Conte | Spurs Manager

Amadaeus said:
The initial argument wasn't even about poch last season, you used the worse period in his tenure, just to try and justify your argument. Even then, spurs was like 6 points or 9 points behind fourth. If Arsenal wins the remaining game in hands, spurs will be much worse of behind fourth than poch worse spell. To even use that spell shows how desperate you are, when the argument was never about that time of his career. Reality is things aren't good at spurs now and your desperate attempt to justify it is really embarrassing
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I really couldn't care less how things are at Spurs in all honesty,

But Spurs were 9 points off top four when Poch left, that was after 12 games, just 12 games!! In 14th place.

Spurs are now 7 points off top four with two games in hand.

I'll leave that to you to judge what the better position is. Although you'll probably get that wrong too!!

Are they in a good spell? No, which is great news for United, but the whole point of my post (which you have dug up needlessly) was they are still, even with the loss to Burnley, in a better position than when Poch left them, and there is no debating that as it's quite obviously true.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
Trying to argue that Pochettino is a better manager than Conte is absolutely fecking laughable, to say nothing of the fact that Conte cannot possibly be blamed for their current position as he came in partway through the season. Haven't you been banging the drum about how PSG losing the title last year was actually Tuchel's fault and not Poch's given the latter took over when PSG were a whopping one point behind Lille?
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Don't you know it's one rule for Poch and one rule for every other manager?? :lol: :lol:
 
Matt851 said:
This is a spurs team that has had a pathetic level of investment in recent years, and when levy has decided to invest it has been poorly directed e.g. ndombele. Getting two Juve rejects doesn't correct that.

Your comparison doesn't make sense because conte clearly would have been assured by levy their would be significant investment in the squad for him to join spurs. He was the best manager of the market when he joined spurs, in comparison ralf was in no position to extract guarantees from the glazers because his management record doesn't really warrant being at the club
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How can anyone realistically offer proper investment in a squad when you join them after the summer? Not a single team in the world gets the players they really want in January, unless the season has ended in the league they're buying from. It's completely unrealistic to say that Spurs should have done more in January, they did more than most as it is. Conte is a slapped arse
 
Champ said:
I really couldn't care less how things are at Spurs in all honesty,

But Spurs were 9 points off top four when Poch left, that was after 12 games, just 12 games!! In 14th place.

Spurs are now 7 points off top four with two games in hand.

I'll leave that to you to judge what the better position is. Although you'll probably get that wrong too!!

Are they in a good spell? No, which is great news for United, but the whole point of my post (which you have dug up needlessly) was they are still, even with the loss to Burnley, in a better position than when Poch left them, and there is no debating that as it's quite obviously true.
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If you want to use that criteria since you can’t argue any other point rather than the last tenure of poch reign, I will entertain that. You decided to nitpick times in each manager career that benefits your argument. I can do that as well, but I will entertain your argument which wasn’t the intention of the original argument

Conte record would be much worse of it wasnt for the fortunate and lucky wins that was noted by the other poster that posted the stats of how they won the game they won by just a few margin. That is the reason I quoted that poster to show how dire things are at spurs. You are mistaken if you think that a manager who at the end of a cycle that was 9 points of fourth vs a manager that is beginning his cycle that is 7 points of fourth makes the latter manager looks better. You are trying to justify that Spurs are in a worse position based solely on league form by saying spurs was 14th which is a lazy argument because when you looks at the points between fourth and even first place, the difference isnt much. if conte was managing spurs at that time, his league standing will make him not much better than poch at the time. Moreover, spurs players didn’t have the same motivation a new manager brings, so the players were still suffering from the high of getting to the champion league And the disappointment of not winning it. Financially as well, spurs has spent a lot under Mourinho and has backed conte in January, so even financially they are in a worse position as they are losing money compared to when they didn’t spend as much during Pochettino reign. When you add all of that together, there is no debating that spurs are worse of now then they were under Pochettino. If conte can turn things around and reach the high that poch accomplished at spurs, then I will admit that things wasn’t as bad it seems. Else, he will just be another Mourinho, nuno, rednap, and so on.

