Simeone has achieved more in the game with a similar style. I don't understand why this is so difficult for you to comprehend. Conte has never proven himself when it comes to the Champions League.
Conte | Spurs Manager
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Conte is superb manager, world class is anyways meaningless term, both for players and even more for managers.
He isn't someone who will play proactive, front-foot football (even though @balaks thinks with more signings he will) but he is a winning manager. He sets up team to win by playing defensively solid and counter attacking football. He has made impact in a good way at every single club he has managed (at least starting from Juventus).
He isn't someone who will play proactive, front-foot football (even though @balaks thinks with more signings he will) but he is a winning manager. He sets up team to win by playing defensively solid and counter attacking football. He has made impact in a good way at every single club he has managed (at least starting from Juventus).
Both appear to be on a downward trajectory to be honest but Simeone in Europe will always be superior to anything Conte did, I think.
It’s more absurd for you to dismiss his point. I don’t like either manager as I think they are both shite.
But to say someone doesn’t know anything about football because they suggest Simeone is better than Conte suggests you know less about football than he does.
A Simeone who has won 2 league titles competing against 2 of the most successful clubs in the world ever. A guy who’s also got his underdog team to 2 champions league finals and lost narrowly on penalties and in extra time against a formidable Real Madrid.
Meanwhile Conte has never even got close to a UCL final.
Jose has won more trophies than Conte yet he’s not world class anymore either.
I'm going to take a break from this forum today because I can see the trolls are out in force.
Ciao.
I dislike Conte's football with a passion but I feel it's not on to dictate how Spurs fans should feel about him.
You should really elaborate this more. If you dont agree with him dont just call him a troll but make your point.
The idea that he has not improved them is so weird. Mourinho had a point average in the PL of 1,64 ppm. At his best season (the first, because the got gradually worse under him) ha managed 1,71 points per match. In his last season they managed 1,56 PPM.
In other words, Mourinhos range over 38 games equal between 59 and 65 points. In Contes past 41 game they have an average point per game of 2,00. Over a seson that is equal to 76 points. That is a significant improvement of 16 % better than Mourinhos best.
But remember, Spurs declined significantly under Mourinho and continued to do so under Nuno. The side Conte took charge of was battered by Man Utd shortly before OGS was fired.
In other words, the improvement in PPM from Mourinho/Nuno is approx. 30 % in the league. In one year. That is very impressive.
In other words, Mourinhos range over 38 games equal between 59 and 65 points. In Contes past 41 game they have an average point per game of 2,00. Over a seson that is equal to 76 points. That is a significant improvement of 16 % better than Mourinhos best.
But remember, Spurs declined significantly under Mourinho and continued to do so under Nuno. The side Conte took charge of was battered by Man Utd shortly before OGS was fired.
In other words, the improvement in PPM from Mourinho/Nuno is approx. 30 % in the league. In one year. That is very impressive.
Good decision, some of the comments here are shocking as if they're making up their mind looking at his CL exploits in isolation. Before this one, he's played what 5 season in the CL? with 3 different teams? He's also won consecutive league titles in Italy and his title winning Chelsea side had 93 points and scored 85 league goals.
Not really? Ive written my disagreements quite clearly.
But I guess I could just write short pithy statements about how shit we are instead, always better for conversation.
I'm convinced it's only a matter of time now at Spurs. It's not sustainable.
To be fair, the truth is always better for conversation.
@balaks has doubled down on Conte and refuses to budge on his opinion now. That football coupled with Conte always falling out with the owners is a recipe for disaster long term. Sure, he'll get results now playing shit-on-a-stick football. But when he leaves in the summer for Juventus, they'll be left with players in his image & 3-5-2 system.
With that being said, if Spurs win a trophy in this season (and I mean a real trophy, not the 'Top 4 trophy' that even a minority of our fans see as an achievement); Conte will have delivered even if it is ugly.
Yep. I think he'll be lucky to see out the season.
Surely that's an 'if' you start playing well. Quite a few games this season you've not really deserved to get anything out of them but scraped a win/draw. The mean suggests you will be punished for it eventually. There's nothing really to show you will suddenly start playing better. You might even get worse.
It’s a surprise to me they were not able to persuade Eriksen, who knows the club and could have played a la Pirlo in the 3-5-2. As for Ten Hag comparison and football style, it’s laughable at this time in the season, really: if you leave Maguire and Ronaldo out while adding Eriksen and Casemiro in the midfield, United improves a lot of course?
I think he’s good for where that Spurs team is at now. Poch played nice football but they won zero and I get the feeling Levy saw that team and thought he had to get them winning major honours with it, as it’s a good team and there are players there who will be hugely missed if they go or when become older like Kane and Son, especially Kane which any team would have hit the EuroMillions jackpot on if they had him coming through in their youth team.
So the approach changes to getting the serial short-term winners when they hired Jose, who over the past 20 years built a reputation as THE guy who can get you winning things immediately. He lasts 18 months when the usual Jose things happen where he falls out with everyone and people are bored of his brand of football, which if you’re not winning regularly, tires very quickly.
