I expect some wag has suggested the football manager people set the exact data of what's happened so far, then simulate the rest of the season out.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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There has been increasing speculation on Serie A resuming training from May 4th but the Health Minister put a bit of a stop to that this morning. He was being badgered about it in a press conference and basically said with 400 deaths a day football is the government's last priority. Cases haven't dropped as quickly as they would have liked and only important industries like manufacturing have any hope of starting on that date, and with extremely tight rules that would not be practical in football.
The UK is about 2 weeks behind Italy and looks like it might be getting worse.
The UK is about 2 weeks behind Italy and looks like it might be getting worse.
Yep. Not surprising in the slightest.
Like, how?
I can't imagine public gatherings will be allowed again or that pubs will just be able to open without a restriction on attendance inside.
It doesn’t mention the word public; 6 mates getting together to watch in one house over a few tins & a bbq is just as good a way to spread this as by going to a pub.
As expected really.
Over the last few days some wanted people with Nicola Sturgeon's views banned. The greater reality appears the 2021/22 season..
Yes, and 6 mates getting together to have a few tins & a bbq would definitely not be happening if no football was on...
If people wanna get together, they simply will - and getting together at home, I'd imagine, will be allowed long before football is back. I agree that a football game could be one of a thousand incentives to get together at someone's home, but if you don't equally stop the other 999, it won't make the difference you're looking for.
Bundesliga restart on 9 May very likely now. For the first time high-ranking politicians (Germany's health minister as well as the PMs of the two biggest states Bavaria and NRW) have given their OK.
What about Germany's rules on no more than 2 people being allowed in a social gathering ? Wouldn't that scupper any chances of football starting, even behind closed doors ?
It will surely be behind closed doors until a Vaccine is found?
It wouldn't be a 'social gathering' in that sense. Loads of people go to work every day and are in contact with a lot more than one other person. Also, teams are already training in groups of up to 12 players.
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This issue isn't just about players, the staff and unnecessary use of NHS staff. There has been an outcry for lighting balloons.. ... On speaking to my son, he's of the view pubs will have backdoor gathering. Those type of covert gatherings, e.g. dinner parties, have been seen to spread the virus.
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Have fun and get drunk, a thousand times over.
If you don't think people will get together at their homes the very instant it's allowed again, regardless of football, then I don't know what to tell you. But believe me, they will. Especially since it'll probably be allowed much sooner than pubs re-opening.
That could be years away, forget Sport there's no way many businesses (pubs, restaurants etc) will be able to survive that long. Social distancing will be lifted in the next 6 months and at that point they may as well let people back into stadiums
Turn your Liverpool vision off for a minute. More people would be gathering and mess up weeks of lockdown. Football shouldn't be back until it's properly safe, you know this. There would be more incentive for people to gather, even the most deluded scouser would admit that. The people would gather regardless argument is transparent, you just want to get the points needs to lift the league but be honest. That's fair enough, Liverpool deserve too but don't pretend it wouldn't effect the steps taking by many to stop this virus spread.
Football may come back behind closed doors during the end of the Summer, it will be for financial reasons. If there is a spike in cases, it won't be looked back fondly in years. Either will the people who pushed for it, for very selfish reasons. Day to day life for people and families have been hard, some still have this mindset. Disappointing.
From my Faux Tower;
On the 16th March the daily mail said players of Chinese football teams are rushing back for 18th April start and players will need an additional 2 weeks. Not only are they not back they aren't even publishing fixtures. Apparently, China are doing well and certainly have greater, political, powers of control over the populous. Even when we get to 0 deaths, like China, and 10s of new cases will we be back? If so, how long is that? its 14 weeks with prep, Italy levels and game time? and Italy isn't as low as China. IMO 2020 is done.
On the 16th March the daily mail said players of Chinese football teams are rushing back for 18th April start and players will need an additional 2 weeks. Not only are they not back they aren't even publishing fixtures. Apparently, China are doing well and certainly have greater, political, powers of control over the populous. Even when we get to 0 deaths, like China, and 10s of new cases will we be back? If so, how long is that? its 14 weeks with prep, Italy levels and game time? and Italy isn't as low as China. IMO 2020 is done.
Wonder what that'll be
"yeah...we erm...want to finish the season"
Wonder when they'll finally realise this season is finished?
And get on with working out the carnage of how to award stuff.
My feeling with how things are panning out is that there will not be any more football for this season. However, I reckon the Dippers will still be awarded the title.
The way I see this happening is I reckon it is only a matter of time before the National League, League One and League Two declare there seasons void. This for me is going to happen as their income is mainly gathered from matchday's and even if the season gets up and running again, it will all be bcd, so there is little incentive for them to continue and to do so will cost them even more.
After that happens the Champo and PL will continue to try and hold out and finish it, however, at some point the Champo will cave as the only teams that will insist on playing it out will be the ones with a chance of promotion and so the top teams will get outvoted/pressured by the league. At that point the PL will call it 'as it is' as no teams will get relegated and to do anything else would be 'unfair' on the Dippers.
The way I see this happening is I reckon it is only a matter of time before the National League, League One and League Two declare there seasons void. This for me is going to happen as their income is mainly gathered from matchday's and even if the season gets up and running again, it will all be bcd, so there is little incentive for them to continue and to do so will cost them even more.
