Cop in America doing a bad job, again

What a bint. She clearly declined taking her foot off the seat which is rules of the train. Doesn't matter if she bought a ticket, doesn't mean you aren't allowed to follow the rules.

The way they ganged up on him there was bullshit.
 
freeurmind said:
What a waste of resources though. If she refused he should be able to just write her a spot fine and be done with it. Ends up having to call back up, 2 arrests, 2 people to process and charge, train was probably delayed. Police resources are better spent elsewhere.
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Probably the transit cops so what else do they have to do.
 
freeurmind said:
Also that people advocating police drawing their weapons in a crowded subway because someone had their feet on a seat need to think properly. What if she reacts by running away, do you then shoot her in a busy subway? Cop did the right thing.
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I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting shooting or even drawing the weapon on anyone for having their feet on a seat. There was a mention of drawing the weapon based on the actions of the people crowding around the cop.
 
freeurmind said:
What a waste of resources though. If she refused he should be able to just write her a spot fine and be done with it. Ends up having to call back up, 2 arrests, 2 people to process and charge, train was probably delayed. Police resources are better spent elsewhere.
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Definitely agree with last bit. You’d have to wonder how it escalated to the point he ended up on the train in the first place. Can only assume the silly cow was making some sort of point and the cops got called as a last resort.
 
freeurmind said:
Also that people advocating police drawing their weapons in a crowded subway because someone had their feet on a seat need to think properly. What if she reacts by running away, do you then shoot her in a busy subway? Cop did the right thing.
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You need to read properly and understand how cops act over here. If a cop is making a bust, on their own and people around are getting in your face then you need to take control of the situation for your own safety. He asked them to back off but they were still being rowdy.
 
van der star said:
I always wanted to work in the states as a specialist, for a few years, but as a brown guy who sports a beard for most of the year, I don't fancy my chances, looking at all this info. On a similar note, the girl in this video is silly and should have been reprimanded but who the flip arrests a couple of people over something as trivial as putting your feet on the seats in a train?!?!?!

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She was not arrested for putting her feet on the seat. It's not an arrestable offense. She was probably arrested for 148pc-obstruction/resisting an officer or investigation. The fat chick was probably also arrested for the same thing, but once she spit on the officer it becomes a more serious "battery on a peace officer"
 
freeurmind said:
What a waste of resources though. If she refused he should be able to just write her a spot fine and be done with it. Ends up having to call back up, 2 arrests, 2 people to process and charge, train was probably delayed. Police resources are better spent elsewhere.
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I don't know what procedures are for transit enforcement. But you're right, resources are better utilized elsewhere. However, the situation started because of HER behavior. It escalated due to HER behavior. He followed the golden rule of ATM: Ask her to comply with the rules. Tell her to comply. then, Make her comply. Once the first 2 options have been exhausted, she forces the officer's hand.
 
JustAFan said:
Probably the transit cops so what else do they have to do.
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That's an LAPD sergeant. LAPD recently won a contract for jurisdiction of some of the metro lines last year. So they, along with LA sheriff's dept, patrol the metro/train lines.

Believe me, a Lapd sergeant, especially one who requested to work the metro line, probably requested it to have a chill and low-key work schedule unlike regular patrol. I'm certain he wasn't actively looking to get involved in a pissing match with some young hippie bitch and end up on YouTube.
 
Grinner said:
You need to read properly and understand how cops act over here. If a cop is making a bust, on their own and people around are getting in your face then you need to take control of the situation for your own safety. He asked them to back off but they were still being rowdy.
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JustAFan said:
I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting shooting or even drawing the weapon on anyone for having their feet on a seat. There was a mention of drawing the weapon based on the actions of the people crowding around the cop.
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I see two people in that video, the 18 year old girl and the other one who also ended up getting arrested. I assume from the tone of voice that the person taking the video is male. They were arguing with him but I seriously don't see how drawing your weapon is going to improve that situation. He got his backup and they were arrested. Just 2 dumb kids, I'm sure most people on here have done far worse when they were young than putting their feet on a train seat. Don't think that means you deserve to have a gun pulled on you or get shot.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Definitely agree with last bit. You’d have to wonder how it escalated to the point he ended up on the train in the first place. Can only assume the silly cow was making some sort of point and the cops got called as a last resort.
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He probably was stationed on the train or taking the train between stations he patrolled.
 
freeurmind said:
I see two people in that video, the 18 year old girl and the other one who also ended up getting arrested. I assume from the tone of voice that the person taking the video is male. They were arguing with him but I seriously don't see how drawing your weapon is going to improve that situation. He got his backup and they were arrested. Just 2 dumb kids, I'm sure most people on here have done far worse when they were young than putting their feet on a train seat. Don't think that means you deserve to have a gun pulled on you or get shot.
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Okay if you are dumb enough to think anyone is seriously suggesting shooting anyone your too stupid to continue having a conversation with. The couple of people around him were definitely aggressive towards him and failing to follow requests from the officer to the point on spit on him. Dumb kids yes, that is why they got arrested and the whole incident went as far as it did. Blame clearly lies with the two dumb kids.
 
