Could Barkley be the answer?

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M Bison said:
Its difficult to understand what you're actually saying in your post, it's very contradictory.

Are you saying we shouldn't buy any players and just use what we have and that, to your point, will get the team scoring goals and looking great going forward (we are 2nd top scorers in the league btw)? Or are you saying its just one game and its nothing to worry about?
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Sorry if I'm unclear. Buying players is part and parcel of football. Good players, especially in attacking areas, are always welcome. But our inability to play attacking football in the vein of City, Spurs and even Liverpool, is a coaching/tactical issue, that even the best attackers aren't going to solve themselves.

To be concise. Even in spite of the goals we have scored (I think the four goal routs were fairly fortunate, against abysmal opposition and not really reflective of our performances) I don't think we will score enough goals to compete this season. I predicted this month would be a tough one and so far this is sadly the case. I'm expecting few (if any goals) against both Chelsea and Spurs and even more negativity.

Whoever we buy, be it Barkley or Griezmann, isn't going to change very much.
 
First of all, I don't think his decision making is poor at all. It can definitely improve, but it's definitely not poor.

He is someome who likes to run with the ball, and can sometimes do a bit too much, but that can easily be rectified.

I think, as you said, Barkley has all the attributes that Mourinho likes in a player, and showed interest in him when managing at Chelsea.

If we were to get him, Jose would be killing two birds with one stone. As well as being able to play as a 10, he can also play deeper as an 8.

As I said in one of my posts yesterday, since Pogba has been out, we've not had anyone from deep to get on the ball and link midfield with attack. I'm not saying Barkley is as good as Pogba, but he's a ball playing midfielder - someone who gets on the ball and dictates play.

It would meam Barkley could come in for Pogba if/when injured/rested, or be an option to play as an attacking midfielder, or even on the flanks, which he did at the back end of last season for Everton.

Option 1

Barkley
Matic Pogba

Option 2

Mkhitaryan
Matic Barkley

He needs someone to believe in him again, because there's no doubt he has the ability. Just needs to showcase it more often, and I think United would be the place for him to do so.
 
If Barkley is the answer what's the bloody question.
 
Kag said:
Droves of people still think that buying players is the answer. It's cute.

I can't wait until we fork out another £100 million on Griezmann and the poor cnut plays like a halfwit. What next? Should we bring in Jonjo Shelvey to combat our perceived lack of creativity from the centre of midfield?

We've hired three managers in a row that in spite of spending hundreds of million of pounds on players are as of yet unable to get the team scoring lots of goals and looking great going forward. But buying more players is apparently the answer, as is always the case after a defeat.
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It's not cute. We are in this position because of Sir Alex retiring but we stopped improving the team in key areas. So the quality has gone down and the problem is across the midfield. We gave away our best full back for 2million. We don't have a GOOD attacking full back. We gave away Nani who is better then the dross we have. We have NO real depth. We've seen that with a few injuries.

For me there are a few things. Moyes is maybe right in that he was on a hiding to nothing but if what he said in public (about wanting better players) is accurate then it's no wonder he lost the players. LVG played a system asking for a Ronaldo without the Ronaldo he was asking for and not only is that arrogent that's also beyond stupid based on the players we still had. We've seen an improvement again with Jose though we have to be wary our away form don't mirror our home form of last season. The problem is injuries = lack of players. We went years without rebuilding or looking to improve and now we have too many players who don't offer enough.

The huddersfield result can happen but we've had two of them this season and we have not got that momentum on the road to go at teams. We do need to buy.....that goes without saying. We went YEARS without buying a midfielder when we should have and we're still short.
 
Red_Beans said:
I would prefer we gave Pereira a proper chance
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Apparently he doesn't want to come back, he's happy at Valencia.

Barkley is an enigma, sometimes he looks and is virtually 'unplayable', then he goes off on one, disappears in a game for 10 or up to 20 minutes at a time, or he makes stupid decisions at critical times and you begin to wonder just what he has between his ears.

I do believe that in the end it comes down to the ability of the players. City couldn't play the way Pep has them doing without each player, or at least 6-8 out of the eleven players, being World Class. Jose's style is more pragmatic, less entertaining and makes use of players like Fellaini who do a job for him, which is limited but highly focused. Our central spine of De Gea (CB ?) Matic, Pogba, Lukaku, should be good enough, but it won't be as entertaining, as City or Tottenham or even Chelsea/Arsenal

Last Saturdays defeat was about only one team turning up. Perhaps the coach journey over the Pennines upset our players, those 'hair-pin' bends on the A635/638 can be a bit 'stomach-churning' especially with the wind blowing in off the tops!!
 
Kag said:
Sorry if I'm unclear. Buying players is part and parcel of football. Good players, especially in attacking areas, are always welcome. But our inability to play attacking football in the vein of City, Spurs and even Liverpool, is a coaching/tactical issue, that even the best attackers aren't going to solve themselves.