I don’t know what happened with the hiring of Nuno but I can assume that Conte’s demands at that time were too big for them, and then when Nuno was found to be way out of his depth, it seems like they gave into his demands.
As a United fan, I was happy we didn’t go for Conte at that time and much preferred ETH who would tear up the bloated, inefficient squad and introduce some proper coaching.
Conte does feel like a last throw of the dice by Levy with this squad to win things, because if he doesn’t work then no-one’s going to work, and replacing the likes of Kane, Son, Lloris etc is an unenviable task for someone down the line.
So the approach changes to getting the serial short-term winners when they hired Jose, who over the past 20 years built a reputation as THE guy who can get you winning things immediately. He lasts 18 months when the usual Jose things happen where he falls out with everyone and people are bored of his brand of football, which if you’re not winning regularly, tires very quickly.
I don’t know what happened with the hiring of Nuno but I can assume that Conte’s demands at that time were too big for them, and then when Nuno was found to be way out of his depth, it seems like they gave into his demands.
As a United fan, I was happy we didn’t go for Conte at that time and much preferred ETH who would tear up the bloated, inefficient squad and introduce some proper coaching.
Conte does feel like a last throw of the dice by Levy with this squad to win things, because if he doesn’t work then no-one’s going to work, and replacing the likes of Kane, Son, Lloris etc is an unenviable task for someone down the line.
It absolutely is. Pochettino has been destined to return there for years. It really is the perfect match of club to manager.
He signed for United. Not that surprising really.
Last year of his contract, Spurs will be out of the top four by then.
Need conte to do a number on Liverpool on the weekend as I still see Liverpool as a bigger threat for top 4 than spurs.
Unfortunately I suspect Conte setting up deep and playing shite football again allowing Liverpool to dominate and regain some form.
Unfortunately I suspect Conte setting up deep and playing shite football again allowing Liverpool to dominate and regain some form.
Counter-order, piranhas! The thread to thrash today is Potter’s instead of Conte’s.
Counterorder again, piranhas! All in to the Amorim thread!!
Are we sure you’re not the son of Antonio Conte at this juncture?
Conte's piranha loving son
Makes quite a snappy tagline
I think I'd probably agree. Simeone's better at translating his football to the continent but realistically if we wanted a league title then Conte is the man.
Mourinho mk2 with his solid, shit on a stick football. The spurs fans will turn on him the moment he fails to achieve top 4 as it wouldn't be worth it then.
We saw this with Ole. A team that starts badly and eventually fights through in the 2nd half is simply not sustainable. They can't keep having poor first halves and getting away with it. Unless they can break out of that rot then it's only a matter of time before it goes to shit.
they miss Kulusevski badly. Their priority should be signing direct competition for him
You sure about that? All they do is sit around and tell themselves and any one who will listen that he’s world class.
Spurs are negative, but Conte has instilled a fighting spirit in them.
Is that tongue in check?
After Inter, I'd think Eriksen is juuust barely ok with living in the same country as Conte =D
You actually raise a good point. I was looking at that Cock Forum earlier (the Spurs one) and they behave like having Conte is almost like a trophy in itself. He has a god-like status over there apart from a few realists who hate the style of football.
They were the same with Mourinho at first as well. And the great irony is - every Spurs fan I know said “I would never want Conte at my club” when he was managing Chelsea.
Football fans are weird.
Ignoring the Cock forum you visited, that's exactly what I meant. It's the epitome of "small time", they're playing shite football like they're relegation fodder, that's great if you can grab a win but depressing if you find yourself a goal or two down and all they talk about is how lucky they are to have Conte, blessing them with his shite football, wasting the best years of their golden generation, and when he wins nothing and finishes outside the top 4 this season, he'll be off to do exactly the same somewhere else. That's when the real problems will start at Spurs and Pochettino will come in for a rebuilding job with one of Kane or Son gone.
They’re starting to turn at the Cock Forum. He was always going to be a terrible fit for Spurs. Short term thinking appointment - if it brings a trophy, great. But this Spurs side aren’t winning anything soon.
This is why I always say - 4th isn’t a barometer for success. It means nothing if you perform badly the season after. No-one remembers that time you finished 4th. But you always remember winning trophies.
This is why I always say - 4th isn’t a barometer for success. It means nothing if you perform badly the season after. No-one remembers that time you finished 4th. But you always remember winning trophies.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I find all these injuries very strange
Are they prioritizing the World Cup or do they not like Conte's work (he seems to be a tough guy to get along with every day)?
Are they prioritizing the World Cup or do they not like Conte's work (he seems to be a tough guy to get along with every day)?
He's basically a dead man walking already. He probably deserves it for playing Loftus Cheek every week though.
Something you know we don't?
Considering he's been on loan to other London clubs at Fulham and Palace, a move to Spurs seems likely!
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