I didn’t want Conte at Utd as I think he’s a poor fit for what we need however, he’s a world class coach and he will get much more out of this spurs squad. It’s an issue for us now as Conte will be a real challenge for top 4. Having said that I’d Ole can’t see him off it will be just yet more evidence we need a new direction.
Conte | Spurs Manager
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I hope this ends up like Ancelotti at Everton
There's no doubt that he did a great job at Chelsea during that first season, the switch to a back 3 took the league by storm and nearly everybody was caught flatfooted, but next season, when the other teams caught on, and he had a dogshit summer with Morata, Drinkwater and co, they were 30 points behind league winner and 23 points behind their own record the previous season.
Signing mostly Man Utd deadwood doesnt mean anything, players can fail at one club/league and has a great time at another, Robben and Sneijder were deadwood at Real, need I remind you. The fact remains that over those two seasons, he spent the most money in wages and transfers in Serie A. That transformation didn't come at the drop of a hat, and for every Lukaku who found his groove in there, you have a Sanchez who was still adequat at best and a Eriksen who is still in the mud. He is tactically sound and does improve players, but he's no miracle worker.
As I said, I share the frustration of the majority of this forum regarding our manager, but just because ours is terrible doesn't mean its all roses for whoever we decide to put him up against.
Imagine after the talk of Ole 4d chess getting Nuno sacked so Spurs got Conte. That Spurs beat us to top 4, which results in Ole getting the sack.
I don’t get people saying “I’m not too worried, he may get them to top four but I can’t see any more” - erm, that’s our 4th place gone
I think I know better on both cases, simply because my direct/indirect sources are more in the knowledge or more in the game. I am just parroting the whispers of insiders, over here, as an Italian fan interested in the perspective of a big, international, diverse forum like this RedCafe.
He also achieved more in the season he got sacked than OGS has achieved in 3 years at Man Utd…
Think about that.
Weather the storm folks.
The media will love the story that United missed out on Conte when they start picking up results and we drop points.
The media will love the story that United missed out on Conte when they start picking up results and we drop points.
I personally can't wait to watch it all unfold in tears at Spurs and set them back even further.
The same manager that has left when he doesn't get the players he wants with the fiscally tight spurs ownerships its gonna be great.
Mix in the squad is full of dead weights people who want to get out the door and some players that just never look interested it's going to be a great spectacle.
The same manager that has left when he doesn't get the players he wants with the fiscally tight spurs ownerships its gonna be great.
Mix in the squad is full of dead weights people who want to get out the door and some players that just never look interested it's going to be a great spectacle.
Which will see Ole gone.
Then with any decent coach we will walk the PL next season. If Ole can get 3rd,2nd with this squad an upgrade like Rogers,Ten Hag,Zidane etc should be able to win the PL with 90+ points. The upgrade will also have 120m+ to spend on players. He will have no excuse not to do much better than Ole.
Absolutely. He doesn’t have an amazing CL record but Juve did okay with in him Europe but started from a really low base. Chelsea hadn’t even made Champions League in the season before he got them there, and Inter have not been anything in the CL for 10 years. His record in Europe will improve at some point IMO. I think he’d have done great at United.
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The "when teams caught on" doesn't make sense. The 2nd season at Chelsea didn't fail because the teams knew how to play against him. They failed because he fell with the board over the transfers. Need to remind you he was 3rd in the league in Jan and even went 2nd ahead of us at one point, they fall apart mostly by the second half of the season. He still won a trophy.
There's nothing called "teams caught on his formation". Just because you know how to stop a certain formation, it doesn't mean you can pull it off. Every manager in the league can work a plan to stop Pep's possession system but good luck finding players good enough to do it, so this argument doesn't make sense.
I didn't say he "improves" players. I said he extracts a lot more from average players than your average Joe. He knows how to cover the weakness of his players tactically and how to get them to put 200% of their efforts on the pitch to look better than their actual quality. He does the tactical adjustment and can motivate his players. You won't transform an average player into an elite but you can extract a lot from him if you are a top coach, like you know, what Fergie used to do and what Klopp did/is doing at Liverpool.
No one said he's a miracle worker but he's a top class coach and would have been perfect for Man United. I had no doubt in my mind he would have won the league with us within at least 2 years.
I don’t see that. He won’t be there for long but Ancelotti had been on a slope for a while and is not the most active trainer. Conte is still at the top and is a much more driven, intense character. He knows his way around the training pitch. I think he can get them top 4 this season as there’s a lot of time left. There could be injury issues though because he’s going to be getting them fitter during the season. That could be a problem.