To be concise. Even in spite of the goals we have scored (I think the four goal routs were fairly fortunate, against abysmal opposition and not really reflective of our performances) I don't think we will score enough goals to compete this season. I predicted this month would be a tough one and so far this is sadly the case. I'm expecting few (if any goals) against both Chelsea and Spurs and even more negativity.

Whoever we buy, be it Barkley or Griezmann, isn't going to change very much.
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No top player is able to play effective attacking football with us? What because of Jose?

Signings would change a lot as we're clearly missing suitable players in a few positions and as the past week òr so has shown we also lack any depth to deal with injuries.
 
He hasn't played for Everton this season yet so talk of his transfer all seems a bit premature.

Also really don't know why Mata is getting such a tough ride on here, he's consistently scored important goals and his link play with other teammates is excellent.

He might not be a top, top tier #10 but he's worlds ahead of Ross flippin' Barkley.
 
PragueRed said:
He hasn't played for Everton this season yet so talk of his transfer all seems a bit premature.

Also really don't know why Mata is getting such a tough ride on here, he's consistently scored important goals and his link play with other teammates is excellent.

He might not be a top, top tier #10 but he's worlds ahead of Ross flippin' Barkley.
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Worlds ahead but yet Barkley has more Premier league goals and assists than Mata in the last two years.
 
Leftback99 said:
Worlds ahead but yet Barkley has more Premier league goals and assists than Mata in the last two years.
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True, a surprising stat. Level on goals but Barkley way ahead on assists. Still don't think that tells the whole story, Mata's use of the ball much better for me.

In any case, to argue Barkley is better than Mata just seems a bit silly to me. The same? Maybe. But not better.
 
Probably the same fools who doubted Lukaku who now doubt Barkley. He's easy good enough for United. Sadly he will join Spurs and be brilliant. When you get to watch him everyweek it is easy to see. Just like Rom and just like Stones.
 
BigDunc9 said:
Probably the same fools who doubted Lukaku who now doubt Barkley. He's easy good enough for United. Sadly he will join Spurs and be brilliant. When you get to watch him everyweek it is easy to see. Just like Rom and just like Stones.
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Stones is not on the same level as Lukaku. He is not a good defender. The only reason City are doing good is because they are deadly going forward. Stones will get exposed against the best teams in Europe.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Stones is not on the same level as Lukaku. He is not a good defender. The only reason City are doing good is because they are deadly going forward. Stones will get exposed against the best teams in Europe.
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I sort of agree. But for the way City play he is the perfect defender for them. Some people suit certain systems and it was always obvious Stones would. For someone like Stoke Stones probably wouldn't shine but for a Guardiola team he is going to look the part.
 
When I saw this at the top assumed it would be someone saying they'd rather Lingard over Barkley... so I'll do the honours

I'd rather have Lingard than Barkley
 
BigDunc9 said:
I sort of agree. But for the way City play he is the perfect defender for them. Some people suit certain systems and it was always obvious Stones would. For someone like Stoke Stones probably wouldn't shine but for a Guardiola team he is going to look the part.
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True. A bit like David Luiz in the sense that they are poor at defending but good on the ball.
 
As long as the price is reasonable - right now say 15; I wouldn't say no.

Don't think he can do any harm and I'm not a fan who pretends to know how much money we have etc.
 
I would take barkley on a free. Can probably use him the way mourinho likes to use Fellaini. Has to learn how to defend better but mou can teach him that. We need more cover in midfield. Homegrown player on a free, Woodward will be delighted.
 
BigDunc9 said:
Probably the same fools who doubted Lukaku who now doubt Barkley. He's easy good enough for United. Sadly he will join Spurs and be brilliant. When you get to watch him everyweek it is easy to see. Just like Rom and just like Stones.
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I do agree people are severely overrating him but I don't think he is "the answer". He would be a great addition and certainly not out of place at United. Has incredible quality but of course he is no longer the flavor of the month
 
shamans said:
That's simply not true. He was a bit overrated but to say he's not a good defender is such a stretch
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If City win the title with a low goals conceded number and Stones starting most matches I think we can all call him a good defender.
 
I can't remember the last time I was impressed with Barkley. I'll need to see him come in from the cold and play well under Everton's new manager before I can even consider him at United.
 
Craig Ward said:
Just like Pereira you mean? The guy we are desperate to send on loan every season....

We have the players here, we don't need Barkley
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We don't have Pereira here. And as much as I love Pereira he doesn't have even half of Barkley's experience so they are not comparable. Barkley would be an excellent addition to our squad. He'd also be cheap and eager to prove himself.
 
Rumour is he want some a move to us, and it's why he tuned down Chelsea on deadline day. Funnily enough now I question if we will o back for him in January as with Lamela returning and Winks improving he have plenty of options.
 
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