But he didnt start crying 6 months into the job after 1 January window. That is the difference.
Conte | Spurs Manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
But he didnt start crying 6 months into the job after 1 January window. That is the difference.
Last 10 league games they are 4W-2D-4L. That's bad but the crazy thing is those results are flattering them big time.
4 wins:
1-0 vs Watford. 90+7' winner
3-2 vs Leicester. 90+6' equaliser, 90+7' winner
3-2 vs City. 90+5' winner
3-0 vs Palace. Played against 10 men for 60 minutes
2 draws:
2-2 vs dippers. Played against 10 men for 15 minutes
1-1 vs Saints. Played against 10 men for 50 minutes
When your only source of picking up points is either having a man advantage or scoring deep in added time, you know you're in serious trouble.
4 wins:
1-0 vs Watford. 90+7' winner
3-2 vs Leicester. 90+6' equaliser, 90+7' winner
3-2 vs City. 90+5' winner
3-0 vs Palace. Played against 10 men for 60 minutes
2 draws:
2-2 vs dippers. Played against 10 men for 15 minutes
1-1 vs Saints. Played against 10 men for 50 minutes
When your only source of picking up points is either having a man advantage or scoring deep in added time, you know you're in serious trouble.
game raising cnuts
Wouldn't have been surprised if he had gone for him. We would have panicked and hired him. I still rate conte and won't be lying I was also desperate for us to get someone good and sack Ole. Conte at United is a better fit than Conte at Spurs. But I am glad we didn't hire him.
Fergie, Klopp, Pep, Ancelotti, literally any manager that didn't burn the club to the ground or talk about how he's not used to losing all the time.
Players, Ronaldo, Messi, Maradona, Pele, literally any player that doesn't spend all their time talking about how they're great and the team is shit, and holding them back from achieving something.
Every single one of those managers and players have had their fair share of controversies.
Which club did Conte manage and burn to the ground ? even after leaving ?
Because every single club that Conte has left has won more than what we've won post Fergie. Except Inter who are firmly in the title race and he's only been gone 6 months.
Fair to say we dodged a bullett
His interview yesterday was fairly crazy.
His interview yesterday was fairly crazy.
Fergie never took to the media to make it known to everyone that would listen that he's used to winning games, the players are used to losing games and they're all shit and he doesn't know what to do about it. If you can't see the difference between what a real winner is and a toxic twat who's only motivated by self gain then you are going to get burned many times in life my friend.
Whichever way there is no winner in the situation
If its a board vs manager thing made public it only ever ends one way, if its a public admission of self doubt it sends all the wrong messages to fans and players
None of them would have done alright at Spurs, the same way as Conte wouldn't have done alright here.
RR and Conte's systems are based on player covering spaces, pressing, and running a lot in general. I don't actually think Conte's rant was about the board, it was maybe about players not listening to his instructions.
What irritates me the most is that they raised their game against City giving a chance for the worst to happen yet again. Still can't belive a lot of the CAF tought he was a suitable choice
I don't think Paratici would have gone after Rangnick. Tottenham is alway after a permanent head coach. Rangnick had a job as DoF in Russia. He only does short term coaching nowadays. We had to offer him a consultant role for next 2 years to persuade him to join. Tottenham and Paratici don't have that luxury at the moment.
Rangnick vision may also help Spurs as DOF. However, I don't think his coaching would help them even in short term interim role. They have personnel issue and mentality issue more than coaching issue. Poch himself had moved away from high pressing at the end of his tenure there. It's no longer sustainable for Tottenham with Levy not making the adequate key signings timely. Then with all the changes since, it would take a serious rebuild to be able to play high pressing style while also achieving top 4 this season and next season. The other big problem is motivation. Kane until Conte came, was out of it. He would stay uninterested if not for someone with reputation like Conte. NDombele is a lost cause at Tottenham. Ali needs a new club. Lo Celso injured a lot and doesn't have a role in this team. Rangnick wouldn't have enough authority to challenge Levy to get rid of these players. CB partnership for the back 4 was a mess since forever. Someone like Rangnick playing back 4 would not be able to improve that defense at all. Their midfield and attack is meh without the mentioned underperforming big name players. You're left with only Son and he is patchy player himself. As bad as we were under Ole this season, Tottenham was worse before Conte arrival for a reason.