We're the dumbest club in the world.
Wishful thinking.
Zidane doesnt wanna come here. Rodgers is a serial bottler, he aint winning shit. Whether Ten Hag will come here, no one really knows, chances are less. Lets assume he does, after we finish 5/6th with Ole in charge. Cavani, Pogba, Ronaldo would have likely left after we finish in Europa places.
To topple Pep, Klopp, Tuchel and Conte, will be a huge huge ask from an inexperienced manager. To say we would "walk the league" is deluded.
All I can think is we'd better be in for a top manager in summer. The doubts around Conte's style and short-termism were worthy of debate, and if he isn't your personal cup of tea or you favoured somebody else fair play to you, but it is for me not worthy of debate that Conte is a better manager than Ole who had better chance of making a success of this season and next. If 12 months from now we're still with Ole, with no trophies and no clear direction back to the top, or treading water with a caretaker we'll have every right to ask why we didn't pull the trigger when we seemingly had the chance.
He's certainly a better manager than present day Jose but when he's "on one" he makes Mou look a pussy cat.
Yeah it was his behaviour that caused out collapse not any form of incompetence.
Which in many ways made it worse, as amazing as a fully motivated Conte is, a half arsed one made games feel like a chore.
Yeah just like I said in another thread what a bunch of absolute yankee scumbag leeching pussies we have running this club
Add to that his very poor record in Europe. When he won the title with Chelsea, they had no European football so he could concentrate on one game a week. Last season for Inter, they got knocked out in the group stages of CL so again same team week in week out.
The reaction to him going to Spurs is crazy. Some people making it seem like he is Klopp, Pep level coach.
I feel saddened he's their manager and not ours.
Another elite manager in the PL, with a proven track record of winning high end trophies.
And yet still the MUFC powers that be feel we can be successful without one of our own. Baffling.
Still, this isn't a United thread so I will simply say well done Spurs, fantastic business and good luck.
Another elite manager in the PL, with a proven track record of winning high end trophies.
And yet still the MUFC powers that be feel we can be successful without one of our own. Baffling.
Still, this isn't a United thread so I will simply say well done Spurs, fantastic business and good luck.
Fücking hell, we really have a clueless board don't we
I don't think they are saying Conte > Klopp/ Pep, probably more saying Conte > Ole.
The second point surely cannot be argued.
You know what I hope he makes life absolute hell for us just so Utd get the message of what they have stupidly snubbed
Probably have a similar spell as Mourinho and be fired in 18 months
I think he will do well at Spurs. He will organise them and put fire in their bellies. It will be an interesting watch as he is a master tactician.
Well I'm already halfway there with my dad supporting them, game tonight has no feeling to me at all. I really hope they get 4th and then see just how loyal these yankee scumbags are to their precious little Norwegian shield
I wonder what changed from the deal going sour in the summer to now? Smells of desperation to me, but I still think Conte has the players at his disposal there to build a decent team.
We need to put together a run of results and start to distance ourselves from the pack that will be sitting in that 5th-9th place.
We need to put together a run of results and start to distance ourselves from the pack that will be sitting in that 5th-9th place.
interesting to see Spurs appoint Conte, won multiple league titles, let's see how Spurs do under his management.
Will be an initial boost for them, and then it'll all crumble. Just watch.
I think Conte is great but Conte + Spurs? Pssh...
I think Conte is great but Conte + Spurs? Pssh...
This will end badly, Levy will make sure of it just by being Levy.
Sad to see that there is quite a large amount of elite managers in the premier league and none of them work for Manchester United...
Hope he will do well at Spurs even if it is only to show all the people who didnt want Conte for United how wrong they were.
Hope he will do well at Spurs even if it is only to show all the people who didnt want Conte for United how wrong they were.
He has six pretty easy games in all comps to sort out his team. That is pretty dangerous.
As Rick James once said. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
Conte looks thrilled. He'll never win the smiling trophy with that attitude. We dodged a bullet there.
They could actually win 2 trophies this season now.
Can you find a few?
What do you think Spurs could realistically achieve this season under Conte?
There still seem to be a few problems there that a new manager alone won't solve. Not sure if they have the squad to do anything that drastic, and Kane is in worrying form.
There still seem to be a few problems there that a new manager alone won't solve. Not sure if they have the squad to do anything that drastic, and Kane is in worrying form.
I think he’ll get a tune out of Kane. That’ll be a great start.