Confirmed: Moyes sacked.

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rpitroda said:
You base his "good life" based on how much cash he earns. How many of us good guys have millions of people watching, analysing, critiquing every single move we make? It isn't easy. Being a good guy doesn't spare you the sack. He is out of hhis depth and needs to go. But don't fool yourself that everything is easy for him, and that he doesn't deserve to be treated with decency. Don't be so naive

This isn't about Moyes the manager anyway. It's about Moyes the human, and just like any of us, he deserves to go through a sacking in a much much better organised and dignified way. Just because he has done a bad job, you think it's right to humiliate him? God save us.
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He doesn't deserve it, but the humiliation was unavoidable. Stringing it out for a day didn't make a whole lot, if any difference. He wasn't walking through the streets with a sandwich board like Bruce Willis in Die Hard 3. He's been dealing with it privately. The chatter and the mockery has been going on all season as a result of the profile of the job, it hasn't got any worse because of an unfortunate leak.

I agree though, it isn't easy just because he's rich. It'll be horrible, which is unfortunate, but c'est la vie.

My point is, why is this a thing that's being mentioned constantly in relation to David Moyes? Specifically? How good is he? Is he significantly more good than every other manager in the Premier League? Is he more hardworking? Is he a better person than AVB, or Benitez, or Hodgson, or McKay, or Laudrup, or anyone who's endured similar treatment? Why is his goodness notable? I'd assume the job of football manager requires a high work ethic just by definition. What level of goodness do you need to attain that a sacking from a high profile, high paying job with a substantial pay out for not being good enough and significantly lowering the standards is an unfair punishment for your goodness?

Whenever I read he was a "good guy" I read "I have absolutely nothing else positive to say apart from him having a good, general level of decency"
 
Summit said:
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neville needs to have a word with himself. banging out about how moyes should've been allowed time to rebuild etc... just as ferguson was.

ferguson had to rebuild the club from the youth system up. moyes didn't need to rebuild a thing. he needed to add two midfielders and a left back for the season, something we've all been saying for years, and he even managed to f**k that up. throw on top that there's no style, or even a progression towards a style of football being implemented that united should be playing. he didn't deserve any more time ffs.
 
Jando said:
What a horrific first season it's turned out to be, I never thought it would be this bad after SAF retired !
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Clearly neither did the board! And it shouldn't have been either, I know people say he inherited an ageing team, he inherited the champions of England, we should have been looking at 4th place as our worst case scenario.
 
Marching said:
If anyone thought that MU weren't going to finish around where they are now they were living in cloud cuckoo land. There has never been such a monumental change at a club and there were always going to be a time when you were out of Europe and off the pace. The squad is old, tired and not up for the fight anymore. None of that is Moyes fault. IMO he deserved next season. He also deserves some players that put 100% into a game and are not happy to live on past glories.

Manager of MU must be the hardest job in football and I hope the owners give the next guy a fair crack at the whip.
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Which is why Moyes should have never been given the job.

Blaming the players? I am giving the players(champions) the benefit of the doubt.
 
Zarlak said:
It really doesn't matter. We've always said about other clubs that managers should get years. That's what's important. We said years. That it's impossible to instantly win and the instant success mantra is bullshit and they should have years to build their squad before they can make their mark. As soon as push comes to shove we do the same because we can't handle losing for a season.
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I think the club and everyone involved meant that "giving the manager time" means they'd be happy to not win trophies for a number of years so long as the club stayed broadly in and around the top 4. Right now we're looking down the barrel of 7th. If Moyes had achieved any level of success, even finishing 5th I'm sure he would have been given another year. As it is he's failed at every metric imaginable.
 
gregwar said:
neville needs to have a word with himself. banging out about how moyes should've been allowed time to rebuild etc... just as ferguson was.

ferguson had to rebuild the club from the youth system up. moyes didn't need to rebuild a thing. he needed to add two midfielders and a left back for the season, something we've all been saying for years, and he even managed to f**k that up. throw on top that there's no style, or even a progression towards a style of football being implemented that united should be playing. he didn't deserve any more time ffs.
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:lol:

How young do you think our squad is? We've been saying ourselves that the squad needs a complete overhaul. It's funny how people twist things to align with their views.
 
