He needs a transfer window and to be backed by Levy with a bit of a war chest on his favoured targets. Spurs midfield is very average, Hojbjerg Skipp is too defensive, they need someone who can progress the ball in that area.
Conte | Spurs Manager
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Won't be long until they lose, I've watched their games under him and they really haven't looked good. Their run after the 2nd leg will be when I'll form more of an opinion though as they have Arsenal, Chelsea, Southampton, Wolves, City. Can easily see them losing/drawing most of those games.
No problem precious one.
Ah shifting the goalposts, it's now what the media are saying
Even in league football his big game record away from home isn't all that, certainly not in this country anyway.
His away league record for against the big six reads W2 D3 L5.
I'm not shifting the goal posts
When someone asks if his impact has been over exaggerated clearly the narrative that he's had an impact has come from somewhere so who did you think I was talking about?
The thing is he doesn't need to beat the 'big six' teams to get top 4. Just needs to beat the teams they're expected to beat which is what he's good at.
Conte needs to replace this Tuchel fraud. Conte's Chelsea would have scored at least 4 goals against Conte's Spurs, who are total garbage.
TBF We've been ahead in the XG in every league match we've played under Conte. We clearly need a bit of a rebuild because players like Tanganga, Doherty, Skipp, Hojbjerg aren't really good enough to be playing at this level and no manager in the world would have them lot playing at a much higher level than Conte is managing.
Hjoberg was excellent under Mourinho. Doherty superb for Wolves.
And in case we get in argument about excellent/superb they were definitely better than the level they’re showing for Conte.
I more meant collectively, like there's a lot of really average players and I don't think even Tuchel or Klopp would be faring much better with these guys.
Doherty has been dreadful since coming to Tottenham, Hojbjerg was decent under Mourinho but has gone to total shit this season, not really sure what's happened to him.
Easy recent fixtures and small sample size mean those xG stats can basically be ignored.
(yes, I know easy fixtures haven’t helped United)
I rate Hojberg but for sure some signing are needed. My gut is you’ll draw too many games to pick up enough points over the course of a season but I guess Arsenal/United are so fragile maybe that’ll be enough for top 4.
For sure. You’re obviously still nowhere near a title challenge with that squad. Just saying that Conte isn’t (yet) getting the best out of the players that are available.
They played against 10 men for 3 games in a row over Christmas, winning only one. He’s done well but a lot of the eagerness to praise him is because United stuck with Solskjaer rather than choosing him.
Also, I would have thought league cup was a great opportunity to become a modern day club legend & they blew it a bit tonight.
They are still in it though & have a chance of to get top 4 so we shall see
Needs a fit Kane & Son
Also, I would have thought league cup was a great opportunity to become a modern day club legend & they blew it a bit tonight.
They are still in it though & have a chance of to get top 4 so we shall see
Needs a fit Kane & Son
He praised us more in that post match interview than he did for his entire last season actually managing us.
Manager in their prime they said, then coach these players ? They were in UCL final 3 years ago , coach Ndombele , coach Dele Alli , coach Davinson Sanchez. Why keep asking for new players like that outdated finished dinosaur manager ? What's the point of being one of the best paid manager in the league if he couldn't coach those players ? He is just a walmart version of Jose Mourinho. Regularly threw players under the bus whenever he lost , bigger chequebook manager with less success and get toxic even faster , Never outdo Mourinho at Chelsea and Inter so don't expect it to be any different at Spurs. The difference is he doesn't have enemy in media to keep writing about all those thing. Funny how players are the problem now not the manager , spurs fans were so sure it was the manager back then not the players. You could say the same exact thing for United.
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Hojbjerg is serviceable to good in that midfield tough tackling role. Spurs lack any kind of progression or penetration from midfield however as Skipp is almost identical to Hojbjerg, they have to go to the wingbacks Royal and Reguilon for that. Their other options are Winks and Ndombele. Winks is a squad player, nothing more, never really improved his game and Ndombele just looks like Taraabt v2.0, lazy and disinterested. I only recently found out Ndombele is on 200k a week, Spurs have been mugged
Im guessing Ndombele is done under Conte who will look to get rid and bring in pretty much anyone else.
Im actually interested to see who Conte brings in and ships out. Id imagine Alli, Ndombele, Bergwyn all done under Conte.
Walmart Mourinho took Mourinho's relegation squad and immediately won the league with 93 points, setting the all time wins record. He then beat Mourinho in the next season's FA cup final while spending a small fraction of what Mourinho spent.
Doesn't say much about your Jose, does it.
I don't hate Mourinho like some here but you are completely lost my guy.
That Mourinho relegation squad had been champion the year before...
Mourinho inherited an Utd that was in a terrible state for years, what he spent could not fix that especially given that most of the money was spent in a single player.
