Cop in America doing a bad job, again

Mogget said:
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article229227114.html

Man has gun in his waistband. Police tell man to put the gun on the ground. Man very slowly reaches into his jacket and starts putting gun on the ground. Police shoot man for reaching for his gun.

What the feck are you supposed to do in that situation?
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That's a scary story to read. I knew American cops were bad but I didn't think they were that bad. Reminds me of the Charles Kinsey case which has probably been mentioned in this thread before.
 
oates said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No...9/man_legally_carrying_outside_of_restaurant/

Longer video of police responding and travelling to the incident. Maybe it's nothing but the first minute or so of the video has no sound.
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Typically when the videos are activated, they automatically back up the start of the recording by a minute, but because of that, sound doesn’t pick up until the recording was actually activated. For example, at 2100 hours I activate the recording, the recording will include from 2059 hours, but sound on the recording won’t be on the footage until 2100 hours when it was actually activated.

If that makes sense. Probably reads a bit convoluted.
 
Skizzo said:
Typically when the videos are activated, they automatically back up the start of the recording by a minute, but because of that, sound doesn’t pick up until the recording was actually activated. For example, at 2100 hours I activate the recording, the recording will include from 2059 hours, but sound on the recording won’t be on the footage until 2100 hours when it was actually activated.

If that makes sense. Probably reads a bit convoluted.
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No, I appreciate that, thanks. I expect I've become overly cynical but I assumed bodycams were on constantly.
 
oates said:
No, I appreciate that, thanks. I expect I've become overly cynical but I assumed bodycams were on constantly.
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Depends on the department and budget etc. Working for the State, they’re still trying to work out logistics in terms of cost for outfitting the entire department with bodycams, and then how to work out storage. Whether they burn disks, upload to cloud etc and then how long to keep them available in terms of maintenance costs and upkeep. For a smaller department it may be easier than for the CHP for example.

For the departments that do have them, they’re typically required to be on whenever an interaction is taking place. Cameras in the car get activated whenever code 3 lights are used, sometimes by going over a certain speed, or manually activated.
 
Skizzo said:
Depends on the department and budget etc. Working for the State, they’re still trying to work out logistics in terms of cost for outfitting the entire department with bodycams, and then how to work out storage. Whether they burn disks, upload to cloud etc and then how long to keep them available in terms of maintenance costs and upkeep. For a smaller department it may be easier than for the CHP for example.

For the departments that do have them, they’re typically required to be on whenever an interaction is taking place. Cameras in the car get activated whenever code 3 lights are used, sometimes by going over a certain speed, or manually activated.
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That's great information and explains it all very clearly, thank you Skizzo. No conspiracies here then.
 
Skizzo said:
Depends on the department and budget etc. Working for the State, they’re still trying to work out logistics in terms of cost for outfitting the entire department with bodycams, and then how to work out storage. Whether they burn disks, upload to cloud etc and then how long to keep them available in terms of maintenance costs and upkeep. For a smaller department it may be easier than for the CHP for example.

For the departments that do have them, they’re typically required to be on whenever an interaction is taking place. Cameras in the car get activated whenever code 3 lights are used, sometimes by going over a certain speed, or manually activated.
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Just a question you may know the answer but why when police are in a tense situation and somehow a police officer shoots because he/she too nervous and pressed the trigger too hard the other officers shoot immediately? I have to ask because I was part of special forces and nobody was authorized to fire a round without an order and if someone did the rest of us wouldn't, don't the officers are trained to assess the situation?
 
oates said:
That's great information and explains it all very clearly, thank you Skizzo. No conspiracies here then.
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Glad I could help :)

barros said:
Just a question you may know the answer but why when police are in a tense situation and somehow a police officer shoots because he/she too nervous and pressed the trigger too hard the other officers shoot immediately? I have to ask because I was part of special forces and nobody was authorized to fire a round without an order and if someone did the rest of us wouldn't, don't the officers are trained to assess the situation?
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Short answer, sympathetic fire. The same reason the less lethal shotguns have a bright orange strap, and the same reason whenever someone deploys a less lethal force option (ECD, less lethal shotgun etc) they’re supposed to give an audible announcement first...because otherwise an officer with a different viewpoint may just suddenly hear what he believes is a gun shot, and will start to fire.

Should it happen? No. Unfortunately it’s a situation that is part of human response, and there aren’t enough live fire scenario trainings that could be put on to negate that response in every officer in every department across the country.