JustAFan said:
Okay if you are dumb enough to think anyone is seriously suggesting shooting anyone your too stupid to continue having a conversation with. The couple of people around him were definitely aggressive towards him and failing to follow requests from the officer to the point on spit on him. Dumb kids yes, that is why they got arrested and the whole incident went as far as it did. Blame clearly lies with the two dumb kids.
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You're first of all.
So which is it? No one is suggesting the police officer draw a weapon or people were acting aggressively towards the police officer so he would have been justified drawing his weapon. You're contradicting yourself.
 
I don't understand why he has to be so aggressive. As a cop, you should be well versed in dealing with assholes on a regular basis. How does arresting and making a scene help anyone in this scenario?
 
entropy said:
I don't understand why he has to be so aggressive. As a cop, you should be well versed in dealing with assholes on a regular basis. How does arresting and making a scene help anyone in this scenario?
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I thought he dealt with the assholes pretty well. If you watched the video, you'd see that it wasn't him "making a scene".
 
choiboyx012 said:
I thought he dealt with the assholes pretty well. If you watched the video, you'd see that it wasn't him "making a scene".
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I mean..he did drag her out and slam her against the wall. Both of them seem to have really poor communication skills. You can't go around arresting every teenager who likes to mouth off.
 
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choiboyx012 said:
I thought he dealt with the assholes pretty well. If you watched the video, you'd see that it wasn't him "making a scene".
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Also missing from this is the beginning of the entire encounter between them, so we don't see how it all kicks off

Hearing his body cam was recording so that should shed some additional light on the situation if it is true.
 
Get out of jail free cards lol wut. I knew Thailand has them but it's under the table stuff. The fact that this is allowed openly is outrageous.
 
:lol: I had no idea that was a real thing in America.

I can’t believe that’s a real thing.
 
JustAFan said:
Okay if you are dumb enough to think anyone is seriously suggesting shooting anyone your too stupid to continue having a conversation with. The couple of people around him were definitely aggressive towards him and failing to follow requests from the officer to the point on spit on him. Dumb kids yes, that is why they got arrested and the whole incident went as far as it did. Blame clearly lies with the two dumb kids.
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choiboyx012 said:
I thought he dealt with the assholes pretty well. If you watched the video, you'd see that it wasn't him "making a scene".
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How about we don't advocate escalating the situation by involving guns, feckinell. How about we err on the side of least possible escalation and violence?
 
afrocentricity said:
How about we don't advocate escalating the situation by involving guns, feckinell. How about we err on the side of least possible escalation and violence?
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Put yourself in his position where he is possibly being surrounded by a tense crowd. He has to make a decision with his own safety being paramount. This is the US where people carry guns. You're that cop, do you potentially gamble your life by just assuming that everybody will be nice to you in that situation? These days too many feckers are getting in cops faces and that contributes to these distasteful incidents of overt force.

Based on what we see, he handled the situation very well IMO.
 
van der star said:
I always wanted to work in the states as a specialist, for a few years, but as a brown guy who sports a beard for most of the year, I don't fancy my chances, looking at all this info. On a similar note, the girl in this video is silly and should have been reprimanded but who the flip arrests a couple of people over something as trivial as putting your feet on the seats in a train?!?!?!

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Struggling to understand why the media is using incendiary words on this as well.
From my perspective, the officer handled this well. Verbal requests failed, an escalation of force was applied to counter her refusal to move, and de-escalation happened outside the train, in spite of second antagonist.

This should be a training video on the right way to handle these situation.
 
Grinner said:
Put yourself in his position where he is possibly being surrounded by a tense crowd. He has to make a decision with his own safety being paramount. This is the US where people carry guns. You're that cop, do you potentially gamble your life by just assuming that everybody will be nice to you in that situation? These days too many feckers are getting in cops faces and that contributes to these distasteful incidents of overt force.

Based on what we see, he handled the situation very well IMO.
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He didn't go for his gun and escalate the situation, you saying he handled it well leads me to believe you agree that he shouldn't do that, so you are agreeing then?

And yes, I was putting myself in his position, what do you think I'm doing?
 
Yeah I'm with the cop on this one. The tricky part is what happened before the video. I think it's pretty telling the point at which the person with the camera started recording.
 
You know what anyone watching this young girl get manhandled for basically being a young girl and cheering and advocating more escalation/aggression needs to fcuk off. Imagine that was your daughter, some of you are weird.

@Grinner I don't need to reread anything my point which I think is clear is that I disagree with anyone claiming that he should have gone for his gun or that guns should have been involved. But I'm not American....
 
entropy said:
I mean..he did drag her out and slam her against the wall. Both of them seem to have really poor communication skills. You can't go around arresting every teenager who likes to mouth off.
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It was the minimum and appropriate amount of force to MAKE (remember the ATM rule?) Her get off the train. You're right. No one, not even cops, think its a good idea to go around arresting every back-talking teenager. But once she gets contacted by him regarding a code of conduct rule being broken, and refusing to comply, she forces the sergeant's hand to take action.
 
afrocentricity said:
You know what anyone watching this young girl get manhandled for basically being a young girl and cheering and advocating more escalation/aggression needs to fcuk off. Imagine that was your daughter, some of you are weird.