After that happens the Champo and PL will continue to try and hold out and finish it, however, at some point the Champo will cave as the only teams that will insist on playing it out will be the ones with a chance of promotion and so the top teams will get outvoted/pressured by the league. At that point the PL will call it 'as it is' as no teams will get relegated and to do anything else would be 'unfair' on the Dippers.
And then the next wave will begin and we all go into various types of lockdown again
I believe that some things will reopen as long as they can prove that they have a plan for social distancing staff and customers. But I think we will be living with social distancing in public for at least a year
It's not about staff and customers though, if you reopen a pub you can't avoid a public gathering and thus the 2nd wave you eluded to
It's a proper Tory comment.
My personal opinion is that pubs won’t be reopening any time soon, too much of a risk
Would it be possible for seating to be potentially restructured instead of completely behind closed doors? Like, Old Trafford is a 75k stadium. Perhaps capacity could be reduced to like 15-20k capacity, with a level of distancing introduced?
It'll not just be the opening of pubs that'll be risky. Shops, restaurants, cinemas, etc are all places that attract large groups of people. It'll be impossible to implement social distancing at places like The Trafford Centre or Liverpool One, especially at weekends. It's a tough time for all governments. There is no long term safe option, but unfortunately the masses will not accept long term lockdowns. We just have to hope we're better prepared when the next wave hits us.
Unfortunately it’s inevitable for a lot. I wonder if the injury policies will cover for something like thisA lot of businesses will be going out of business then
I think I may be controversial here but if we don’t get the economy up and running soon there will be no football in our lifetime. NHS may be hero’s but the funding comes from taxation, how can MUFC continue to pay Pogba wages, Sky are not a charity. The whole shit show is going to come crashing down because of a nasty disease. The MSM have scared us silly but Heroin, alcohol cancer etc kills many more than COVID19. We can all go back to a 1920s society but I don’t think many would enjoy it.
I think I've said my fair share about this topic and I don't feel like I need to defend myself once again from the "Liverpool fan wants season finished at all costs" accusation. If you got that from my post, fine by me. But people will be gathering together long before it's even considered to bring football back, so the "warning" as described in the tweet I responded to won't be a deciding factor in the decision making process whatsoever.
It’s not just about the seating in the stands, first of all you have to get all those people to the stadium, then you have to get them all through the turnstiles, through the concourse, through the access points to the stands, up & down stairs etc. So many surfaces that will be touched by multiple people, each one a potential chance to spread the disease if any of them is infected.
You're right and I think a lot of the comments on here about lockdown for months on end will not happen. In my opinion, the lockdown was brought about as the NHS was unprepared for such a scenario and they needed to get it ready. Thus, the lockdown is not so much about trying to save everyone but rather prepare the NHS for the onslaught as there is no way any of the large economies are going to survive 12-18 months of lockdown waiting for a vaccine (and that is if they get one fast.)
I reckon after 7 May the restrictions will be lifted on a week to week basis, first week will see the city etc go back to work, second schools reopen and after that most other places over the course of the following two weeks (not so sure about pubs and restaurants they may stay closed.) Restrictions will stay in place for events but bcd will happen for most that can afford to run. The only ones that will get an extended lockdown will be the old and vulnerable.
From reading everything, the only way we're going to counter this thing is heard immunity and that means exposing most of the population. Obviously this means a lot of people are going to die and it is awful but we also cannot completely tank the economy waiting for a vaccine as that will either cause just as many deaths or more and have much longer term effects.
While it was the Sun paper - with all usual disclaimers - they led with the pubs being closed to Christmas!
Yea, good point regarding the touching of the surfaces, I didn’t think of that. I had considered getting people in and out though, which is a small price to pay given the circumstances. If we are not willing to adjust and experience some discomfort then forget it, but in a smaller scale, this is already happening in Supermarkets for example. I think that part can be overcome with some protocol, ultimately, nobody wants to be in this situation, and everyone is sacrificing a bit to make it work.
The smart money has to be that the season is done.
The huge issue is Liverpool aside how do they award things. They can't just award Liverpool a title and bin the rest off.
The only way I can possibly see it being decided is on points average.
That will be controversial in quite a few places, but what else wouldn't be!
Although it doesn't resolve the tv money issue that was supposed to be the big reason to not void it all.
TV money is a bit of a red herring. I mean, firstly they TV companies have already shown 75% of games so have had their ad and subs money for it and second they need the PL just as much as the PL needs them. At worst there may be a 25% dip for this year but I am pretty sure it will be lower. The worst thing for the TV companies is losing more than 25% of next season to save 25% of this.
As for the title with the Dippers, if the leagues below void, then relegation does not become an issue. In that sense a lot of issues are solved. There will be some arguement about the CL/EL places but if this seasons CL/EL gets cancelled (which is even more likely than the domestic seasons as teams have to travel internationally to play it) they can just say the teams that played this year can go again, which also solves the qualifying rounds issue. At that point the only issue would be the PL title and lets face it the PL and FA do not have the balls to stand up to the media onslaught that would come there way in denying the Dippers the title. I mean just look at what was said about Brady when she suggested it. There were some Dippers that suggested it was a hate crime.
It would be incredible call to deny Liverpool the title. I can only imagine the forests of bile from the scouse mafia about that!
But I just can't see only a title awarded and no other standings. It surely for all sensibility has to be everything voided, or everything awarded.
But if the Championship declares their season void, then the PL can call it as it is or go to a points average (as basically nothing changes) and it is all good as the Championship has already voided.
I do not like the idea, it is just what I can see happening so that the Dippers get their title.