TheMagicFoolBus said:
Trying to argue that Pochettino is a better manager than Conte is absolutely fecking laughable, to say nothing of the fact that Conte cannot possibly be blamed for their current position as he came in partway through the season. Haven't you been banging the drum about how PSG losing the title last year was actually Tuchel's fault and not Poch's given the latter took over when PSG were a whopping one point behind Lille?
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Hopefully, Conte can get spurs to a champions league finals or stay there long enough to ensure they get their highest point tally and consistent champion league place. On your point regarding the title lose, relook at the argument earlier in that thread. A poster posted the result between poch and Tuchel that showed that poch has better results than Tuchel, so I don’t understand how it is solely poch fault. My argument was about how someone can have better results than the last manager, but then get blamed for a title loss, which doesn’t make sense.
 
Amadaeus said:
Hopefully, Conte can get spurs to a champions league finals or stay there long enough to ensure they get their highest point tally and consistent champion league place. On your point regarding the title lose, relook at the argument earlier in that thread. A poster posted the result between poch and Tuchel that showed that poch has better results than Tuchel, so I don’t understand how it is solely poch fault. My argument was about how someone can have better results than the last manager, but then get blamed for a title loss, which doesn’t make sense.
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Consistent CL place? Conte consistently wins titles. You can't possibly argue that Pochettino has a more impressive CV; you might as well argue 1+1=3.

Also, Pochettino didn't have anything close to the adversity Tuchel faced last year at PSG - and even then, Tuchel went 11-2-4 and Pochettino went 15-2-4. Hardly a massive improvement, especially when you consider the fact that Tuchel had no summer break post-CL and a COVID outbreak to deal with causing him to lose the opening two fixtures. And on top of that the lowest placed team Tuchel lost to was Lens in 7th - meanwhile Poch contrived to lose to Lorient (16th) and Nantes (18th). That's why people say Pochettino blew the title - because losing those fixtures was unacceptable given the gigantic disparity in talent and resources.
 
Amadaeus said:
If you want to use that criteria since you can’t argue any other point rather than the last tenure of poch reign, I will entertain that. You decided to nitpick times in each manager career that benefits your argument. I can do that as well, but I will entertain your argument which wasn’t the intention of the original argument

Conte record would be much worse of it wasnt for the fortunate and lucky wins that was noted by the other poster that posted the stats of how they won the game they won by just a few margin. That is the reason I quoted that poster to show how dire things are at spurs. You are mistaken if you think that a manager who at the end of a cycle that was 9 points of fourth vs a manager that is beginning his cycle that is 7 points of fourth makes the latter manager looks better. You are trying to justify that Spurs are in a worse position based solely on league form by saying spurs was 14th which is a lazy argument because when you looks at the points between fourth and even first place, the difference isnt much. if conte was managing spurs at that time, his league standing will make him not much better than poch at the time. Moreover, spurs players didn’t have the same motivation a new manager brings, so the players were still suffering from the high of getting to the champion league And the disappointment of not winning it. Financially as well, spurs has spent a lot under Mourinho and has backed conte in January, so even financially they are in a worse position as they are losing money compared to when they didn’t spend as much during Pochettino reign. When you add all of that together, there is no debating that spurs are worse of now then they were under Pochettino. If conte can turn things around and reach the high that poch accomplished at spurs, then I will admit that things wasn’t as bad it seems. Else, he will just be another Mourinho, nuno, rednap, and so on.



Hopefully, Conte can get spurs to a champions league finals or stay there long enough to ensure they get their highest point tally and consistent champion league place. On your point regarding the title lose, relook at the argument earlier in that thread. A poster posted the result between poch and Tuchel that showed that poch has better results than Tuchel, so I don’t understand how it is solely poch fault. My argument was about how someone can have better results than the last manager, but then get blamed for a title loss, which doesn’t make sense.
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Didn't spend much in Pochs reign?? Are you for real?
They spent a fair bit pal, bar one season he was backed a fair whack. Maybe not to the tune of the top teams but still had money there for him.
Also if you think Conte was backed this transfer window then again your slightly misguided. He wanted more, he didn't get it, instead he had to lose more than he gained.

