That’s not surprising at all, if I’m honest.
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That’s not surprising at all, if I’m honest.
A less physical and less prolific version of McTominay
He came on got a yellow card first thing and did feck all all game.
When England need someone to come and control a football game, you bring Gallagher.. state of this manager.
When England need someone to come and control a football game, you bring Gallagher.. state of this manager.
Saved a goal with a fantastic block.
For the record, I don't have an anti-Chelsea bias here in the sense that I dislike Gallagher because Mainoo doesn't get minutes.
I would love for Cole Palmer to be given a chance because I think he's quality.
I wasn't suggesting an anti-Chelsea bias, though I do think there's a hint of 'Mainoo is losing minutes to Gallagher' vibes going on. What I thought wasn't surprising was that if you literally haven't seen any of the things I mentioned in Gallagher, which he shows most weeks in the league, then your view that he's a nothing player isn't surprising in the slightest.
He's a truly mediocre player. He shouldn't really be playing in this tournament, but Southgate, so you know...
Okay can you suggest better players for england who should go into this tournament and play instead of him.
Mainoo?
He's shite.
The McTominay comparisons are laughable. In his dreams he's as important as McTominay.
The McTominay comparisons are laughable. In his dreams he's as important as McTominay.
Mainoo or Wharton would offer more interesting things in the midfield. Still a bit young, but would be worth a gamble.
Or if he really doesn't want to use youth (but weird taking them in that case), just bring Bellingham down a notch, get Foden more central, bring the block up 20m and hope to actually dominate possession and create so much more.
Well great then. Hope he plays from next game onwards.
Well mainoo or Wharton plays better than him then that's great for england team. Hopefully they will play and keep Gallagher in bench which is best bet for england.
Sums up for me how clueless Gareth is really.
I actually have nothing against Gallagher and think he's a decent player but how on earth can it be a choice between him or Trent? They are both completely different players. One is a RB who is quite low energy, not great at possession football but hits some great long balls. The other is a high energy CM who keeps things simple, won't set the world alight but gets about well.
They are just completely different players and i shows that Gareth has no clue what style he wants the team to play. They are the Man Utd of international football. No identity, confused players juts winging it.
If we're going long ball then play Trent but go long ball and stop playing slow, shit possession football. If we're going possesion then play Mainoo or Wharton who can keep the ball. It's really not rocket science.
I actually have nothing against Gallagher and think he's a decent player but how on earth can it be a choice between him or Trent? They are both completely different players. One is a RB who is quite low energy, not great at possession football but hits some great long balls. The other is a high energy CM who keeps things simple, won't set the world alight but gets about well.
They are just completely different players and i shows that Gareth has no clue what style he wants the team to play. They are the Man Utd of international football. No identity, confused players juts winging it.
If we're going long ball then play Trent but go long ball and stop playing slow, shit possession football. If we're going possesion then play Mainoo or Wharton who can keep the ball. It's really not rocket science.
I'm certainly no Gallagher apologist but it's extremely funny that his best attributes are his defensive workrate, pressing, and stamina yet he's being brought on as a sub with England chasing a goal.
If the square peg is being forced repeatedly into the round hole is it really the square peg's fault? Or perhaps is it the fault of the halfwit trying to force said peg through the hole whilst picking the likes of Eze and Bowen over Cole Palmer?
If the square peg is being forced repeatedly into the round hole is it really the square peg's fault? Or perhaps is it the fault of the halfwit trying to force said peg through the hole whilst picking the likes of Eze and Bowen over Cole Palmer?
Nothing against him but I would probably use Bellingham further back than bring him on. Or even move Stones forward, he has repeated played well there for the title winners.
These combinations should have been tried before we get into tournaments though, as options if plan A doesn't work.
These combinations should have been tried before we get into tournaments though, as options if plan A doesn't work.
For me Gallagher is what Rabiot seems to be for France, except that Rabiot is much better. Was surprised he made it into the squad, but with a pragmatic and defense first mentality manager like Southgate it‘s probably understandable.
It isn't. If he thought Gallagher was the solution he would have just started him. He tried TAA because he doesn't see Gallagher as good enough
tbf, england weren't chasing a goal, they were level and getting outplayed
Also just who are England's midfield options? I've seen Ward-Prowse brought up, who else?
