Cop in America doing a bad job, again

NotThatSoph said:
Sure, but why would that matter?
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Because if you punch someone to the ground and then hunch over him to stomp on his head it's two seperate moves whereas here it's one prolonged shooting?

I have no idea why I'm arguing about these semantics .
 
KirkDuyt said:
Because if you punch someone to the ground and then hunch over him to stomp on his head it's two seperate moves whereas here it's one prolonged shooting?

I have no idea why I'm arguing about these semantics .
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Different moves, but actions all the same. Every single shot is a different delibirate action as well, they can stop at any time but chose not to.

90 shots, 60 hits.
 
NotThatSoph said:
Different moves, but actions all the same. Every single shot is a different delibirate action as well, they can stop at any time but chose not to.

90 shots, 60 hits.
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Christ they actually hit him that many times?! Grim. Anyway, not trying to downplay this, just wanted to try (and fail) to solve a discussion
 
KirkDuyt said:
Christ they actually hit him that many times?! Grim. Anyway, not trying to downplay this, just wanted to try (and fail) to solve a discussion
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Don't think this can be solved. Either I have to agree that Walker, who got shot 60 times, caused his own death, or our cop friend here has to change his mind. Neither will happen.
 
22 weeks is the average time spent training new police officers in the US. Considering the amount of weapons and drugs in circulation that is a joke and it's no wonder we see all that crazy shit. I went for two years in the academy and was then supervised by a experienced officer for one year before I even recieved a gun.
 
Denis79 said:
22 weeks is the average time spent training new police officers in the US. Considering the amount of weapons and drugs in circulation that is a joke and it's no wonder we see all that crazy shit. I went for two years in the academy and was then supervised by a experienced officer for one year before I even recieved a gun.
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Yep. This has been discussed a few times in this thread already, but there's a strange gap between the reverential attitude Americans have towards law enforcement (and the money they spend on equipment for them), and the very low time spent actually preparing them to do the job.
 
KirkDuyt said:
Christ they actually hit him that many times?! Grim. Anyway, not trying to downplay this, just wanted to try (and fail) to solve a discussion
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he was hit a lot of times, however the coroner is yet to determine which are entrance and exit wounds. So it’s unlikely he was actually hit 60 times. Even if it’s 50/50, it means he was at least hit 30, so make of that what you will.
 
entropy said:
it's remarkable because they are dumb and refused to take the vaccine
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they may have had the vaccine and still died with Covid. Wasn’t my point though really. The article talks about specifically the murder % going up. The laughing emojis are a nice touch to your well constructed argument though.
 
entropy said:
you're conveniently leaving out the most important part of my post "those numbers pale in comparison"
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compared as a percentage of officers murdered to unjustified police killings?

comparing 100 to 1 looks hugely disproportionate until you realize the 100 comes from a pool of 1,000,000 and the 1 comes from a pool of 10.
 
it’s still nowhere close to the number of people murdered by cops. also, the final number is even higher when you consider that cops don't exactly reveal the necessary data to the public.
 
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Skizzo said:
US Population 329 million
Law enforcement officers - 800,000

Us population - 0.0003462 killed
Law enforcement - 0.0075 killed
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That’s a disingenuous comparison as it assumes every person has an interaction with an LEO.
 
NotThatSoph said:
Different moves, but actions all the same. Every single shot is a different delibirate action as well, they can stop at any time but chose not to.

90 shots, 60 hits.
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This is not always true. Each officer is responsible for each shot fired, but that doesn’t mean each one is a different single decision and action. You shoot until you no longer perceive a threat. Very rarely do you find an incident where, in the immediate defense of life, someone shoots, asseses, shoots, assesses, until the threat is stopped.

And you don’t know what each officer’s thought process and perception was in choosing to stop or not.
 
entropy said:
feel free to add it if you feel like it. it doesn’t negate anything in reference to my post.
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Figured you wouldn’t give a straight answer. Judging by your posts I’ll assume you believe the cop is just another in a long line of murderous pigs tallying bodies for the year 2022.
 
choiboyx012 said:
This is not always true. Each officer is responsible for each shot fired, but that doesn’t mean each one is a different single decision and action. You shoot until you no longer perceive a threat. Very rarely do you find an incident where, in the immediate defense of life, someone shoots, asseses, shoots, assesses, until the threat is stopped.

And you don’t know what each officer’s thought process and perception was in choosing to stop or not.
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A punch is similar, except it usually takes longer between each action. Yet, if you go too far it's no longer self defense.

Perception is also not enough, it has to be at least somewhat reasonable. If you think a knocked-out person is a threat then you,re wrong, and it will not be self-defense. If you think a person lying on the ground with multiple gunshot wounds is a threat then you're wrong. At least if you're not an American cop.
 
NotThatSoph said:
A punch is similar, except it usually takes longer between each action. Yet, if you go too far it's no longer self defense.

Perception is also not enough, it has to be at least somewhat reasonable. If you think a knocked-out person is a threat then you,re wrong, and it will not be self-defense. If you think a person lying on the ground with multiple gunshot wounds is a threat then you're wrong. At least if you're not an American cop.
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Right. And as I said if any one of the officers began to shoot when person is on the ground, or deliberately and willfully continued shooting (and not as a time lag in physiological response) then that individual officer will have been out of policy.
 
Listen guys, those so called “kids” had bats in their hand earlier and they were swinging them hard. The sergeant had no way of knowing the bats were “left in the dugout” and obviously felt in danger. Completely justified. They brought in on themselves.
 
bosskeano said:
just like people are wanting to defund the police and put them in a position of exposure to harm? Stick cameras in their face trying to entice them into confrontation?

it works both ways....but only one side recognizes that
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The goal of defending the police is to reduce exposure to harm and its a fairly niche position anyway. Cameras aren't confrontations as much as protection in case cops invent their own confrontation.

I don't see much evidence that US police see themselves as anything other than divine protectors who are above the law and deserving of unlimited support and authority.
 
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