If you think being 9 points behind top four is better than 7 points behind with games in hand then this conversation really is dead in the water, as it's rather like talking to a toddler.

I mean, at least your other wum posts are funny, now they are just plain wrong and desperate.
I'm leaving this here, feel free to respond but I am no longer a part of this conversation as it's inane and the answers coming back are insane.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
Consistent CL place? Conte consistently wins titles. You can't possibly argue that Pochettino has a more impressive CV; you might as well argue 1+1=3.

Also, Pochettino didn't have anything close to the adversity Tuchel faced last year at PSG - and even then, Tuchel went 11-2-4 and Pochettino went 15-2-4. Hardly a massive improvement, especially when you consider the fact that Tuchel had no summer break post-CL and a COVID outbreak to deal with causing him to lose the opening two fixtures. And on top of that the lowest placed team Tuchel lost to was Lens in 7th - meanwhile Poch contrived to lose to Lorient (16th) and Nantes (18th). That's why people say Pochettino blew the title - because losing those fixtures was unacceptable given the gigantic disparity in talent and resources.
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:lol:, because poch had an amazing squad and the requirement at spurs, Espanyol and Southampton is to win titles.

you said poch didn't have as much adversity, yet he signed Messi and Ramos, who adds more ego to the dressing room and makes the attack more dysfunctional. You even prove that what I said was correct with the result you posted. Your post is embarrassing and just trying to get my attention.

Champ said:
Didn't spend much in Pochs reign?? Are you for real?
They spent a fair bit pal, bar one season he was backed a fair whack. Maybe not to the tune of the top teams but still had money there for him.
Also if you think Conte was backed this transfer window then again your slightly misguided. He wanted more, he didn't get it, instead he had to lose more than he gained.

If you think being 9 points behind top four is better than 7 points behind with games in hand then this conversation really is dead in the water, as it's rather like talking to a toddler.

I mean, at least your other wum posts are funny, now they are just plain wrong and desperate.
I'm leaving this here, feel free to respond but I am no longer a part of this conversation as it's inane and the answers coming back are insane.
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The difference is only marginal and considering the hardship that he has to go through by remotivating, his squad after going to the champion league final, there isn't much difference between 9 points and 7 when you take in that context. The only one wumming is you as you believe things are better now then it as under poch
 
Amadaeus said:
:lol:, because poch had an amazing squad and the requirement at spurs, Espanyol and Southampton is to win titles.

you said poch didn't have as much adversity, yet he signed Messi and Ramos, who adds more ego to the dressing room and makes the attack more dysfunctional. You even prove that what I said was correct with the result you posted. Your post is embarrassing and just trying to get my attention.
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What does signing Messi and Ramos have to do with adversity last season? What are your excuses for him losing to 18th placed Nantes?

Also in case you haven't noticed, Conte almost single-handedly created the current Juventus juggernaut - when he took over there it's not like they were outspending the Milan sides.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
What does signing Messi and Ramos have to do with adversity last season? What are your excuses for him losing to 18th placed Nantes?

Also in case you haven't noticed, Conte almost single-handedly created the current Juventus juggernaut - when he took over there it's not like they were outspending the Milan sides.
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Poch inherited the same squad as tuchel when he got sacked, so when you said tuchel had adversity then also poch did. Next season, he added to that adversity by signing more egos to the dressing room. Juventus, has always won titles in Italy. Spurs has never won a title before in the premier league Era or made it to the champion league final. What poch did at Spurs was much more impressive
 
Amadaeus said:
Poch inherited the same squad as tuchel when he got sacked, so when you said tuchel had adversity then also poch did. Next season, he added to that adversity by signing more egos to the dressing room. Juventus, has always won titles in Italy. Spurs has never won a title before in the premier league Era or made it to the champion league final. What poch did at Spurs was much more impressive
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He didn't though? Because the adversity came from Tuchel losing his captain, having no break, and massive COVID problems at the beginning of the season compounded by the lack of fitness in the squad. PSG had to play fixtures at a brutal clip to start the year and this was on the back of no pre-season and limited reinforcements (e.g. swapping Danilo Pereira in for Thiago Silva). By the time Poch took over all that had been stabilised. And then he still lost to the teams who finished in 16th and 18th place.