I honestly wish him all the best but some of you need to get off your high-horse with this rubbish of how great a man he is. He failed at his job emphatically and deserved the sack. We have nothing whatsoever to thank him for, bar Mata. I hope he does well in the future and restores his very damaged reputation but I will not be thanking him.
 
gregwar said:
neville needs to have a word with himself. banging out about how moyes should've been allowed time to rebuild etc... just as ferguson was.

ferguson had to rebuild the club from the youth system up. moyes didn't need to rebuild a thing. he needed to add two midfielders and a left back for the season, something we've all been saying for years, and he even managed to f**k that up. throw on top that there's no style, or even a progression towards a style of football being implemented that united should be playing. he didn't deserve any more time ffs.
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He's probably a bit worried about his bro's position....family loyalty and all that...coz Phil has to go to
 
And now Liverpool supporters world wide are cracking the shits. We are the big news worldwide they are still smaller then us.
 
Wrong man from day one.

We might have shown we are like all the others by sacking him..but we couldn't persist with him either.

I do feel sorry for him in hindsight. You can only assume that he did try his absolute hardest and it's not easy to watch people struggle whilst being in the spotlight all the time.

Hopefully the next guy in is closer to being qualified.
 
Naturally you want to listen to the reaction, but then once you do waves of utter crap begin emianting from your radio speaker.

In just five minutes i've heard Clayton Blackmore, Terry Christian, Mickey Thomas, Alan Brazil and Ray Wilkins all defending honest Dave. Give over.

Thomas blamed the team and cited Nani in particular. :wenger: The club didn't "back him" don't you know?
 
Mockney said:
He doesn't deserve it, but the humiliation was unavoidable. Stringing it out for a day didn't make a whole lot, if any difference. He wasn't walking through the streets with a sandwich board like Bruce Willis in Die Hard 3. He's been dealing with it privately. The chatter and the mockery has been going on all season as a result of the profile of the job, it hasn't got any worse because of an unfortunate leak.

I agree though, it isn't easy just because he's rich. It'll be horrible, which is unfortunate, but c'est la vie.

My point is, why is this a thing that's being mentioned constantly in relation to David Moyes? Specifically? How good is he? Is he significantly more good than every other manager in the Premier League? Is he more hardworking? Is he a better person than AVB, or Benitez, or Hodgson, or McKay, or Laudrup, or anyone who's endured similar treatment? Why is his goodness notable? I'd assume the job of football manager requires a high work ethic just by definition. What level of goodness do you need to attain that a sacking from a high profile, high paying job with a substantial pay out for not being good enough and significantly lowering the standards is an unfair punishment for your goodness?

Whenever I read he was a "good guy" I read "I have absolutely nothing else positive to say apart from him having a good, general level of decency"
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nail on the head. All this 'good guy' business is doing my head in.
 
Zarlak said:
It really doesn't matter. We've always said about other clubs that managers should get years. That's what's important. We said years. That it's impossible to instantly win and the instant success mantra is bullshit and they should have years to build their squad before they can make their mark. As soon as push comes to shove we do the same because we can't handle losing for a season.
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Perhaps our stand of giving years no matter what itself was flawed?

You do not let an inept person wreck an organization just on the basis of principles - it happens in no business and why should we be any different?

I have said it again and again that SAF (and Busby) were exceptions. Exceptions are just that, they are not the rule

We have sacked managers performing better than Moyes in the past

The United Way is a myth, and it is becoming a millstone around our necks

Any successful organisation needs to be agile without the burden of impractical principles weighing it down

We should be no different to any other successfully run organisation
 
Remix said:
Showing a lack of class in the handling of the sacking
The hiring of Moyes was their fault
Not investing in the squad
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A lack of class? A bit rich coming from MUST. The rest is just a broken record.
 
Zarlak said:
It really doesn't matter. We've always said about other clubs that managers should get years. That's what's important. We said years. That it's impossible to instantly win and the instant success mantra is bullshit and they should have years to build their squad before they can make their mark. As soon as push comes to shove we do the same because we can't handle losing for a season.
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I like your stance, and in general I agree with the notion that the need for instant gratification in society as a whole is a big problem. I just don't think blind faith is a good thing. At the end of the day it comes down to how you define "being given time" - Many would say that giving him a full season is above and beyond what most clubs of our stature would have afforded him, given the way the season panned out. Who draws the line? Is two years an appropriate amount of time? Or should it be three or four?

I don't know, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that he would have managed to get us back to where we want to be with one more year, or two more years. Do you think Liverpool would be winning the title this season if they had let Hodgson stay on?
 
iSparky said:
And right too, should never have been brought in. Is Phil Neville sticking around then for a bit?
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Not sure, they didn't mention Chris Woods or Phil Neville so maybe they're going to stay on. Although, you'd imagine they might want to stay with Moyes, especially Woods.
 
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