Yeah I mean I can find many that are better than Ole.
The problem is just better than Ole is not good enough, we need a top top coach
Conte | Spurs Manager
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Yeah I mean I can find many that are better than Ole.
The problem is just better than Ole is not good enough, we need a top top coach
Sorry, didnt get this right maybe, you're halfway there being a Spurs fan? You're leaning towards them already or you're thinking it out still?
Given you're hoping they get top 4 instead of us I guess you have already decided.
6 months from now:
'If the likes of Pep, Klopp, Tucher, or Conte would be available, I would be for sacking Ole and replacing with one of them. But they are not, so let's just stick with Ole'.
We will see this written over and over again in the Caf.
'If the likes of Pep, Klopp, Tucher, or Conte would be available, I would be for sacking Ole and replacing with one of them. But they are not, so let's just stick with Ole'.
We will see this written over and over again in the Caf.
You're really underestimating Conte here pal.
One of the most significant aspects of his coaching acumen is his ability to raise the base level of all his players. People look at Juventus who won 9 straight Seria A titles, and Conte who won the first 3, and forget that Juventus finished 7th in back-to-back seasons before he won the league in his first season, becoming the first (and still only) team in the history of Seria A to go undefeated, and becoming invincibles. Chelsea also won the league in his very first season at Chelsea. Admittedly it was Pep's first season, Klopp was still getting settled, and that Chelsea team was strong but it was still a major achievement to come in and absolutely storm to the league.
For the longest time, one of the longest tropes pundits and such would say is that a team can't win the premier league title playing 3 at the back. After that Arsenal game, he changed the system and never looked back. Under Conte, Chelsea became the first team to win 30 games in a premier league season. He also secured the second-highest points tally in the league up until that point.
Funny enough Conte's most impressive achievement might be what he did with the Italy team at the Euro's which many Italians concluded was the worst Italian team in terms of talent and personnel for the last 30 years.
Truthfully Conte probably won't league win the league this season because there's too much ground to make up. And quite frankly I don't expect him to be there past 2 or 3 seasons, if even that. However, make no mistake, Conte will pitch this Tottenham team to their most optimal level for what's left of this season (Spurs sacked Nuno at a time where they are very much in touching distance) and they will 1000% significantly push every other team for one of the top 4 spots.
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The absolute pinnacle would be 4th and a cup.
More likely he'll have them in 5th-7th place, which actually would be an achievement because if Kane is cooked/disinterested then this is a team with 8th-10th place talent.
The biggest problem at Spurs for the last three seasons has been the squad, not the manager. Conte is great but he isn't a miracle worker. Going back to Poch's last 8 months in charge, three successive managers, none of them total slouches and four if you want to include Mason, have failed to get much of a tune out of players like Dele, Dier, Sanchez, N'Dombele, Lo Celso, Winks, and Bergwijn. All those guys are in their prime ages of 24-27 and are supposed to be the core of their rebuilding project. Any truly high end outcome for Conte depends on him whipping 4-5 guys from that group into shape. But the much more likely scenario is that they're just not very good, Conte will discover that eventually in the same way that Poch, Mourinho, and Nuno did, and he'll then end up telling Levy that the squad needs huge investment and overhaul to be competitive.
Missed the boat on yet another elite manager, the board are either too incompetent to make necessary change or too cowardly to let go of their yes man. Probably both actually.
I wouldn't be feeling like this at all IF we had showed some balls and done the right thing last Monday, however everything you hear from the Utd journos suggest the club are desperate for this apprenticeship to work out. He shouldn't still be here and it needs Spurs to show the club we have made a disastrous decision in backing this guy.
What a mess some of you lot are in. Just start supporting Spurs then, who knew Conte was such a draw.I rate Conte highly but people really go overboard with this stuff.
The pattern of Conte's teams is that he gets great performances out of a few ordinary players (most often the wingbacks) but also combines them with a core of absolutely world class talent, especially in the center of the park.
He did a masterful job at Juventus, but they had legitimately great talent both to build upon (Buffon, Bonucci, Chiellini, Barzagli, Marchisio) and that was eventually acquired by Marotta (Pirlo, Vidal, later Pogba, and Tevez).
At Chelsea he already had the most important 7-8 players from a team that walked the league two years previously before essentially downing tools for a season. And then he added Kante and David Luiz. People talk about winning the league with Moses and Alonso as his wingbacks but the rest of that team was really very good, including some absolutely world class players and a few just a level below.