And Juventus had been relegated and finished 7th the season before Conte took over and led them to an invincible season. Then he broke the Serie A records for wins and points in a season. But I suppose finishing 4th with Spurs is more impressive? :lol:
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
He didn't though? Because the adversity came from Tuchel losing his captain, having no break, and massive COVID problems at the beginning of the season compounded by the lack of fitness in the squad. PSG had to play fixtures at a brutal clip to start the year and this was on the back of no pre-season and limited reinforcements (e.g. swapping Danilo Pereira in for Thiago Silva). By the time Poch took over all that had been stabilised. And then he still lost to the teams who finished in 16th and 18th place.

And Juventus had been relegated and finished 7th the season before Conte took over and led them to an invincible season. Then he broke the Serie A records for wins and points in a season. But I suppose finishing 4th with Spurs is more impressive? :lol:
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Spurs making a CL final was more impressive than Juve Inter or Chelsea winning the titles. All 3 are favorites for the league in their country, No one ever imagined Spurs will make the CL final in their history
 
kaiser1 said:
Spurs making a CL final was more impressive than Juve Inter or Chelsea winning the titles. All 3 are favorites for the league in their country, No one ever imagined Spurs will make the CL final in their history
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Agree with this. Poch improved Spurs massively and made them a competitive team punching above their weight.

But Juventus was not a favorite in 2011/12. Winning the title after finishing 7th in 2 consecutive seasons was a big acheivment for Juve.
 
kaiser1 said:
Spurs making a CL final was more impressive than Juve Inter or Chelsea winning the titles. All 3 are favorites for the league in their country, No one ever imagined Spurs will make the CL final in their history
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I can’t get on board with this. Winning the league title with 3 different clubs is way more impressive than fluking a run to the UCL final. You could hardly call inter favourite either? To be honest you wouldn’t have really called Chelsea favourites either.

When Poch starts consistently winning things he can be in the same conversation as Conte.
 
Berbasbullet said:
I can’t get on board with this. Winning the league title with 3 different clubs is way more impressive than fluking a run to the UCL final. You could hardly call inter favourite either? To be honest you wouldn’t have really called Chelsea favourites either.

When Poch starts consistently winning things he can be in the same conversation as Conte.
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Juve Inter and Chelsea at those times were top 3 favorites in the league, Its not like he won with Leicester. Poch has won some title in France and will likely win the French league as favourite this season. I bet if Poch has coached Juve Inter and Chelsea while Conte coached Espanyol, Southampton and Spurs their results will be very different
 
kaiser1 said:
Juve Inter and Chelsea at those times were top 3 favorites in the league, Its not like he won with Leicester. Poch has won some title in France and will likely win the French league as favourite this season. I bet if Poch has coached Juve Inter and Chelsea while Conte coached Espanyol, Southampton and Spurs their results will be very different
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Didn’t inter break Juves run of 8 straight titles?
 
kaiser1 said:
Spurs making a CL final was more impressive than Juve Inter or Chelsea winning the titles. All 3 are favorites for the league in their country, No one ever imagined Spurs will make the CL final in their history
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You have to hearken back to the state of Juve when Conte took them over - they had been relegated more recently than they'd won a title, and were coming off the back of 6th and 7th place finishes. They weren't the powerhouse they are now - and the reason they have been so dominant is down to Conte. Same goes for Inter - Conte ended Juve's title runs, revitalising a side that had been fairly moribund for years.