Watch any of those videos available on YouTube of media presenters or civilians going in to do law enforcement use of force scenario training, and watch how they react to suddenly being thrust into perceived deadly situations. That human reaction of self preservation is hard to just dull out of someone who you also have expectations of on the other end of the spectrum.
 
I've read the /r/ProtectAndServe thread on the recent Charlotte shooting. They can't see any problems whatsoever with it, and are convinced it's perfectly justified.
 
Mogget said:
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article229227114.html

Man has gun in his waistband. Police tell man to put the gun on the ground. Man very slowly reaches into his jacket and starts putting gun on the ground. Police shoot man for reaching for his gun.

What the feck are you supposed to do in that situation?
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That woman has no business being police, fecking hell. "Do as I tell you", *does as told* *gets shot* Like, how fecking broken in the brain is she? Was she just manufacturing a situation in which she could shoot him?
Prometheus said:
I've read the /r/ProtectAndServe thread on the recent Charlotte shooting. They can't see any problems whatsoever with it, and are convinced it's perfectly justified.
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There's a video there of a 69 year old veteran military police officer who was arrested by a powertripping cop, and they're all like "I can't defend this, this is abuse of power", but when an unarmed black guy gets shot, they're like "lawful killing, black guy acted aggressively". Fecking bootlickers, and the boots themselves.

Also, a disturbing amount of casual racism, though that's not really surprising.
 
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Halftrack said:
That woman has no business being police, fecking hell. "Do as I tell you", *does as told* *gets shot* Like, how fecking broken in the brain is she? Was she just manufacturing a situation in which she could shoot him?

There's a video there of a 69 year old veteran military police officer who was arrested by a powertripping cop, and they're all like "I can't defend this, this is abuse of power", but when an unarmed black guy gets shot, they're like "lawful killing, black guy acted aggressively". Fecking bootlickers, and the boots themselves.

Also, a disturbing amount of casual racism, though that's not really surprising.
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That’s nothing to do with racism because even black or spanish cops act the same way, in first place they are badly trained, one cop would get in a different position and ask the man to turn his back with the hands on top of the car and the other office would disarm the guy.
 
barros said:
That’s nothing to do with racism because even black or spanish cops act the same way, in first place they are badly trained, one cop would get in a different position and ask the man to turn his back with the hands on top of the car and the other office would disarm the guy.
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I'm talking about the casual racism thrown around by the posters on that sub.
 
Halftrack said:
That woman has no business being police, fecking hell. "Do as I tell you", *does as told* *gets shot* Like, how fecking broken in the brain is she? Was she just manufacturing a situation in which she could shoot him?

There's a video there of a 69 year old veteran military police officer who was arrested by a powertripping cop, and they're all like "I can't defend this, this is abuse of power", but when an unarmed black guy gets shot, they're like "lawful killing, black guy acted aggressively". Fecking bootlickers, and the boots themselves.

Also, a disturbing amount of casual racism, though that's not really surprising.
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I saw that too. The contrast in reactions is incredible!
 
barros said:
That’s nothing to do with racism because even black or spanish cops act the same way, in first place they are badly trained, one cop would get in a different position and ask the man to turn his back with the hands on top of the car and the other office would disarm the guy.
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First of all black/Spanish cops acting the same way doesn't rule out racism at all. Also I suspect the subset of these shootings done by black/Spanish is too small to draw such conclusion. Also unless you can train racism out of people, no amount of training is going solve this issue, let's be honest. The main problem in this case is not that the cop could have employed better tactics - it's that she fired despite the guy following her instructions.
 


Cannon Lambert, a lawyer who represents the Bland family, said the video, by showing Ms. Bland with a cellphone in her hand, seriously undercut the trooper’s claim that he feared for his safety as he approached the woman’s vehicle.

“What the video shows is that Encinia had no reason to be in fear of his safety,” Mr. Lambert, who represented the family in a $1.9 million legal settlement, said in a telephone interview. “The video shows that he wasn’t in fear of his safety. You could see that it was a cellphone, He was looking right at it.”

Mr. Encinia said during internal interviews with Department of Public Safety officials that he had been worried about his safety. “My safety was in jeopardy at more than one time,” he told department interviewers.
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There’s a video on Twitter of journalists going undercover asking police how to file a complaint against one of them, and in 35/38 precincts they were blocked/harassed/interrogated/refused/threatened with fines.
 
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