At Inter he took a team that finished 4th then Marotta gave him four really top shelf players in Lukaku, Hakimi, Barella, and Bastoni, as well as a bunch of squad players like Eriksen and Vidal.
Conte is a really good manager but just like other top level managers he is nothing without a group of elite players to build a side around. Spurs have only 1-2 of those depending on whether you think the fork sticking out of Kane's back is temporary or permanent. Nobody else in their squad has shown any real signs of being able to get to that level, except maybe Romero.
Good.
The united hierarchy has pissed off most concerned fans, including me.
Definitely rooting for
1. Chelsea
2. Man City
3. Liverpool
4. Spurs
In that order.
Ole and gang can revisit Europa again.
The united hierarchy has pissed off most concerned fans, including me.
Definitely rooting for
1. Chelsea
2. Man City
3. Liverpool
4. Spurs
In that order.
Ole and gang can revisit Europa again.
I was wondering if he'd appear again with Conte in charge but I saw in his meltdown thread that geebs said he's been banned for ages.
Such a good point.
Speaking as a Chelsea fan, I truly believe that the current United Squad would be the best fit for Conte out of all 20 PL teams currently.
With Ronaldo, Varane, Rashford, Pogba, Shaw etc United actually has such a strong base to implement a 3-4-3. I would have envisioned someone like Rashford having his best season in terms of performances. Maybe not even in terms of goal scoring, but as an important cog in the team. Akin perhaps to how Rooney functioned in 07-09 for example. Inter won the league with alot of the United deadwood. I have absolutely no doubt that had Conte joined United this season they would make a significant title push. At the very least, by the end of the season they would be within 2-4 points of the team that finishes 2nd, if not first, and that's being mindful of the ground they need to make up.
Ok.
COYS I guess or whatever you Spurs fans say.
Maybe its that, not sure.It is Cock isn't it.....
He's a draw because takes no messing and the club badly needed someone like that, just a pity they were too blind to see it
He’s clearly effective, or has usually been effective. I would have taken him. After the Liv result I would have taken anyone. But I’m not sure I would enjoy Conte if he didn’t win trophies for us.
After our recent lean years, winning is (almost) everything now.
So if Conte could win for us I would not care about anything else for the time being. Question is could he operate and win titles under the Glazers?
And what does he need to achieve at Spurs to convince that he could finish better than Ole and Mourinho’s best effort here? By that I mean at least 2nd and closer to the eventual winner than Ole or Mourinho managed. Can he win or finish 2nd with Spurs? I doubt it but it could happen.
I don’t like him much but I’d definitely take a punt.
After our recent lean years, winning is (almost) everything now.
So if Conte could win for us I would not care about anything else for the time being. Question is could he operate and win titles under the Glazers?
And what does he need to achieve at Spurs to convince that he could finish better than Ole and Mourinho’s best effort here? By that I mean at least 2nd and closer to the eventual winner than Ole or Mourinho managed. Can he win or finish 2nd with Spurs? I doubt it but it could happen.
I don’t like him much but I’d definitely take a punt.
Yeah well when your board is the biggest bunch of pussies then there is no hope
That spurs squad has been under performing way be low they actual ability. I fully expect him to sort it out even before he adds any transfers to it
Honestly I feel a little bad about this... Losing out on a top disciplined manager like him to Spurs meanwhile we have an absolutely atrocious manager. I think he will make an impact quite quickly on Tottenham and perhaps they will reach top 4 now on the expense of us.
Great post and good point - I am actually quite shocked how many United fans are blinded by the very misleading cliché Mourinho = Conte. Then again, for some of them as well as for our board it was never about football and success on the pitch.
Nah I’m not comfortable going after specific posters and in fact I don’t even have anyone specific in mind, but take a look if you fancy at the thread about if United forum is safe and read few posts in the would you have Conte thread, you’ll find it easily. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion and we are all United fans, but it just stuns me how can someone have such a completely different view on what’s happening at our club than me, majority of the Caf and most of the fans I know (never gonna make any claims about what “most of fans” want, as we just can’t know that)
Conte won't put up with Levy's bullshit that's for sure. Without a doubt Levy will have promised him a good transfer purse and if he fails to deliver it, Conte won't think twice about putting him to the sword in press conferences. I can only see this ending in embarrassment for Spurs and Levy when Conte walks out on them.
Looked at that thread and haven't noticed one poster who doesn't want Conte and wants to keep Ole. Not one.