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Very good post - it's scary when you see those numbers. Hadn't thought of that.
All the noise coming from Conte recently is all about the backing from the board. The timing too.
During all this time, Conte actually here and there praised his players for different things.
Oh, alright, then shit kinda hit the fan I guess.
How sustainable is this long term after every defeat he comes out and basically dares the board to sack him seems far to emotional to be at a club for a long time this would wear thin pretty quickly.
What you seen here is why United were never interested in him despite him being arguably one of the best managers in the world.
What you seen here is why United were never interested in him despite him being arguably one of the best managers in the world.
I said he’d walk at the end of the season but looks like it could be even earlier than that. 
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Not at all. Just because it didn’t work out for him at Tottenham, doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have been a great success at Man Utd. Conte is a proven brilliant manager.
I would take him in a flash. If you want to succeed you hire Conte and back him.
If you want to fail hire him and break his legs like Sours have
Conte moans about transfers everywhere he goes. I don’t know what he wants. He constantly complained at Inter even when they signed a truckload of players.
I rate him highly but there’s question marks about his behaviour and lack of achievement in European competitions
I rate him highly but there’s question marks about his behaviour and lack of achievement in European competitions
Man Utd was right not to go for him, i said it at the time.
We know with the markets and the like, no manager gets every player they want. He seems to have a moan and threatens to quit when he doesnt get a few players. Look at Inter, he was about to leave before the season he left.
Everyone talks about his ability to win titles, given he does get teams to a title but in Europe like you say, is a nobody.
Inter got knocked out the group stages in 2 seasons when he was manager.
He has never coached a Europe ready team.
Inter was lucky to reach the group stage before him… And they used to exit the EL quite early as well. Their EL final in 2020 with Conte was the first non Juve Italian side to reach a European final in 10 years.
Before Conte Inter was getting knocked out of EL group stage
What happened to him at Juve? Did he fall out with the board there too?
Right, so what did he do for Chelsea in the CL.
So he got to the EL final in 2020 and then the season after came dead last in the CL groups.
Chelsea weren’t Europe ready? Juventus weren’t Europe ready when they reached a Champions League final the following year?
The level of gloating on here about conte/spurs is incredible given the absolute dross we served up last night. I can understand people having reservations about having him at united but his record certainly stacks up against rangnicks, pochs and ETH. Spurs are also spurs, my guess is he had assurances from levy re investment in the team which weren't lived up to in January.
I still think we would be a better team with him in charge right now than we are with ralf and its easy to argue his case for the full time job
My guess is this place is full of ETH fan boys desperate to trash any other manager, despite probably only having seen a couple of ajax games
I still think we would be a better team with him in charge right now than we are with ralf and its easy to argue his case for the full time job
My guess is this place is full of ETH fan boys desperate to trash any other manager, despite probably only having seen a couple of ajax games
Agree, well said
If that were Conte last night it would be served up as a master class away from home. nobody said Rangnick over Conte, people said Conte isn’t the man to lead a rebuild and I can’t believe fans aren’t seeing his Spurs spell as not dodging a major bullet. The thickness to stay with a back 5 when it clearly doesn’t work is shocking from an elite manager
It definitely is a massive bullet dodged. There are alot of red flags with Conte.
Yes, he won the league at Chelsea and Inter then imploded. At Inter, he was about to quit after 1 season. If things are not going his way, instead of trying to work through it, he will quit. He is not a special coach that can turn things around.
Secondly, people talk about him being tactically great, this that but he only has 1 way of playing. 3-5-2, no other formation, no other tactics, its that way or bust.
Look at his European record, absolutely poor, for someone who is supposedly meant to be a top 5 coach.
He wants to make old/experienced signings rather than work with players and improve them, he wants ready made players which is not the way majority of football clubs operate.
No one would be lauding that performance regardless of who was in charge. We neither pressed or played in a low block and were incredibly lucky to still be in the game
Of course they would. There wouldn’t be this doom and gloom of it only being Rangnick and getting a draw, away from home against the La Liga champions would be championed a lot more on here. Add in actually being fourth as well.
it’s the same way Conte fans are downplaying his feck up at Spurs. It’s the same side of the coin.