Ducker in Telegraph today gives more detail on Conte/United. Says that it was felt he would be too “intense” for this “young squad” and his “micro-managing” of them wouldn’t be a good fit. It was felt they wouldn’t adapt well to too many instructions.
To me, they need to be micromanaged and taught how to play to instructions. Some of them have never been coached by a top coach. Also, this squad was young a while back but then they started splurging on old players again.
To me, they need to be micromanaged and taught how to play to instructions. Some of them have never been coached by a top coach. Also, this squad was young a while back but then they started splurging on old players again.
He signed player for every position except LB and 1 winger, spent shit loads of money. Most of this was before Neymar transfer, so it was all good money back then.
Dalot - Lindelof - Bailly - LB
(20M) (30-35m) (35m)
Matic Pogba Fred
(40m) (89m) (40-45m)
Mkhi Lukaku LW
(30m) (75m)
I was talking about his first year, but I misread what was written so my reply doesn't make sense.
In any case my other point still stands, we are comparing a Conte that had a squad that mostly had been champion 2 years before (and his champion year happened when he had no european games) and Mou inherited a squad that was constantly battling for top4.
And in the year he was eliminated in the FA cup final by Conte Mourinho actually ended ahead of him in the league, in 2nd.
This doesn't prove that one is better than the other or the reverse, I simply think these arguments that were used to say Conte is better don't make sense.
It's all PR.
The squad may have feared Conte's demands sure, not sure why anyone upstairs would have a problem with that - The board however would have been terrified of Conte's demands. He's not the guy to dress up what's happening behind the scenes. He would have publicly skewered the board and owners if he'd have been overseeing the shambles that's been the last few years.
I’m sure. I think he’d have been the best choice of manager and a top club should EXPECT to work with demanding coaches. I’d imagine Klopp and Pep (especially) can be an absolute pain at times. It’s worth it and it saves multiple players being a pain.
In the last 5-6 years it's not even a competition. I don't think anyone is arguing their careers, their current level.
Conte won league with Chelsea with lot of changes to the squad that struggled under Jose. He added David Luiz, Alonso, Kante, played Moses as wing back and Azpi as CB. That's most than 50% of the first 11 changed. Not sure why the team that won the league should be considered as "Team that won the league just 2 years ago".
Chelsea weren't even impressive when they played 4-3-3, they looked like winning machine when Conte switched formation to 3 at the back.
But we're in relegation form more recently. At United, in inherited a team level on points with City and which featured many young stars. He immediately shattered world transfer records on top of it and failed to even challenge for the league in his entire tenure here. His best finish was 19 points behind the champions.
Is the honeymoon over
Definitely not due to losing in league cup semi final. Still unbeaten in the league since he's appointed.
Hes getting this mad hype at moment from some united men, the folk who wanted him appointed.
Frustration could set in unless he gets what he wants. Toys will go out of the pram.
Great manager, but won't last that long at Spurs.
You can already see, in his post match views, that he is fed up.
If Levy does not back him, he will have no hesitation, in walking away, as he has previously shown.
You can already see, in his post match views, that he is fed up.
If Levy does not back him, he will have no hesitation, in walking away, as he has previously shown.
He's not even waiting for the success before dropping the mask this time!
This will end well.
I genuinely have no idea why he even took the Spurs job. A rash decision after United snubbed him? I don't get it. They're so well below his level, it's not funny.
Because he's moaned himself out of an elite career.
Based purely on coaching quality he'd have the pick of top jobs but very few think he's worth the hassle and he's clearly never going to change.
I'd still love him at United to tear apart the primadonnas the club currently has.
He’s got some shite to work with at Spurs. I think their squad is as bad and disjointed as the Utd one.
I’ve seen Spurs fans quite worried that he may jump ship this month if his signings aren’t made. While I can’t see that happening it wouldn’t be beyond the realm of possibility to see him say ‘feck this‘ and leave after the last game of the Spurs season, even if they get into the Champions League.
I‘ve said it before but I think he is basically a regen of 2000s Jose Mourinho, but a lot more moany to the point hardly anyone is going to touch him, unless it’s a national team where transfer demands aren’t a factor or some oil rich club that desperately wants to be up there like Newcastle, who will throw carte blanche immediately at him.
I’ve seen Spurs fans quite worried that he may jump ship this month if his signings aren’t made. While I can’t see that happening it wouldn’t be beyond the realm of possibility to see him say ‘feck this‘ and leave after the last game of the Spurs season, even if they get into the Champions League.
I‘ve said it before but I think he is basically a regen of 2000s Jose Mourinho, but a lot more moany to the point hardly anyone is going to touch him, unless it’s a national team where transfer demands aren’t a factor or some oil rich club that desperately wants to be up there like Newcastle, who will throw carte blanche immediately at him.
Conte makes Jose look like Ancelotti. Also he doesn't have the record in Europe 00's Jose has to help the elite clubs overlook his flaws.