Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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You don’t miss football but you’re posting on a football forum
Probably like one of those people who pop onto a facebook thread to say it's pointless.
I've had 6 replies this morning and I agree in principle with all of them. Including this reply. I was just following up a line of argument Megadrive was on but realise there's not much else to say on this. I believe less in my own argument the more I discuss it.
Obviously as a Liverpool fan I was going to exhaust all options however thin. My hopes are now back on to Remdivisir being the magical treatment in the next few weeks. But that's another discussion we can have in two weeks time when we get more news.
I don't think it would be a high percentage as the majority of fans wouldn't like the idea of making their club worse off.
It depends on how they choose to end the season. If its null and void then by definition you would be entitled to a full refund. As I, and some of others have mentioned this seems to be where the confusion lies. The difference between making the season null and void or curtailing it, which means coming to a resolution, is massive.
While I understand the argument that this season should be finished over starting a new one if that is the only option.
But at the end of the day the money that will be lost if there is no seasons next year will ruin so many clubs financially so it really isn't an option.
Next season will have to be played one way or another.
But at the end of the day the money that will be lost if there is no seasons next year will ruin so many clubs financially so it really isn't an option.
Next season will have to be played one way or another.
The September start suggests to me that they do intend on finishing the season, as it makes no sense to delay the start of the 20/21 season otherwise? With the Euros moved to next summer you would expect an early August start? Unless they think by holding off until September they will be able to open the games up to spectators?
Ugh, can we stop this discussion now. They wouldn't. It won't happen, in a million years - and you can quote me on that.
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surely most clubs have given up mentally on this season and moved into preparations for next season now.
They must be thinking about training, tours, and new signings, how all of this can be achieved.
If anything the current season is probably now getting in the way of their plans, and will definitely get in the way once the season officially should have ended May 17th.
They must be thinking about training, tours, and new signings, how all of this can be achieved.
If anything the current season is probably now getting in the way of their plans, and will definitely get in the way once the season officially should have ended May 17th.
To be honest, one more year in Europa is fine for me. If everything is well by September, then I don't want curtailed PL next season.
League is getting voided if it doesn't improve by May end. They are just buying time and are pretending that they did everything to make it happen.
A month delay looks to be an attempt to give it every chance to play out whilst not wrecking next year's format.
It relies on the best case scenario of players back in training mid May and games starting in June.
As the lockdown has been extended to a minimum to the end of the first week in May, and the furlough scheme has been extended to the end of June the timelines seem fanciful.
Yeah yeah we get the point!
Didn't realise the damn thing posted originally..was trying to edit it!!
Then it had gone..whoops
On the same token it could just as easily suggest that the current crisis is going to go on for months and the September start is the earliest timeframe they think they will be able to start next season.
There won't be European football next season IMO.
They have to start playing qualifers in June. OK UEFA will have no problem crushing the teams due to play in June. They will just have to take a pay off.
But that becomes impossible once the bigger teams start playing qualifers from mid July onwards.
This is probably the most appalling thing to me in all of this. Football is a complete frivolity in the grand scheme of the functioning of society, and it is the absolute last thing that should be looked into restarting after the rest of the actual important cogs of society are turning again.
You don’t miss football but you’re posting on a football forum
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There is no 'September start'. No decision of any kind has been taken, by anybody.
Let us ignore the nitwits who are clamouring for a total refund because the season is void.
But I think there is a legal basis for refunding money proportionate to the percentage of the season lost. Around 75% of the season has been completed; so Sky, BT et al are entitled to a 25% refund from the Premier League, season ticket holders are entitled to a 25% refund from clubs and so forth. Of course, this is not an exact science, so there may be ways to settle this in other amicable ways.
Amicable behaviour would be to not even think about getting a small refund because of a global pandemic that is wiping out thousands of people. How is this even a debate? Are people truly that small minded and petty? Fecking hell, stop the world, I want out.
how is it even possible to finish this season starting at the end of June? You play July and august but what about start of next season then? Does that start in September? CL/EL definitely has to be cancelled this season. It’s suicide doing that.
With the CL and Europa getting cancelled there is space to start the season later and fill in games where the champions league would usually be played.
CL will not be cancelled next year, no chance. It is too important to too many of the big teams and UEFA. If things have to be adapted then they can;
A) Regionalise the group stage to limit the amount of travel.
Or
B) Have it pure knockout and start in 2021.
No chance that gets voided twice, maybe this year will binned but that will be it.
The only question however is how they decide the participants. I think it is already at a stage where they cannot do the qualifiers for next year with the leagues needing to be finished and I have strong doubts this years one can be completed due to travel restrictions.
If that happens, I suspect they will go again with this years participants as there is no way around it unless they do something like all time ranking.
A) Regionalise the group stage to limit the amount of travel.
Or
B) Have it pure knockout and start in 2021.
No chance that gets voided twice, maybe this year will binned but that will be it.
The only question however is how they decide the participants. I think it is already at a stage where they cannot do the qualifiers for next year with the leagues needing to be finished and I have strong doubts this years one can be completed due to travel restrictions.
If that happens, I suspect they will go again with this years participants as there is no way around it unless they do something like all time ranking.
I really don't get this narrative, why does this shit have to be mutually exclusive? Contrary to popular belief it is possible to care for both (getting this current situation under control and wanting football back whenever possible).
