That'd probably be the absolute worst case outcome of everything
Or would that be Leeds still weasling up.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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That'd probably be the absolute worst case outcome of everything
Or would that be Leeds still weasling up.
That'd probably be the absolute worst case outcome of everything
Or would that be Leeds still weasling up.
Irk. However, if it does happen they need to make another one of these in silver and award to them, rather than the real trophy:
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I'm more worried at silly ideas at next season being some massively reduced job.
Imagine if a team won a title for playing say 19games. Would be farcical.
Very true. Also to add to that is what happens if there is an emergency?. If a fire alarm goes, or an actual fire, a bomb scare, a medical emergency etc. Can you see thousands of people all slowly and carefully making their way to the exits while keeping six or eight feet apart.. Same goes for the shopping centres and cinemas and any large enclosed gatherings.
It's just not safe enough as it only takes one or two infected and we get another wave.
A lot of people will be losing money over this pandemic. So I'm not so sure exactly where all of the people are, who will be ready to sign up to BT Sport and Sky Sports as soon as its back to normal. Right now there's no indication of when that might even be, so I think you are way off the mark that Sky and BT will have all of these new customers, as soon as football starts up again, especially at the price points that they have.
China also tried to open some cinemas in march but had to close them only few days later and now there are talks about another attempt in... OCTOBER!
Some have suggested finishing the season on FIFA, in quarantine camps, in China and even having games played count for this season and next. So it isn't even the maddest idea i've read in here which is saying something.
Well I think my underwater idea to finish the season is genius. And I doubt any of those ideas question bumbum entryway infection possibilities do they?
I rest my case.
There won't be fans in a football stadium for a match for at least 6 months.
This season is done. Next year's is in peril. It's really not that important either.
This season is done. Next year's is in peril. It's really not that important either.
Well I think my underwater idea to finish the season is genius. And I doubt any of those ideas question bumbum entryway infection possibilities do they?
I rest my case.
That would probably come into play if they locked all the players inside quarantine camps for 6-8 weeks.
Thanks for that mental image haha, now I can't unsee hundreds of footballers all engaged in adult cuddles
I was going to say something about tight man to man marking, but I wont.
Imagine if they all got locked in and trapped at these isolated camps, then forgotten about by society for a thousand years..
What kind of twisted evolution would occur to them?
They'd probably all emerge the same as they are now haha.
I agree. I live in a gated community in Southern China and restrictions have been eased, but still only residents are allowed to enter the complex. Temperature is still measured on entry. Say what you like about this government, but I‘d rather have a longer period of restriction, than have cases bounce back.
I‘m still very sceptical about Germany‘s decision regarding the BL and don‘t understand why many posters here are using their decision to claim we should push to restart soon, too. They still haven‘t kicked a ball yet. Too soon to judge imo.
I feel for people who have limited income and no savings. I want them to be able to get back to work as soon as possible. At least the high risk offers an essential reward. Restarting the league just doesn‘t offer a reward that is worth the risk.
Yeah, that's not going to happen. Any position that Liverpool is just going to be handed the title is fanciful.
If you award the Dippers the title. Then every club in possible European qualification position who did have that chance will go fecking balistic and you will have lawyers engaged in disputes for years which would nearly cripple the FA with the amount of money offered by CL qualification.
Liverpool might have some sway in the press in the UK, but United's power and pull across Europe and the world, dwarfs LFC by a country mile.
The only way that Liverpool get awarded the title is if the season continues. Otherwise, the season will be declared null and void and we start 2020/2021 as if it were the start of the 2019/2020 season.
I think it's widely accepted now that if there's going to be any competitive football being played in the foreseeable future then it's going to have to be played behind closed doors. Supporters in football stadiums is a long way off unfortunately. So if it's deemed that even playing BCD is not a viable option to finish off this season, what makes you think there'll be a new season ? If playing games in an empty ground isn't practical now, how will it be any different in a few months time ? So all this talk about CL qualification & the possible legal implications is irrelevant if there is no football next season. & if that is the case, why would Manchester United, or any other club for that matter, be bothered about them handing the title to Liverpool when they're so far ahead ?
