Coronavirus in football

I find it funny how Klopp is the only manager demanding there is no break.

Clearly he must be doping the majority of his squad somehow, so they are immune otherwise, it makes zero sense for him to demand no breaks.
 
choccy77 said:
I find it funny how Klopp is the only manager demanding there is no break.

Clearly he must be doping the majority of his squad somehow, so they are immune otherwise, it makes zero sense for him to demand no breaks.
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He's just talking common sense. Think of all the socialising that happens over Christmas and New Year, which will include players and their families, then picture the rise in cases at the start of January. Postponing the league till the start of January doesn't make any sense as cases will still be high then including among players, you will literally have the same situation you have now which is the point Klopp was making.
 
Sandikan said:
Assuming "we" is United, as you mention Arsenal above and have Hereford as your club on your profile, extra time for our manager to review things surely does help us? Along with getting the likes of Varane and Cavani fit?

Otherwise he's come in at a time we play every 3 days and has very little time to do anything.
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Obviously i'm a United fan, the Hereford in my location is based on the game Soccermanager hence why it's in brackets. I'd have a supporter tag if I didnt support United.

Our squad is doing ok in terms of fitness, both Varane and Cavani were/are returning to fitness to be ready for the Christmas schedule, none of our other players were having any issues, you can never have a completely injury free squad after all. Other Managers have come in and coped with games coming thick and fast so I don't understand why people think Rangnick needs weeks/months to sort this out. He's come into teams midway through seasons before too, he knows how to get us winning mid season and given our rivals are currently struggling it greatly benefits them to pause the season.

If you're in bad form and low on confidence the Christmas period can be absolutely brutal to your campaign.
 
choccy77 said:
I find it funny how Klopp is the only manager demanding there is no break.

Clearly he must be doping the majority of his squad somehow, so they are immune otherwise, it makes zero sense for him to demand no breaks.
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Clearly.
 
choccy77 said:
I find it funny how Klopp is the only manager demanding there is no break.

Clearly he must be doping the majority of his squad somehow, so they are immune otherwise, it makes zero sense for him to demand no breaks.
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Funny I find myself agreeing with Klopp!
 
Mb194dc said:
Funny I find myself agreeing with Klopp!
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If you're losing half the games, and all teams play each other, and there's mixing between the teams, the obvious answer is a circuit breaker, as it'll just get to a point all games have to be called off anyway.
 
Sandikan said:
If you're losing half the games, and all teams play each other, and there's mixing between the teams, the obvious answer is a circuit breaker, as it'll just get to a point all games have to be called off anyway.
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A circuit breaker of footballers is meaningless without one for the general public, it isn't like they'll all hide in their rooms and cancel Christmas till games resume.
 
choccy77 said:
I find it funny how Klopp is the only manager demanding there is no break.

Clearly he must be doping the majority of his squad somehow, so they are immune otherwise, it makes zero sense for him to demand no breaks.
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He did mention that his entire squad are vaccinated, so perhaps thats why he feels a bit more at ease with his own club's situation going into this gauntlet.
 
Ixion said:
Right but you can see how saying if it's not safe to play they shouldn't isn't really any different to say Joe Bloggs getting the train, going to the gym, the supermarket, cinema, club etc. and it not being safe to do so. Focusing on just football doesn't really fix the issue in the general population.
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As I said, it's not just about the players it's having the safe number of support staff available too. We are talking about elite sport, not Joe Bloggs going to the gym.

Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Erm, yes, why the hell wouldn’t he be?

Have football pitches ever proven to be a bigger breeding ground for virus transmission than most other work places?
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And you asking me or telling me something?

Regulus Arcturus Black said:
He was basically making the claim that the PL are putting their health at risk by making them play.
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If it's not safe to play and they make them then obviously they are putting their health at risk.

I'm critical of the posters who have a "feck it make them play" attitude

It's not just a simple getting 11 bodies on the pitch the show must go on. That's just daft and pretty selfish in my opinion.
 