Nothing great. But nothing shocking. He was ok, he got them out of the GS above Atletico (A club that in those years was doing much better than all English sides in Europe). Atletico's only GS exit in recent years, with Michy Batshuayi goal... Then he got the system right against Barcelona, got let down by an individual error and a Messi genius moment in the KO stage.
Apart from Demba ba stealing a qualification in Paris for Mourinho, Chelsea was not capable of doing anything in the CL. Tuchel changed that last year using Marina's good 2021 transfer window. Tuchel is definitely a better CL coach than Conte, but that's true of almost every coach out there.
Regarding Inter, the year after he got them fighting with Real like they were capable of taking that fight. They still lost to Madrid who also struggled in that group. Inter ended up knocked out because of 2 draws 0-0 against Shakhtar. In the last home game against Shakhtar one goal would have been enough to get the second place but a 0-0 saw them finish 4th. 0-0 against the same Shakhtar that his Inter had trashed 5-0 in the Europa League three months earlier. This time the ball didn't want to go in.
They lost 3-0 to Barca.
Yes you are talking about Ateletico team that won 1/6 in the CL groups? Chelsea finished 2nd to Roma.
Chelsea was not capable of anything in the CL? Chelsea won it in 2012.
Oh wow he got them fighting against Real, all I hear is excuses for him finishing DEAD last in a group consisting Sherriff.
Leeds have the worst defense in the league, surely got to get a result v them.
When Conte reached the 1/4 finals of the CL in 2013 with Juventus, it was the very first time Juve made it that far since 2006. He did that with Quagliarella and Matri as his attack. Bayern eliminated him with Robben coming off the bench... That was Conte's first CL participation ever, and he actually knocked Chelsea (then European champions) out of the CL group stage that year.
In 2014, he had many injuries early in the competition and then got knocked to the EL after losing to Mancini's Galatasaray with Sneijder, Drogba.. Under some strange circumstances, they couldn't play and had to stay another night in Turkey. When they went to the Europa the final that year was in Turin and he had to try and win it but the League was still the priority. Roma gave him a very tough title fight (Totti, De Rossi, Strootman, Naingolan, Pjanic...), that fight ended up costing him the EL semifinal second leg vs Benfica, when he didn't dare rotate the team. But the experience of the CL 2013 vs Bayern and of the EL games of 2014 made Juventus ready. If he had stayed he most likely would have had similar if not better results than Allegri.
He left angrily because he thought he needed more depth in the squad to stand a chance at winning both the CL and the Scudetto. He was wrong, Roma never managed to mount a challenge as strong as they did in 2014, and until Sarri 2018 Napoli were not good enough either. So he could have managed the league confortably and fought in Europe better.
Regarding Chelsea see the other post.
Chelsea won it in 2012 and bought Hazard only to get kicked out of the GS by CL debutant Antonio Conte managing Matri, Pepe, and Quagliarella in a Juventus that hasn't qualified for the CL in years. The Chelsea he coached was not good enough to finish the group above both Roma and Atletico, beating one of them was a good result (Atletico got 7 points, Chelsa and Roma got 11 pts). Roma lost the semis 7-6 on aggregate to Liverpool. They were a good side back then... (By the way Atletico managed to qualify this season 21/22 with 7 points.)
Regarding Inter you got your years mixed up. He never played Sheriff. He finished behind Real and Mönchengladbach , despite taking 4 points against Gladbach in the GS. There is no legitimate reason to ask an Inter that hasn't made the CL KO rounds in 10 years to be certain of beating Madrid or Mönchengladbach to the KO stage. That's why I say Inter were learning the CL again with Conte.
It is called context. You can take it as "lame excuse" if you'd like.
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He has only the January window so far and he brought in 2 players. How many teams buy dozens of players in January? Everyone knows how hard it is to transfer players in the January window because selling clubs wont want to derail their season midway
Conte was probably expecting to buy a dozen in January? At Inter he bought over 20 players in 2 seasons, His final season at Chelsea they spent 300M and signed like 8players most that were garbage
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This. What was he expecting in January, 5 players? The two he signed are good players.
And like you said, 20 players in two season at inter and he still whined. I don’t think Conte can have a harmonious time at a club, it’s not his character.