Cop in America doing a bad job, again

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TheReligion said:
The same as what?

Your comparing disproportionate use of stop and search powers to killing black people in the street regularly. Right.
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Aha, so you acknowledge it’s a regular occurrence? At least we are getting somewhere.
 
Sara125 said:
Okay. Btw I edited it in way before me and you even had this conversation just in case you think this is some sort of ‘gotcha!’ moment. I know it would make your evening if it was.
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Sara125 said:
Apparently a lot of the fires have been started by undercover officers

You actually did as per post 4597, but thats beside the point. You at least edited it.

Given the fact you didnt dispute the rest of my arguement im guessing you obviously see the fallacy in your alleged accusation.
 
Grinner said:
If you have something to add to the debate other than this kind of thing I hope you will do so. We don't need to see moronic mudslinging.
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Why did you quote me and not @TheReligion who has come into this thread and done nothing but that? This thread was going much better before the cops came in and started the, frankly offensive, propaganda campaign.
 
Sara125 said:
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Aha, so you acknowledge it’s a regular occurrence? At least we are getting somewhere.
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I've not once failed to acknowledge it? I'm not sure where you're going with this. I'm pretty openly critical of policing in the US and also open about my reasons as to why that is the case.
 
arnie_ni said:
Sara125 said:
Apparently a lot of the fires have been started by undercover officers

You actually did as per post 4597, but thats beside the point. You at least edited it.

Given the fact you didnt dispute the rest of my arguement im guessing you obviously see the fallacy in your alleged accusation.
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But then you brought it up again and continued to press the issue. That’s the conversation I’m talking about. And ‘apparently’ is similar in this context even if I had left it at that.
 
Silva said:
Why did you quote me and not @TheReligion who has come into this thread and done nothing but that? This thread was going much better before the cops came in and started the, frankly offensive, propaganda campaign.
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No it was going better when everyone was in agreement that this cop is a shithead and deserves everything he gets before people came in accuses all cops of being racist, fire setting murderers.
 
Sara125 said:
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Aha, so you acknowledge it’s a regular occurrence? At least we are getting somewhere.
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He's never denied it isnt a regular occurence in America.

He's not defending American cops in this regard
 
arnie_ni said:
He's never denied it isnt a regular occurence in America.

He's not defending American cops in this regard
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Yes, he has let me know. I don’t understand why you keep replying in this thread on behalf of grown men who can reply for themselves
 
arnie_ni said:
No it was going better when everyone was in agreement that this cop is a shithead and deserves everything he gets before people came in accuses all cops of being racist, fire setting murderers.
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I can’t be bothered to trawl the last few pages & I got moderated for calling out as posters post a while back so can you highlight the post where anyone calls ‘all cops’ racist.
 
Silva said:
yeah they do, accuse the cops of absolutely everything that goes wrong in MN during the riots and try to make sure as few people getting murdered in the aftermath like they did in Ferguson
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Accusing cops of things they havent done would add fuel to the fire id imagine.
Sara125 said:
Yes, he has let me know. I don’t understand why you keep replying in this thread on behalf of grown men who can reply for themselves
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Its an open forum, your not speaking directly to one person, but mainly because you seem fond of bending the truth and facts so I'll call you on it.

Can't we all just go back to the actual incident on hand and agree that the cop should be spending life in prison.
 
entropy said:
I am confused? so because you are a cop, we should just ignore all the stop and frisk searches that took place without a warrant or discriminated against black, brown, and other minority communities?
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I mean did you even read what I just said, like I don't get it. I AM TELLING YOU THERE ARE RACIST POLICE OFFICERS IN THE MET, THIS IS A FACT AND THEY WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE DISPORTIONATE FIGURES. My point, and it's the same fecking point I try and drill home all the time when people want an explanation for the disproportionate statistics and that is that outside influences and racism outside of the police contribute to it too and need be tackled just as the ones inside the police but people never ever want to address them, it's always the same "They're all racist, they protect each other", this is speculation, as officers are routinely fired due to reports made by other officers, this one being a very high profile one which involved racism .

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/met-police-race-row-women-1314723
Two women police officers have been fired after a conversation in which one of them compared black people to gorillas and monkeys.


The racist chat involving Special Constable Rosanna Garofalo and WPC Joanna Sugda was taped when a colleague left an iPhone on record in her locker at work.
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We get told about officer dismissals and it is almost always done because an officer reported on another officer, some may slip through the crack but the idea that everyone is ignoring everything is just bullshit to be quite frank.

I've told people time and time again what the Met are trying to do to combat this. Make recordings of all stop and search/use of force incidents mandatory, educating officers, being transparent with the public with their figures, holding officers to account for their behaviour, replacing the old retired officers with new graduate officers, black officers, Asian officers, eastern European officers. But like everywhere else in society you're still going to get the racists creping around, nobody applies to the met and discloses 'I am racist'.
 
arnie_ni said:
Just have red, moving on
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To what though? you clearly were only here to yell at folks who suggest cops are capable of far worse than you think. Anyone with more than an ounce of common sense knows that cops routinely spy on activists, protesters, and students who get involved in such protests. I mean it is such an American thing, they do it at universities to break up protests and to secretly weed out international students. It actually isn't news that cops are and always been trash and there is a long documented history of it. I genuinely don't know what you're trying to achieve by making the lazy argument "pls don't paint all of them with the same brush" when you know for a fact that these incidents are going to happen again and innocent lives are going to be lost.
 