@Grinner I don't need to reread anything my point which I think is clear is that I disagree with anyone claiming that he should have gone for his gun or that guns should have been involved. But I'm not American....
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If your daughter was asked to leave a train by a cop and refused to do so what do you think the officer should do if multiple verbal requests have been refused and your daughter is being rude to him?
 
Desert Eagle said:
If your daughter was asked to leave a train by a cop and refused to do so what do you think the officer should do if multiple verbal requests have been refused and your daughter is being rude to him?
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How about, not draw their fcuking gun? Is this a controversial request? Am I missing something?
 
afrocentricity said:
How about, not draw their fcuking gun? Is this a controversial request? Am I missing something?
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He didn't draw his gun did he? You characterized what the cop did as manhandling. I'd like to know if you were in his position how you would have gotten her to leave the train?
 
Desert Eagle said:
He didn't draw his gun did he? You characterized what the cop did as manhandling. I'd like to know if you were in his position how you would have gotten her to leave the train?
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I'm talking to the people claiming he should have drawn his gun, based on the video that you just saw, did you agree?

If my daughter gets manhandled by police for having her feet on the chair, as long as she isn't battered to fcuk I'll be angry at her not the police. If on the other hand the policeman draws his weapon (and maybe my daughter or someone else gets shot - because that's what we're talking about potentially) for someone putting their feet up on a train (:rolleyes:) then its a different story.

This is something I'll never see eye to eye with some of you on...
 
afrocentricity said:
I'm talking to the people claiming he should have drawn his gun, based on the video that you just saw, did you agree?

If my daughter gets manhandled by police for having her feet on the chair, as long as she isn't battered to fcuk I'll be angry at her not the police. If on the other hand the policeman draws his weapon (and maybe my daughter or someone else gets shot - because that's what we're talking about potentially) for someone putting their feet up on a train (:rolleyes:) then its a different story.

This is something I'll never see eye to eye with some of you on...
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Why don't you try reading the thread again before looking even more stupid?
 
Grinner said:
That cop does nothing wrong. feck the stupid entitled little cow. I hope she got charged and has a record for being such a dick.
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Pogue Mahone said:
That video needs more Taser.
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Grinner said:
Those people around him were threatening enough that I could see him thinking about drawing and he'd be perfectly justified.
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Pogue Mahone said:
And if summary execution is ever justified, I'd happily vote for a cap in the back of the head to any cnut who kept their feet up on a train seat after being asked to remove them. Bang! Humanity's gene pool instantly improved.
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JustAFan said:
I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting shooting or even drawing the weapon on anyone for having their feet on a seat. There was a mention of drawing the weapon based on the actions of the people crowding around the cop.
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Grinner said:
You need to read properly and understand how cops act over here. If a cop is making a bust, on their own and people around are getting in your face then you need to take control of the situation for your own safety. He asked them to back off but they were still being rowdy.
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Basically, to cut this all short. I'm watching the video and seeing a teenage be annoying teenager, I didn't see huge amounts of force so I have no problem with it based on what I saw. I had a problem with some of the shit comments following it that were either 'she needed sorting out' or 'he should have taking or his gun'.

I'm imagining it being my daughter and thinking yeah that's annoying but you're all cnuts.... Some will say they were joking and I believe that. But lets not make out I'm going off on one for criticising your shite hot takes....

Our resident PO has said nothing other than he thinks it was handled well. No mention of guns or what else should have been done....
 
afrocentricity said:
How about you just explain what I've missed?
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Nobody is saying the cop should have pulled the gun on the train. What those posters are referencing is the situation outside the train when the cop was trying to handcuff her while being surrounded by people cursing and threatening him. In a country like America with all it's police and gun issues, we've seen guns drawn for much much less. Nobody is saying he should have drawn his firearm from what I've read just that the situation was volatile and if the cop felt threatened he could have been justified in drawing his gun. The reason people are praising the officer is because he managed to stay calm and in control where others might have panicked.

Some of those posts you quoted are clearly taking the piss.
 
afrocentricity said:
You know what anyone watching this young girl get manhandled for basically being a young girl and cheering and advocating more escalation/aggression needs to fcuk off. Imagine that was your daughter, some of you are weird.

@Grinner I don't need to reread anything my point which I think is clear is that I disagree with anyone claiming that he should have gone for his gun or that guns should have been involved. But I'm not American....
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I have a daughter. I like to think she would never have been this argumentative. However if this were her, I would still believe the officers response was measured and appropriate.
Pulling a gun? Throwing her to the ground? Kneeing in the back? Punching in the back of the head? Absolutely overuse of force, none of that was here. There was no emotional anger from this cop, no aggression except what was required, verbal attempts to de-escalate.

i don't understand what you are looking for in this situation? Let's make no rules or enforce none, where does that end? And at what point should we address this self entitled attitude that I can do what I want and get angry if anyone says otherwise, and if that doesn't work, play the race card.
 
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