Some don't fancy Ole but that doesn't mean that they'd rather keep Ole, those 2 things aren't automatically connected.
Saw alot of people saying Tuchel wouldnt do much at Chelsea when he came in, this appointment has the same feel about it.
A great manager, and with the Spurs squad he will at least have them disciplined if nothing else, he wont be getting beat by 3/4 goals.
A great manager, and with the Spurs squad he will at least have them disciplined if nothing else, he wont be getting beat by 3/4 goals.
Top signing, Nuno must be riddled with regret for ever leaving Wolves.
Unbelievable.
United P10, won 5 lost 3, drew 2
Spurs P10, won 5, lost 5, drew 0
Which club have bigger ambitions for this season?
United P10, won 5 lost 3, drew 2
Spurs P10, won 5, lost 5, drew 0
Which club have bigger ambitions for this season?
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Again you're underestimating the ability of Conte. Spurs strength lies in their quick counter attack and Conte's tools and system is a perfect way to exploit their strengths, he also likes attacking wingbacks so wouldn't be surprised if he gets good use out of Doherty/Reguillon. They are poor in defence and midfield but Conte's system provides support for that. Another thing that people need to realise is Conte would never have taken the job if not provided with a promise of investment in the January transfer window, if let's say in Jan he's within touching distance of top 4 (like he is now) and they spend 100 m on players that suit him, I would assume he would look for a CB and a couple of CMs I would put them as favourites for the 4th spot over us (assuming we still have Ole) and Arsenal.
It was just last season we United fans were laughing at Conte taking Ashley Young, Lukaku, Darmian and Alexis Sanchez of us. Who were widely regarded as deadwood, not just by us United fans but fans of other EPL teams. Yet, they were all pivotal in Inter winning the league. I can see Conte getting the best out of Spurs's current team and a lot of people being surprised on how good some of those players are (especially Ndombele).
His record breaking 2013-14 season in Juventus, is still not talked about.
Conte is far superior coach and it will tell by the end of the season. Let's wait and see.
Conference Leagur, League Cup and FA Cup are all possible and so is top 4 finish if he hits the ground running.
My feeling is one cup and 4th or 5th.
Exactly this. We did this exact same thing last year with Tuchel and Chelsea did the exact same thing that Spurs have done (I.e. be ruthless).
Ironically, if a young Sir Alex Ferguson was available today, we wouldn't hire him because we'd stick with Ole and he'd be hired by Newcastle (probably).
Doubt Conte is interested in the Conference League …who the hell wants that on their CV. Best he concentrate on the PL.
Think the Spurs personnel are perfect for his 3-5-2 style. Think Son and Kane will fire up this weekend.
Yep Spurs are more ambitious because they brought in a manager they wanted 3 months ago. Didn't want to accept his conditions, hired a 8th choice and realised its going shit, so they panic and accepted Contes requirements.
United didn't want Conte, but because Ole is doing bad and Conte is available, it would have shown ambition to sign him up?
No that is not ambition, its panic.
Ambition is when you plan to win something, build towards that goal, not start building a plan with a young squad, certain way and give the job to a manager who was similar to one who is the reason we needed such a rebuild.
He is a top shelf manager but not a miracle worker. All of his teams since Juventus have had plenty of elite or near-elite players in the spine of the team.
I'm sure he has been promised investment but January is a terrible time to buy players, especially if you are allergic to paying above the odds (definitely true of Levy).
At Inter Lukaku was pivotal but he was a top shelf striker already. Young and Sanchez were squad players and Darmian was on the other Milan team.
Inter had a really good team. Lukaku, Lautaro, Barella, Brozovic, Bastoni, Hakimi, De Vrij, Skriniar is a very good group of talented outfield players. He got useful performances out of veteran squad players like Perisic, Young, Vidal, and Eriksen too but he had a core of prime age players that were either world class or just a level below. Compare that to Spurs and the strike partnership is roughly similar level but Spurs are much less talented in every other area of the pitch.
The biggest casualty will be Kane, I think. I can picture him telling his boss, "Conte, partirò."
When does the sack watch thread get opened? He’ll probably do decently remainder of this season and next, transfer budget depending, but he’ll be gone by Christmas 2023. Doesn’t seem to last much more than 2 years anywhere.
I thought he got sacked as they were teetering around the drop zone?
He wasn't given a new contract at Wolves.
He has only been given an 18month contract.