With Chelsea sure, we were one (catastrophic) year removed from winning the title, but the way he stormed it by breaking records was above and beyond - we were far better under Conte in 16/17 than we were under Mourinho in 14/15. And on top of that, he's genuinely one of the most influential modern managers - there's no way 3 man defenses are as prominent today without Conte's impact.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Didn’t inter break Juves run of 8 straight titles?
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9. Juve stopped at 9 and as an Inter fan it was a massive relief, a double digit straight titles run would've been impossible to digest.
Anyway, we actually didn't actively break their dominance, rather we succeeded them - they stopped by themselves giving a badly-rejuvenated, ill-conceived squad to a newbie coach, and they barely scrapped 4th place on the finish line.
Conte did beat half-decent Milan, Atalanta and Napoli for the scudetto, he didn't go toe to toe with a dominant Juve and prevail.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
Consistent CL place? Conte consistently wins titles. You can't possibly argue that Pochettino has a more impressive CV; you might as well argue 1+1=3.
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Yeah, that’s his drive and what really justifies bearing with his lunacy, for a club and for the fans. He is also very able to deliver, once the pieces are in place. Truth is, too many clubs never won anything relevant, other clubs were used to win in a distant era, so that the winning culture is non existent or wane once Conte steps in to do his job.
 
abundance said:
9. Juve stopped at 9 and as an Inter fan it was a massive relief, a double digit straight titles run would've been impossible to digest.
Anyway, we actually didn't actively break their dominance, rather we succeeded them - they stopped by themselves giving a badly-rejuvenated, ill-conceived squad to a newbie coach, and they barely scrapped 4th place on the finish line.
Conte did beat half-decent Milan, Atalanta and Napoli for the scudetto, he didn't go toe to toe with a dominant Juve and prevail.
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Hear hear… enjoying Inzaghi against even less decent Milan, Napoli, Atalanta and Juve this season? :p
 
Bepi said:
Hear hear… enjoying Inzaghi against even less decent Milan, Napoli, Atalanta and Juve this season? :p
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Of course not =D
Actually, I liked the way we played under Inzaghi when we were on top form way more than the way we did with Conte, but the difference between a serial winner and a regular coach has become readily apparent when our form declined.
We're melting and losing confidence in a way we'd never do with Conte, and can't be waved away with the loss of Lukaku-Hakimi-Eriksen.

Anyway, you can only win against the opponents you have and I was just pointing out that a title-worthy Juve wasn't among Conte's opponents in his scudetto year.

Conte has many accomplishments in his CV but "breaking Juve dominance" isn't one.
 
Looking forward to the latest edition of throwing the players under the double decker.
 
So what is the excuse Conte is going to get this time? We were unlucky not to hammer them 5-0.

From what I've read they were pretty even with Spurs all the way into extra time.
 
Why does he not rotate the team? He's played the same attackers for like the last 6 games in a row, and their last game was only 3 days ago.

I don't understand it, how can top managers not realise fatigue is a thing and rotation is crucial? So poor.
 
marktan said:
Why does he not rotate the team? He's played the same attackers for like the last 6 games in a row, and their last game was only 3 days ago.

I don't understand it, how can top managers not realise fatigue is a thing and rotation is crucial? So poor.
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Look at the Spurs bench, who is Conte bringing on? The only attacker I recognise is Bergwyn, wtf is Scarlett, White, Devine? The team has been so poorly managed that the bench options are a bunch of academy players. And the players they do bring in are Juventus cast offs.

Guess that is what happens when you become Tottenham Hotspur urban development LLC rather than Tottenham Hotspur FC.
 
Levy would be wise to get Potter or the Saints manager in if Conte does walk, but I don't see why they would leave their respective clubs.
 
Tottenham's wait for a major trophy stretches on for a 14th year. Who will they choose next as their manager to end that wait?
 
Why doesn't Conte win cup competitions more often?

He hasn't won a CL or even an Europa - it's almost like he doesn't want to.

He can win a title regularly but not a cup as much.
 
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