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entropy said:
To what though? you clearly were only here to yell at folks who suggest cops are capable of far worse than you think. Anyone with more than an ounce of common sense knows that cops routinely spy on activists, protesters, and students who get involved in such protests. I mean it is such an American thing, they do it at universities to break up protests and to secretly weed out international students. It actually isn't news that cops are and always been trash and there is a long documented history of it.
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Sweeping generalisations are not generally accurate. A lot of what you say is true though.
 
entropy said:
To what though? you clearly were only here to yell at folks who suggest cops are capable of far worse than you think. Anyone with more than an ounce of common sense knows that cops routinely spy on activists, protesters, and students who get involved in such protests. I mean it is such an American thing, they do it at universities to break up protests and to secretly weed out international students. It actually isn't news that cops are and always been trash and there is a long documented history of it. I genuinely don't know what you're trying to achieve by making the lazy argument "pls don't paint all of them with the same brush" when you know for a fact that these incidents are going to happen again and innocent lives are going to be lost.
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I called out a baseless accusation.

Accusing cops of lighting the fires without evidence is exactly that.

Time would be better spent asking why the protesters are being tear gassed and shot with rubber bullets yet white anti lockdown protesters can storm a government building armed to the teeth and the cops just stand back and let them carry on.

Thats a systematic racial arguement that could be made right there.
 
arnie_ni said:
I called out a baseless accusation.

Accusing cops of lighting the fires without evidence is exactly that.

Time would be better spent asking why the protesters are being tear gassed and shot with rubber bullets yet white anti lockdown protesters can storm a government building armed to the teeth and the cops just stand back and let them carry on.

Thats a systematic racial arguement that could be made right there.
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Actually if you go through my posts on this thread I mentioned exactly that.
 
entropy said:
To what though? you clearly were only here to yell at folks who suggest cops are capable of far worse than you think. Anyone with more than an ounce of common sense knows that cops routinely spy on activists, protesters, and students who get involved in such protests. I mean it is such an American thing, they do it at universities to break up protests and to secretly weed out international students. It actually isn't news that cops are and always been trash and there is a long documented history of it. I genuinely don't know what you're trying to achieve by making the lazy argument "pls don't paint all of them with the same brush" when you know for a fact that these incidents are going to happen again and innocent lives are going to be lost.
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It's a bit weird because I want to go in your direction but something is wrong here. Ask yourself this question, why is it going to happen again? For me the answer clearly points to something else than the police, it points to society at large, the judicial and political systems have the same prejudice against african americans and I assume hispanics/latinos, the education system and the average american often have that prejudice too. None of these institutions are monoliths but on the topic of race american society is poisoned to the point where wherever you look a significant minority will create havoc at some point. And I don't see how they are going to fix that.

This situation reminds me this quote, a finger pointing at the moon isn't the moon.
 
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I don't understand all this jargon.
Why are the bastards not in custody?
Why do I keep hearing civil rights violation, what happened to murder?
Are the two mutually exclusive?
 
JPRouve said:
It's a bit weird because I want to go in your direction but something is wrong here. Ask yourself this question, why is it going happen again? For me the answer clearly points to something else than the police, it points to society at large, the judicial and political systems have the same prejudice against african americans and I assume hispanics/latinos, the education system and the average american often has that prejudice too. None of these institutions are monoliths but on the topic of race american society is poisoned to the point where wherever you look a significant minority will create havoc at some point. And I don't see how they are going to fix that.

This situation reminds me this quote, a finger pointing at the moon isn't the moon.
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Exactly. That's the first time I've seen anyone who frequents these threads even acknowledge that fact. This isn't to say officers who do these things shouldn't be rightly crucified but having a grown up conversation about these topics involves factoring things outside of the police but people just don't want to do it. And when you try and explain it to them, they go off on tangents and start insulting you. It's a problem in the UK too.
 
Bobcat said:
This is so fecked up. Honestly, its partly a cultural problem, partly a problem with racism, but the "easiest" way imo to fix this is a complete reform of police education in the US. I read that in the US the average length of time to complete police academy is 21 weeks, that's fecking nothing

Being law enforcement is a pretty important job with a lot of responsibility so i just find it baffling how lax the education is in the US. I dont know how good or bad the vetting is in the US (evidently its fecking shit), but i would imagine if the training period was longer it would be easier to sift out the arseholes who are unfit to carry a badge and a gun
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Why not make LEO a federal job, send them them to a single basic training location, then out to various tactical/technical training as required for whatever position/job/post they are being assigned to, then cut them an order to a location, ala military service?

Perhaps then we can have an overarching control/umbrella of this madness. Military is governed by UCMJ; some get away with crimes against humanity while others are punished accordingly, but at least there's some sort of overarching control and precedent. Certainly held to a higher standard than LEOs.
 
Not now, celebrities...
Madonna @Madonna 1hr
Brutal murder travels around the world my son David Dances to honor and pay tribute to George and His Family and all Acts of Racism and Discrimination that happen on a daily basis in America.
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Return of the Twinky Defense.
 
Madonna @Madonna 1hr
'And now, the daughter I rent will end racism & pay tribute to Malcolm Eggs by making an omelette by any means necessary'.
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MrMarcello said:
Sounds like America is in dire need of its own underground Project Mayhem (minus the leader who was losing his mind).
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What they need is more of what they’re doing right now. Burn it all down and start over. What they have currently isn’t working.
 
Anyone know how they can not charge the cops? I am trying to see if there is any logic to it. It seems so black and white to me.
 
entropy said:
I believe arnie will be staying the feck out of this thread for a while or he might be forced to say something constructive
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Why the feck do you prioritise annoying people rather than delivering a coherent argument? All I see in this thread is you and a few other muppets hounding down others that offer any alternative opinion. It’s a fecking pattern in your posts. Disgraceful.
 
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