as winners. I prefer the second solution because mathematically the havn't won. Just given. Ghost titel.
I'm just curious why all the safety measures in Germany as we have read. Some realy wierd one when they can and will be all over eachother for 90 minutes?
As I didn't get any answers from play football now-people I will try again. I have couple of question to those who still want this PL season to be played. If we don't talk about moral point of view or death/survival/risk in general here are some questions.
What do you do with The FA cup?
What do you do with Champions League/Europa League?
What do you do with Championship, League One and levels under?
What do you do with contracts that expire in 1 month time?
What do you do with transfers? Do already agreed players get to play?
What do you do with sponsorship? For example there are some changes by clubs a certain date. From one manufactor to another.
How do you actually apply social distancing (if the rule is still there) in games? No touching? Corners? Walls?
How is it okey to play on neutral ground and take away home advantage?
When is it okey to get people inside stadium? And how many?
When does the time expire to finish this season if you don't want to ruin next season aswell?
What do you do with The FA cup?
What do you do with Champions League/Europa League?
What do you do with Championship, League One and levels under?
What do you do with contracts that expire in 1 month time?
What do you do with transfers? Do already agreed players get to play?
What do you do with sponsorship? For example there are some changes by clubs a certain date. From one manufactor to another.
How do you actually apply social distancing (if the rule is still there) in games? No touching? Corners? Walls?
How is it okey to play on neutral ground and take away home advantage?
When is it okey to get people inside stadium? And how many?
When does the time expire to finish this season if you don't want to ruin next season aswell?
What's the point of it if it's meaningless games played in empty stadiums? Fans can't even get together and enjoy the game in the pub or whatever. OK, you can get together with your mates in the house to watch it, but it's not really the same atmosphere and having no crowd noise doesn't help. This is not football.
The ruling doesn't allow that currently.
Only point is getting the full TV deal dosh by hook or by crook.
This is the most damaging option. I'd say the chances of this happening are close to 0% due to the amount of legal action this would cause.
Religious services have resumed and playgrounds are open.
Did he carry on after his thread ban from the Covid thread ?
Edit. Sorry I wrote this out yesterday and got distracted, must of saved as a draft.
What do you think would be the least damaging option ? Unbiased answer please.
here's mine.I would say cancel everything and try to start a fresh for next season, if possible. Let's face it there isn't going to be any European football, let's just get the league and cups up and running for next season.
Finish the season with the current table, believe or not. No use unnecessarily putting people's lives and wellbeing just for something as trivial as football.
Personally, after all the posturing United have done in support of the NHS and all that, I'm disappointed that we are one of the clubs who are in favour of restarting the season.
Sack this season off. Null & Void the fecker. No champions. No relegation. Get everything in place to restart the 20/21 season as best they can with an actual rule on what happens if any future season ends due to a pandemic. Unlikely to be any European games this calendar year so restart the CL and EL fixtures in March 2021 from where they left off in March 2020 () although UEFA’s statement on awarding next years places on ‘sporting merit’ could scupper this.
) although UEFA’s statement on awarding next years places on ‘sporting merit’ could scupper this.I didn't ban him but I believe he did elsewhere.
Irrelevant unless you have a plan to work out top 3 and relegation spots too
Glenn Murray talking sense. BCD shouldn’t even be an option discussed
If the season can't finish behind closed doors then you have to base it on the current table? Unless you have a better solution?
A Danish study suggest that the chances to get infected by the virus on a football pitch is low.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.26.20080614v1.full.pdf+html
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.26.20080614v1.full.pdf+html
Football should not restart until September providing we are out of the worst part of this virus. I couldn't care less if they awarded Pool the title but you have to uphold everything else like relagtion and promotions across every devision, it cant be one rule for some and another for the others.
If they are going to scrap relegation there is very little to play for and makes the whole concept of playing behind doors even less needed.
Finish the season based on the current table, then start preparing for a watered down version of next season, e.g no League cup, Community Shield etc.
Again, please refer to post #9922 and #9943.
I keep explaining that testing is a diagnostic tool, not a precaution. How is it supposed to reduce the risk of transmission? Are you suggesting doing scans every day could lower the risk of getting cancer? Yes, testing in an industry alone (except healthcare) is ineffective in controlling the spread and it makes no difference at all.
What I'm asking is that how can you be so sure that you don't have the virus. According to WHO, the sensitivity of rapid tests ranges from 34% to 80%, and even with the best ones, 80% is far from ideal. So you've got to develop a rapid kit with 100% sensitivity, or you are just crossing your fingers hoping the players don't fall into the 20%.
https://www.who.int/news-room/comme...t-of-care-immunodiagnostic-tests-for-covid-19
As a healthcare professional I feel obligated to clear the misleading information about testing. Testing aims to screen potential transmission in high risk individuals (i.e. people with symptoms, those with close contacts with a confirmed COVID-19 patient, healthcare professionals). We are looking for positive cases so that we can manage them, not negative cases so that we feel safe and do whatever we want.
The actual point of testing is for epidemiological study so that the government can have a better picture about the rate of transmission, make estimation and tighten/loosen the measures accordingly. A single negative result is meaningless and not indicative, you should only feel happy when the absolute majority of the society is tested negative and that's the time for us to go out.
I don't need the look for the Internet as I work in this field and I know all the kits, their advantages and disadvantages. I actually wonder how your plan works, are you suggesting the Premier League to outsource the testing, or it sets up a lab on his own and does all the testing itself?
Jesus christ, we are 5 days into May and the teams haven't even got a date as to when training resumes.
This season is done. It will take teams 4 weeks to even get prepared again, let alone fit all the remaining games in before July.