TheReligion said:
If it's not safe to play and they make them then obviously they are putting their health at risk.
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It’s as safe to play as it is to work at Tescos, more safe than working at a secondary school, more safe than say working in airport security.
In fact, nothing about the job of a footballer makes it any less safe then many other jobs that are just cracking on.
Why are they a special case? Why especially when they are at an absolutely minuscule risk. Why does 62 year old chubby Edith at Tesco have to work but not super athletes in their 20’s Sancho, Rashford and co :confused:
 
Ixion said:
He's just talking common sense. Think of all the socialising that happens over Christmas and New Year, which will include players and their families, then picture the rise in cases at the start of January. Postponing the league till the start of January doesn't make any sense as cases will still be high then including among players, you will literally have the same situation you have now which is the point Klopp was making.
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Yeah that’s good and all, but we had 7 first team players available for training on Thursday. I’m sure Spurs’ numbers were pretty similar.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
It’s as safe to play as it is to work at Tescos, more safe than working at a secondary school, more safe than say working in airport security.
In fact, nothing about the job of a footballer makes it any less safe then many other jobs that are just cracking on.
Why are they a special case? Why especially when they are at an absolutely minuscule risk. Why does 62 year old chubby Edith at Tesco have to work but not super athletes in their 20’s Sancho, Rashford and co :confused:
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Is it as safe to play as it is to work at Tesco? I don't know. You tell me?
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
It’s as safe to play as it is to work at Tescos, more safe than working at a secondary school, more safe than say working in airport security.
In fact, nothing about the job of a footballer makes it any less safe then many other jobs that are just cracking on.
Why are they a special case? Why especially when they are at an absolutely minuscule risk. Why does 62 year old chubby Edith at Tesco have to work but not super athletes in their 20’s Sancho, Rashford and co :confused:
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…bit harsh calling Edith chubby.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Yeah that’s good and all, but we had 7 first team players available for training on Thursday. I’m sure Spurs’ numbers were pretty similar.
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It doesn't matter. Just get 11 bodies in United shirts and send them out.

Jumpers for goalposts and all that.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
It’s as safe to play as it is to work at Tescos, more safe than working at a secondary school, more safe than say working in airport security.
In fact, nothing about the job of a footballer makes it any less safe then many other jobs that are just cracking on.
Why are they a special case? Why especially when they are at an absolutely minuscule risk. Why does 62 year old chubby Edith at Tesco have to work but not super athletes in their 20’s Sancho, Rashford and co :confused:
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It's safer as they're tested all the time and they have access to medical professionals.
 
TheReligion said:
Is it as safe to play as it is to work at Tesco? I don't know. You tell me?
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I’m not the one saying it’s unfair, so you back your “putting them at risk” claim with some actual evidence that football is more of a risk than what the general public have to crack on with every day.

You’re the one who seems to think that the group of adults at least risk by some distance in society of getting serious illness from Covid, and who have the best medical care in the world and constant testing are somehow the special case that should be allowed to be off work while the rest of people crack on to “protect them”.
 
choccy77 said:
I find it funny how Klopp is the only manager demanding there is no break.

Clearly he must be doping the majority of his squad somehow, so they are immune otherwise, it makes zero sense for him to demand no breaks.
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It’s because he knows that in a month he’ll have his 2 best players go off to another tournament for a month and he doesn’t want a back log of games during a time when his team is weakened, obviously.
 
TwoSheds said:
The current vaccine is not largely ineffective against the Omicron variant FFS. I know it's boring but come on, it's important. The vaccines are significantly less effective at stopping transmission of the Omicron variant but as far as we currently know it's still very effective at preventing severe illness / hospitalisation. So far it's still of the order of 90% of people going to hospital with Covid are unvaccinated.

And moreover, if you get your 3rd booster dose it seems to make the vaccine about 75% effective against the new variant anyway which is actually still a very effective vaccine when compared to those for many other diseases around the world. New malaria vaccine is about 30% effective for example and yet is considered a huge success (could save ~150,000 lives a year).

Think of being triple vaxxed as like Covid shooting at you with only 2 bullets in its 6 shooter as you run away instead of 6. Your odds are pretty bloody good really. (Yes I've just been watching the Gunmen of the Apocalypse Red Dwarf)
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That's what I meant not ineffective in terms of protecting us but at stopping the spread as we're seeing.
 
choccy77 said:
I find it funny how Klopp is the only manager demanding there is no break.

Clearly he must be doping the majority of his squad somehow, so they are immune otherwise, it makes zero sense for him to demand no breaks.
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Yes there absolutely couldn't be any other sane reason.
 
Sandikan said:
If you're losing half the games, and all teams play each other, and there's mixing between the teams, the obvious answer is a circuit breaker, as it'll just get to a point all games have to be called off anyway.
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Breaking what? Nothing will have changed in 2 weeks.

Probably won't ever change. It'll be like this every season.

The eventual answer will be to change how Covid is being dealt with.
 
giggs-beckham said:
That's what I meant not ineffective in terms of protecting us but at stopping the spread as we're seeing.
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It will still reduce the rate of transmission. The reason the case rates have increased so fast is as much or more to do with the greatly increased transmissibility of the new variant as it is to do with the reduction of effectiveness of the vaccine.
 