Also, Gallagher is the closest thing England have to a Rice backup
It isn't. If he thought Gallagher was the solution he would have just started him. He tried TAA because he doesn't see Gallagher as good enough
tbf, england weren't chasing a goal, they were level and getting outplayed
Also just who are England's midfield options? I've seen Ward-Prowse brought up, who else?
Also, Gallagher is the closest thing England have to a Rice backup
Exactly my point. Any manager wort his salt doesn't "try" a completely different style of player in a major tournament. What style of football does he want to play, and what role does he want that Cm to fill? If you want a high energy player to replace Phillips / Henderson then you play Gallagher. If you want a set piece take then play Ward Prouse (Then you don't need Trippier) or play Trent at right back. If you want press resistance play Wharton or Mainoo.
His selections just don't make any sense.
Set to start vs Slovenia according to Ornstein...
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5584013/2024/06/24/gallagher-alexander-arnold-england-team-news/
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5584013/2024/06/24/gallagher-alexander-arnold-england-team-news/
I fully expected this to be Southgate's preferred pairing from the beginning. Surprised it took him this long.
Pathetic.
I think he was going with Mainoo until the Iceland friendly where he was off it. Even now I think he'd be a logical pick alongside Rice.
Gallagher will run around but he's better as impact sub as he won't solve England's creative issues.
Gallagher will run around but he's better as impact sub as he won't solve England's creative issues.
Gallagher isn’t just better as an impact sub. He didn’t have much of an impact against Denmark. If Southgate’s aim is to have somebody sit next to Rice as a second holding midfielder, then Gallagher is the wrong choice, because although the reaction in here is predictably over the top, there are better players to fulfil the role Southgate wants him to do, which just invites more unfair pile ons on the guy.
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Yet when Gallagher came on, we looked like scoring almost immediately
Jesus Christ he’s such a coward. It’s all the evidence you need that he has one system and he doesn’t have a clue how to adapt to get the most out of the players at his disposal.
Yeah briefly for a couple of mins we had control of the game before Denmark adjusted and controlled the rest of the game. Gallagher is a much better midfielder than Trent, but you still have to use him correctly to get the best out of him. Seems like Southgate is just throwing shit are wall hoping something sticks.
He's a work horse in the pivot and he's quite all-rounder as well with some goal threat. Better choice than TAA I think.
If we want goal threat, should play Palmer. Pretty much a one man team in attack at times for us and England's other forwards better than ours.
If we want goal threat, should play Palmer. Pretty much a one man team in attack at times for us and England's other forwards better than ours.
Are people surprised? The sub in the previous game told us everything. Southgate had given up on the Trent experiment, and Gallagher was next in line. Mainoo and Wharton are last resorts.
This is false. Gallagher doesn't play that role for his club.
Mainoo and Wharton have both played 6 this season.
I would much prefer to see a Wharton replacing TAA than Gallagher.
I dont want Mainoo playing. I dont want him being blamed because he's black and plays for United if Southgate scapegoats him.
Gallagher is much closer in skillset to Rice - and just generally better defensively - than those 2
At this point in the tournament it doesn't make any sense he's not trying Wharton or Mainoo. You're basically qualified and playing Slovenia - this is the exact kind of game to try the young player who lacks experience...
I would say Wharton is the closest to rice, though different players he's the closest. I think mainoo and Gallagher are not very similar, but the most similar to each other of the 4.
Gallagher is a headless chicken, best suited to chasing frantically well away from his own half. A runner and harassing player who often mindlessly abandons his initial position in pursuit of the ball. He is not better at holding position or reading plays than either youngster. Starting him off deep is a recipe for disaster and an obvious exploit straight through the heart of the team. Slovenia might not be capable of capitalising, but any half decent team will have a party in the spaces he leave behind himself.
It’s sheer incompetence to field him deep in a major tournament with better options two the left and right on the bench. Utter cowardice and incompetence.
This post feels way too over dramatic, even if I somewhat agree with some of what you’re saying, and I think the bolded bit particularly is just way over the top criticism not based in actual reality.
It’s relative, and it’ll be exposed by the first organised and moderately skilled side (Switzerland) England face. Gallagher has his attributes, and if England want a runner and harasser, backed by a solid base, he’s actually the man in the entire camp for that job. But starting him deep is a disaster waiting to happen once the quality ramps up.
It makes perfect sense when we all take into account that Southgate is a tremendous dick.
I despise fans so relentlessly shitting on their own players.
Not our player, your player.