I’m going to have to have a little think on this one. In the meantime if you come up with anything I’d appreciate it if you shared it.
You're mistaking Manchester United FC for Manchester United supporters. We all know why you lot want the season voided, but what benefit would your club get from taking out some form of legal action if there's no footie next season ?
Some form of legal action? They’re going to be one of 20 premier league clubs which will ultimately have a vote on what happens.
There is not going to be special dispensation for Liverpool to be handed a title if there is reasonable method or purpose to conclude the season for the other 19 clubs.
They'll only get to vote if the EFL abandon their desire to complete their remaining fixtures, so if it gets to that stage then it's highly unlikely there will be a 'next season'. Therefore what purpose would voiding the season have ? There'll be a justifiable argument from some clubs - United included - that this season should be concluded by completing it whenever it's safe to do so. That could be early next year if needs be. So there are legal consequences right across the board, & it's not all about LFC either.
When people say there will be “no next season”, you do realise that they mean no 20/21 season and not football coming to an end?
Concluding this season to confirm European spots is likely going to cause more issues than it solves when there is no European football next campaign.
Scousers still thinking it’s ok for them to be gifted the title! The self-entitled, delusional pricks. They think next season can’t go ahead if this one isn’t finished but considering everything, sacking off this season is probably the easiest option for everyone. The 30th June will be the deciding factor.
If there’s anything I’ve realised over the last month or so...it’s that most Liverpool fans really are more despicable and arrogant that I first thought. A steaming pile of dogshit has more class and dignity than these arseholes.
If there’s anything I’ve realised over the last month or so...it’s that most Liverpool fans really are more despicable and arrogant that I first thought. A steaming pile of dogshit has more class and dignity than these arseholes.
The thing is, we're both talking about hypothetical scenarios here. I'm basing my thoughts/opinions - & have done from the start - on what advantages there are in null & voiding the season. Especially considering that even playing football behind closed doors may not be seen as a safe enough option. So if that particular scenario happens then there's no rush for anyone to do anything except wait. I've also taken into consideration the fact that voiding the season hasn't even been talked about or considered by those people who actually matter, the footballing authorities. & after reading the comments from that Sports lawyer in the Daily Mail article I posted a few days ago about how binning the season off would bring total chaos, I've not heard one valid argument as to why I should change my views. It's not about me being a blinkered Liverpool fan, it's about applying logic & common sense to a situation that has no tangible answers because there's been no historical situation like it ever.
I live in New Zealand and we are handling this virus extremely well. But I have said to people it's not economically sustainable for everything to be shut until a vaccine is found. The economy will be stuffed and people's lives would be absolutely ruined. I think a lockdown is only sustainable for 3 to 6 months. I know it sucks that this virus is killing people but you can't stuff up people's livelihoods either.
The government can't expect people to get on public transport with a load of strangers to go to work but not be able to have a drink with friends and colleagues.
Yes they can, transport is absolutely vital for people to work etc, a few drinks however going for drinks is not.
I'm just being realistic about how society works in the UK and people's wilingness to adopt such measures for a longer time.
The maths talks and the maths says that nothing is decided yet:
No team won the league;
no teams relegated
no teams promoted
no teams in CL & EL
etc etc
down to the lower leagues
I agree, some people have just got really hung up on how ahead Liverpool are. Any final decision About what happens to the league (if we don’t resume) should be just as applicable as if Liverpool were 3 points ahead in the league than what they are.
Liverpool fans can talk about odds all they like - and the reality is that if the league resumes it would be incredibly unlikely for Liverpool to come second.
however - if you went back to the day this started which do you think would be more likely?
. Liverpool come second
. Oil would have a negative value?
The odds are beaten all the time.
You can within reason social distance on transport. You simply can’t within reason stop people from breaking social distancing in a pub setting when they’ve had a few drinks. That’s before we even think about toilets etc. Glasses, is every pub going to be using disposable plastic ones?