Ifs buts and maybe's and Fifa/Uefa can talk as much shit as they want, but do you think that any club will be paying wages past 30 June 2020 to player if their contract has expired? If for example, Alexis Sanchez contract ran out at the end of this season, do people really think United would just keep paying his wage for an extra few weeks? Like feck they would. They can't wait for that bloke to get out the fecking door.
Seasons over. This is literally posturing by the Premier League in attempt to demonstrate they are trying to mitigate loss so that the TV deals don't collapse.
This season is done. It will take teams 4 weeks to even get prepared again, let alone fit all the remaining games in before July.
Ifs buts and maybe's and Fifa/Uefa can talk as much shit as they want, but do you think that any club will be paying wages past 30 June 2020 to player if their contract has expired? If for example, Alexis Sanchez contract ran out at the end of this season, do people really think United would just keep paying his wage for an extra few weeks? Like feck they would. They can't wait for that bloke to get out the fecking door.
Seasons over. This is literally posturing by the Premier League in attempt to demonstrate they are trying to mitigate loss so that the TV deals don't collapse.
I agree with your wider point but I don't really understand why players contracts is a big problem?
Surely clubs just release the players they want to release. And offer new deals or short terms contracts to the ones they want to keep.
In your example United can just let Alexis go and continue without him, surely?
Pull names from a hat to decide, the champions, Euro spots and who gets relegated.
Thats about as fair as deciding them based on an unfinished season where every team hasn't even played the same amount of games.
Seems like you're trying to argue one point with separate things I've mentioned. Still not sure why you're talking about cancer again, I didnt suggest testing for cancer everyday lowers the risk. As a healthcare professional I have to say i'm slightly surprised at the comparison. If you have five cancer patients and five without cancer and they mingle all together, you testing or not testing them isn't going to change the fact the five without cancer will not be getting infected with cancer due to mixing with the five cancer patients because cancer doesn't work like that. If you have five corona patients and five without corona and they mingle together, if you test and find positives you would stop them for mingling and therefore lessen the chance of spread, whereas if you let them mingle without testing the five without corona could then be infected with corona.
The Bundesliga just tested all their players and they've found ten infected players. Those players will now stay away. Had they not tested these players and let them mix with the others, the likelihood of transmission would be greater, no? because there'd be infected players mingling with those not infected. I mean isn't this all just logic?
Even if testing isn't 100% accurate, if enough people who have it and are found positive and are kept away this will still contribute to a lesser overall spread even if you have false negatives, how can this make no difference at all? when you've got a load of tested positive people self isolating. Isn't this what every country in the world has been doing? Saying a single negative result is meaningless is like saying a single vote is meaningless.
Weirdly, none of this was actually relevant to my main point and that's because the PL are going to be using the best available equipment whereas somewhere like Mcdonalds wont. Mcdonald's can give their staff all the gloves and masks they want but if they're not testing them then working in that environment will carry a greater risk of transmission than a football pitch will. How long do you think Mcd's staff can work in tightly congested hot kitchen before sweating and needing to remove their mask? How many staff members will unknowingly touch their face, nose or mouth and then go on to touch the chip pan handle? the till? that weird machine that squirts mcflurry's. Now of course none of this would matter if there was nobody infected (and I know you said otherwise but I'm gonna go with my instinct and say a person who is NOT infected with a virus CANNOT infect another person with said virus, because they don't have it....) but how would they ever know anyway when they're not testing anyone? Well apart from taking their temperature.
Also do you think I'm making this up or something about the equipment
https://www.cambridgeindependent.co...-as-it-tests-staff-seven-days-a-week-9107468/
https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news...by-cambridge-team-to-be-deployed-in-hospitals
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-of-securing-covid-19-testing-kits-for-return
You wonder how my plan works? It's not my plan , I'm a person on the internet, I just recycle crap I read online and then try and use logic and common sense to come to a final opinion, I have little say in what happens and my knowledge is basic at best, I do not have the overall blueprint for the PL's plans. But what I do know is those plans will have little or no effect on the governments capabilities to get the rest of the country in order and that was my actual point from the get go, now its spiralled into territory that it needn't.
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How about the finishing the seasons with penalty shootouts only.
Basically condense the last 9-10 games into simple penalty shootouts.
It could probably be finished within a week and wouldn't require too much match fitness.
On the 1st day back Ole and the lads could travel down to North London and bag 3 points in a quick shootout with spurs, then head south to Brighton (another 3 points) and finally head back to Manchester to have one final shootout with Bournemouth and call it a night. Potentially 9 points in a day and not too much to physically wear out the players. I'm sure they'd be raring to go again the day after tomorrow, in 3 more cities, potentially.
I'm sure some environmentalists will be criticising the carbon footprints of the clubs due to all the mileage but its doable.
Flabbergasted that this hasn't been suggested yet.
Hehe
Basically condense the last 9-10 games into simple penalty shootouts.
It could probably be finished within a week and wouldn't require too much match fitness.
On the 1st day back Ole and the lads could travel down to North London and bag 3 points in a quick shootout with spurs, then head south to Brighton (another 3 points) and finally head back to Manchester to have one final shootout with Bournemouth and call it a night. Potentially 9 points in a day and not too much to physically wear out the players. I'm sure they'd be raring to go again the day after tomorrow, in 3 more cities, potentially.
I'm sure some environmentalists will be criticising the carbon footprints of the clubs due to all the mileage but its doable.
Flabbergasted that this hasn't been suggested yet.
Hehe
Youre not factoring in players that don't want to sign new contracts due to risk of injury? Can be extremely harmful for a team thats fighting relegation or promotion where players just up ship and go.