Red Dreams said:
The season will get suspended eventually.
I'm just curious how the imbeciles at the FA go about doing it.

Until then I will watch my team if and when they play.
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Tbf to the FA, they are following the government’s guidelines and have a business to run.

Imo it’s the pathetic ‘leadership’ from the government that is causing this weird situation of stadiums literally full of fans, while teams have hugely depleted squads.
 
Kaos said:
He did mention that his entire squad are vaccinated, so perhaps thats why he feels a bit more at ease with his own club's situation going into this gauntlet.
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But it doesn't actually stop you catching covid though, it just limits the risks of greater illness.

Yes it's more affective, but still no guarantee you can't catch covid, it's just hope that 3 jabs can keep more subdued.

Klopp should just stop moaning.
 
Whether your vaccinated with 2 doses or not the new variant will infect you. So those people giving players stick who test positive when they’re unvaccinated make no sense. 2 doses may reduce the risk of serious illness but you’d expect a Premier League footballer not to get ill anyway.

However, those who are unvaccinated have to isolate when coming into contact with a positive case, which I believe must be one of the main issues for why games are getting called of?
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Tbf to the FA, they are following the government’s guidelines and have a business to run.

Imo it’s the pathetic ‘leadership’ from the government that is causing this weird situation of stadiums literally full of fans, while teams have hugely depleted squads.
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You have hit the nail on the head.

Even if the government as we already know does not give a damn about human life, the FA can still put players and supporters first.
But they are being consistent. If they cared about football and the supporters, they would not have allowed scum that own clubs like us, City , Chelsea and now Newcastle in.

But we are too far down the road already.
 
choccy77 said:
I find it funny how Klopp is the only manager demanding there is no break.

Clearly he must be doping the majority of his squad somehow, so they are immune otherwise, it makes zero sense for him to demand no breaks.
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If the number of footballers getting covid and being unable to work was reflective of the whole country, we'd be in automatic lockdown as so many people would be self isolating nearly every shop and venue would have to close. Nearly every school would be closed, etc.

I make Klopp completely right and not sure what the excuse is for footballers or why they seem so specifically affected by it. Considering also that footballers across the rest of Europe have not had this issue at all.

Either there's an astonishingly high percentage of PL players who are anti vax idiots as compared to the general public, or clubs and players are using the situation dishonestly. The only other explanation is there's some variant of covid that specifically only targets professional footballers based in England.
 
choccy77 said:
I find it funny how Klopp is the only manager demanding there is no break.

Clearly he must be doping the majority of his squad somehow, so they are immune otherwise, it makes zero sense for him to demand no breaks.
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It's almost as if every manager's opinion is being shaped by the form their team is in.
 
noodlehair said:
If the number of footballers getting covid and being unable to work was reflective of the whole country, we'd be in automatic lockdown as so many people would be self isolating nearly every shop and venue would have to close. Nearly every school would be closed, etc.

I make Klopp completely right and not sure what the excuse is for footballers or why they seem so specifically affected by it. Considering also that footballers across the rest of Europe have not had this issue at all.

Either there's an astonishingly high percentage of PL players who are anti vax idiots as compared to the general public, or clubs and players are using the situation dishonestly. The only other explanation is there's some variant of covid that specifically only targets professional footballers based in England.
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Have you considered the possibility that lots of people are going to work sick and not reporting it because they need the money?

The idea that you don't get full sick pay from day 1 during a pandemic is ludicrous. In my view it would be ludicrous outside of a pandemic mind too.
 
TwoSheds said:
Have you considered the possibility that lots of people are going to work sick and not reporting it because they need the money?

The idea that you don't get full sick pay from day 1 during a pandemic is ludicrous. In my view it would be ludicrous outside of a pandemic mind too.
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Well yes but this doesn't explain why only footballers in this country are having this problem while in Spain and Germany for example where we know a very high percentage of players are vaccinated, there's been comparatively little disruption.

Also a lot of employers do offer sick pay. I get full sick pay. We go into people's homes every day as part of our job so test at least twice a week. We've had no disruption either in our office or across the country. Same seems to apply across the board with the only apparent exception being professional football clubs, and only in one specific country.

Maybe I'm being cynical but I think it has more to do with a) the stats showing that over a quarter of footballers in this country are anti vaccine morons...which frankly is very obviously a big factor in this and fully deserving of criticism/zero sympathy and b) PL clubs in particular using the situation to try and gain some advantage or at the very least avoid putting themselves at a disadvantage.

But on point a)...if the whole country was that stupid that nearly a third of us were unvaccinated, we actually would be fecked and already in another lockdown. So it pretty much explains what is happening by itself, and it's a reported fact by the football league.
 
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