I’m all for sensibly reopening of some businesses that can demonstrate that they can implement measures but at the same time we also must be not responsible for starting a 2nd wave and going back to square one
So what happens then if the season gets curtailed with current standings as final, or worked out on a points per game average ? Apart from the bottom 3, who'd challenge it ?
Both the least likely and least favourable outcomes. Worked out on a points per game average, really?
it’s not about who would challenge it based on their own biases.
im sure spurs want an end to the season now, but that’s not the point
Would it be fair if for example Liverpool were two points behind Man City with a game in hand? Take the final standings and Liverpool come second?
what about Villa, what about Sheff Utd? If City don’t get banned from Europe, what about Utd who have every chance of getting 4th.
My point is to make a decision that’s not based on the ludicrous assumption that Liverpool have to win the league. Most of the scenarios end with Liverpool as champions, however, all teams and all predicaments much be considered equally - and not forgetting the lower leagues to come to a decision.
Both the least likely and least favourable outcomes. Worked out on a points per game average, really?
Why are they the least likely ? What's the better options if BCD isn't a viable option ?
You just have to look at Villa's and Sheffield's situation to know there's almost zero chance they make the current standings final; it just wouldn't be fair and would 100% lead to lawsuits (so would other solutions but I'd think/hope they have better arguments in those cases). Neither would a PPG calculation be, it doesn't take into account strength of opposition so it would just be too random.
BCD is not just a viable option, it's the only remaining option left. There won't be fans in attendance for football games in 2020, but BCD is a very realistic solution. If they're not willing to go there, might as well bin 19/20 and 20/21 off right now.
It's 75% of the way through.
PPG isn't random. But of course teams might have played more at home or have tougher fixtures left.
But it takes sheer optimism to see any BCD taking place in the next three months minimum. And they won't want to delay way into next season.
So once BCD is off the table what do they do? Voiding would be amazing. So PPG seems most likely.
Maybe they'll let clubs vote!
Which is why bars etc wont be opened without extreme measures or a vaccine.
You cant trust people.
There won't be any bars left to re-open if they're gonna wait until a vaccine is out. At some point you have to think about the economy too. I swear most of them, if not all, will be out of business if they have to stay closed throughout summer.
Comments from Brighton's chairman Tony Bloom last weekend on a PPG calculation:
I obviously wouldn't shed a tear if that's the final outcome, but I just don't think it's fair on Villa, Sheffield and other teams who'd fancied themselves in the run-ins (depending on remaining schedule too).
So you would prefer voiding over PPG when BCD is eventually ruled out?
No, but that's for obvious (selfish) reasons... I'd understand it if they did that though.
A club like Villa would survive if they go down again, I'd think? If it however can save any team from collapsing, even just the one, I'd prefer that outcome over an outcome where Liverpool is awarded the title. I'd rather the the high ground right now and accept a solution for the greater good, than looking back on a tainted title in five years time.
There has to be some business victims in this, its pie in the sky that everybody gets up and running and gets away unscathed .
Im hoping other businesses can ease back and that frees up money for pubs
and clubs to keep them ticking over but even if they dont, that wont crush the economy.
Opening pubs means we have given up on social distancing and any hope of containing the disease which would collapse the economy even more. Thats assuming crowds will even flock back to them. People are yelling at each other in the bakery across the road from me because they didnt wait until one left the shop before entering. Folks are crossing the road when they see oncoming traffic just to avoid any sort of contact.
Theres a big chance the numbers arent even there to be profitable if they do reopen tomorrow.
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Ok a bit of growth here and kudos to you. I am genuinely hoping the season can be played out, but it seems unlikely at the moment. It’s interesting that the German government came out and said that if there is any sign of a growth in cases they will go straight back to lockdown.
the trouble with bcd seems to be that inGermany they reckons they need around 200 people to put on a game.
villa will survive, but it might take them a decade to recover. All their best players will be sold. They might bounce straight back, or they spend years fighting it out to get promoted again.
making that decision based on average points or a league table where they have a game in hand is just immoral.