Also football is important to a lot of people, Claude from AFTV as good as (if not actually) said he would have killed himself without football as it was his only release. Football is also a lifeblood to a lot of communities.
No it's not as important as getting the pandemic is under control but less important can still be important.
If the season is finished they can't alter who they let qualify. Say Sheffield United manage to finish 4th and then the CL decide to have it on historical rankings. It's another lawsuit waiting to happen.
Your comment does not take into consideration that the CAF is a social connection forum as well. It is primarily a United forum but it has become a place to socialise for a lot of people. For example I could get news about Donald Trump from anywhere but I like discussions about it here among people I am familiar with somewhat, even Eboue. A lot of people would now be realising football isn't that important considering everything else and some people will express that opinion here on a football forum (shock horror).You don’t miss football but you’re posting on a football forum
P.S: I miss football but not as much as sending by son to Nursery.
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I can't see how they can 'void' the season unless the situation dramatically changes. I'm certain they will give Liverpool special dispensation but the problem as you say will be the other situations. That's where the legal fight will come. What will happen to the records set this season? it's definitely not as simple as scrapping one season and starting a new one when there is every chance the virus may return in the autumn/winter.
Always felt the league would push the BCD narrative though. Money talks.
I'm pretty sure of that too. People forget that league competitions takes precedent over any cup competitions. The EFL have clearly stated that they are totally committed to fulfilling their fixture lists, which now ties in Premier League clubs, & they feel it will take at least 56 days for them to complete their season. So even now you're looking at a minimum of 3 months taking into account training, fitness, etc. No Europe means plenty of opportunity for all clubs to eventually complete their respective season. The new season could start around November time & still be finished - provided there's no serious lockdown again - in plenty of time to prepare for the Euro's next summer.
That’s why I said in my first line “TO ME”, as in this is my view. As a doctor faced with this stuff everyday, and as a human being seeing the effects of this on the people around me, added to the reality that society will need to introduce things bit by bit as the only way to try to get back to normalcy after this, I am entitled to my views that football is very low on the list of things that are important to get restarted.
Sure, it may be important to a lot of people, but there are a lot of objectively more important things. To an extent certain things have to be mutually exclusive in this time because when we seek to re-open, it has to be done in a stratified manner.
I know it's far from number 1 priority you've got no arguments from my there, the bit I'm contesting is 'appalling' bit.
Have their been any statements from the FA regarding any dates they are looking to have players come back to training or possibly resume play. I'm not sure how long the state if emergency is in England, but in Italy it was extended to May 3rd.
The Italian FA president's intention is to resume training on May 4th.with individualized groups and resume the season on May 30th or the following weekend. There are 12 matchday left (13 for some teams) and their idea is to play a game every 3 days.
However there is also the possibility of playing all games in all 4 of the regions so no games in Lombardy (Milan, Bergamo) meaning there could be neutral games for certain teams.
The Italian FA president's intention is to resume training on May 4th.with individualized groups and resume the season on May 30th or the following weekend. There are 12 matchday left (13 for some teams) and their idea is to play a game every 3 days.
However there is also the possibility of playing all games in all 4 of the regions so no games in Lombardy (Milan, Bergamo) meaning there could be neutral games for certain teams.
It's their competition, they set the rules. Lawsuits wouldn't change much.
Yeah but they are set in advance, so it will have been written in a contract last season that the top 4 qualify for the next seasons champions league, you can't just take that away and give it to whoever you like without their being a lawsuit put against you immediately
Ain’t that the truth!
It seems there is a number who view bcd, or any type of prioritisation of football unethical. Let alone the condomisation of the brand of football they believe is essential.
It has to be mutually exclusive because of the magnanimity of this crisis. There are only a finite number of things that can be done simultaneously in the current scenario.
My problem is with the European Leagues trying to push the narrative that football is so important in day to day life that it would be profoundly cataclysmic if we do not resume the games very soon ! Football is one of the last things that needs to begin in this country. It is an entertainment industry, and should be treated as such. Football should not be prioritised over any other entertainment business, and absolutely not over any other "essential service."
The social restrictions that are in place now need to be de-escalated in a gradual manner. You cannot afford to be too hasty, else there is every chance of setting off another big wave of infection, creating more virus hotspots, overwhelming the NHS and causing more deaths. Food, agriculture, water, waste, communications, information technology, manufacturing, critical services, retail, wholesale, fishery, transportation, accommodation, environmental activities, justice sector, research institutions, schools, colleges, universities, restaurants, energy, government institutions, and dozens of other essential services and service-chains have been disrupted. Each sector is feeling the heat, just like sports.
Football is important, but surely there are other sectors that are much more important. The entertainment sector should come near the bottom of this country's list of priorities.
It would be pretty amazing if they're back playing any type of football before other sectors, and thus a lot of us furlough guys are back at work!
It makes my mind boggle that some want bcd with nhs staff, yet they’re not calling for live tv programs or filming of East Enders, Corrie or other entertainment. There is a level of empathy I cannot comprehend.
What I mean by mutually exclusive is that there's this stigma that keeps growing that anyone who cares about football doesn't care about life. Which honestly begs the question why the hell did those people get into football in the first place if that's their thought process? Because no football match in history has started and finished without people dying in their thousands world wide.
I'm under no delusion we should be rushing football back, nor do I want that to happen, but do I want it back as soon as it's logistically possible? Absolutely.