). Ballague has sprouted several rumours over the years, some have materialised and alot havent. Alot of people on here would tell you his word isn't always correct no matter how respected he is. You'd be a fool to believe everything he says. Well my valuable insight was from me, I didn't mention I got it from anywhere else. It was an opinion by me. No one can be sure what happened behind the scenes with the Fabregas saga, it is all rumours and speculation. The only fact was that we didn't get the player.Since Moyes has been portrayed as Gollum from LOTR by Everton fans, its quite appropriate to compare the ring ("my precious") to United & the way it made Gollum feel powerful to do what he wanted - once he had the ring on...
I hadn't read that article, and thanks to the previous poster for actually posting it with a source (and by coindicence you then mention the Guardian
Well...either they didn't ask him because they could not in their wildest dream think that someone would come in as a manager of this incredibly well run club and put everything into turmoil (which would have been very irresponsible), or they did ask him and there was a misunderstanding. I am not saying Moyes lied as in
SAF: Will you make any changes?
Moyes: No,no,no,no
but there could have been a miscommunication. Maybe SAF said something like "Everything is there for you. You just need to carry on" and Moyes said "Fine". This is ofc quite simplified here for the sake of the argument
Another way things happened could have been that Moyes initially didn't think he would need to make changes (when he signed) and honestly agreed to a smooth transition but when he started working he thought that he had to do them for various reasons. Considering the coach-replacements for instance, I would think he realized he was put in a dilemma: Either he would have had coaches that were better at his work than him himself, and whom the players would look up to more than him, or he got rid of them and hire people who he knew he could control and keep below himself in the hierarchy.
Your quality suggestion "willingness to take advice" was a really good suggestion.
I agree that the board should be critizised, and they will, I think. Since United is a public company they will be responsible for the bad results financially. Maybe SAF as well, but it's impossible to know how much input he really had, even though I agree that from all one can read, it seems he had a big influence. But nevertheless, the board are the ones formally responsible. This is also why it was never going to be ok to underperform for several years because "you are rebuilding things and making things the way you want them to be". You can't do that just because you have a stubborn and unadaptive manager. Not if you have a public company. You can make investments yes, but they need to be truly motivated. Financial results down due to big player investments --> ok. Financial results down due to an unnecessary change of essential staff and training routines --> na-ah.
Given that, Moyes really blew it IMO.
Nope, any ounce of logic shall deduce that Moyes is in fact cursed.
Keep witch hunting then! What sad life mate!Thats quite possibly true mate on both counts, but for me if you start with a list with the likes of Guardiola and Ancelotti at the top given their credentials, you would have to go a long way down the list and through a lot of candidates before you got to Moyes.
Jesus mate give over your bleating, how fecking dare i hold an opinion on Ferguson being partly responsible for the mess the club is in at the minute.
I've defended SAF on countless occasions in the last 20+ years but when hes made a feck up i won't defend him blindly and recommending Moyes was a monumental feck up.
Had we hired a coach with the proper experience on Fergusons recommendation and it went tits i wouldn't blame SAF at all because hes not a clairvoyant, but fact of the matter is he picked a man with none of the necessary experience which was a huge risk and it unsurprisingly turned into a clusterfeck.
He's really wasn't in an impossible position. End of discussion. I will not change my opinion about him and Moyes.
It's been amazing. I didn't see myself being much of a muppet this summer because of him, but now that it could be van Gaal, I've turned quickly.
well said mate! It's always a business decision when it comes to the sacking of manager. If the article is of any truth (the Moyes is now moaning/complaining why his poor soul had to be put through the trip to Goodison Park, and that no one warned him of the sack), then the question to him is, why the feck didn't you resign if you still have any decency when you know you would be getting the sack once it's mathematically impossible to be top4. He's quite a nasty man
Dear old Carlo can tell them a thing or two about ugly sackings, they sure don't come as ugly as being told of the sack in the corridors of Goodison Park. At least we had the decency to bring him to Manchester and pull the trigger in friendlier climes . He is lucky he lasted ten months on the job given his ineptitude ...
He shouldn't have even been on the list for potential managers. He never showed anything that relates to united. Never played exciting, attacking football, was a negative minded manager and he never won anything. There was never a reason to even consider him for the job, and loads of managers would have been willing to take over.
You want a list?
