Confirmed: Moyes sacked.

Status
Not open for further replies.
stevoc said:
Pretty sure most of my posts about the availability of other managers were in a discussion with another poster, whats that got to do with this?

Lol this conversation between us started yesterday, doubt i even mentioned it before then. I said Ferguson & the board should shoulder some of the responsibility for the troubles the club has endured this season, is that a controversial opinion that i alone hold?

You have kept the discussion going longer than it should have by being too emotional on the subject and acting like i was posting heinous insults towards Ferguson, i was talking about the board and directors of which SAF is one, you are in fact the one trying to force your views on me if anything. Your posts drifted towards petty digs when i wouldn't accept your view point. Get a life, you're sad etc. some of the things you have posted.
Click to expand...
Well in an open forum, we are all entitled to use your posts to respond and put them in context with other matters discussed. Your problem is, you use your thought of availability of managers to reinforce your thinking United and Fergie have made a terrible mistake.

People like you do not know the difficulty in employing the right man for the job. If Fergie is easy to replace, you probably know very little about how big the shoes are to be filled. The task to find a replacement is not something your level would be able to imagine. To make it easier for you to understand: to this day, Steve Jobs was not properly replaced.

You dismiss outright that if the club and Fergie have considered carefully like what you wrote essays after essays, the club would not have been in the situation right now. But you have no basis to speculate the club has not done a lot to finally appoint Moyes. It is just very unfortunate Moyes let all of us down, Fergie in particular. There is really no guarantee other manager will definitely succeed and fitting in.

The extent of your criticism of the club and Fergie went too far and I had to state my opinion. And it's not just because I did not agree with you. You have not understood the task at hand. I am sure people like you won't be happy when in the future a high profile manager turned out to be not a good fit and we have to start the process again.

stevoc said:
Why have you taken this all so seriously?
Click to expand...
People use the internet to spout rubbish too often, and if you are not taking the discussion seriously, then its my fault for taking yours seriously. If you were just having too much time in your hand and felt the need to write essays after essays here witch hunting for fun, then I will leave you alone.
 
Last edited:
redevil2 said:
Well in an open forum, we are all entitled to use your posts to respond and put them in context with other matters discussed. Your problem is, you use your thought of availability of managers to reinforce your thinking United and Fergie have made a terrible mistake.

People like you do not know the difficulty in employing the right man for the job. If Fergie is easy to replace, you probably know very little about how big the shoes are to be filled. The task to find a replacement is not something your level would be able to imagine. To make it easier for you to understand: to this day, Steve Jobs was not properly replaced.

You dismiss outright that if the club and Fergie have considered carefully like what you wrote essays after essays, the club would not have been in the situation right now. But you have no basis to speculate the club has not done a lot to finally appoint Moyes. It is just very unfortunate Moyes let all of us down, Fergie in particular. There is really no guarantee other manager will definitely succeed and fitting in.

The extent of your criticism of the club and Fergie went too far and I had to state my opinion. And it's not just because I did not agree with you. You have not understood the task at hand. I am sure people like you won't be happy when in the future a high profile manager turned out to be not a good fit and we had to start the process again.


People use the internet to spout rubbish too often, and if you are not taking the discussion serious, then its my fault for taking yours seriously. If you were just having too much time in your hand and felt the need to write essays after essays here witch hunting for fun, then I will leave you alone.
Click to expand...

Indeed!

You don't agree with my point of view and you take anyone criticizing SAF a bit too seriously, i get it already.

Jesus mate whats with the essay :p

Witch hunt there's one going on alright :wenger:
 
Sultan said:
Moyes appointment has hardly destroyed the club. At worst his tenure has cost the club around 50/60 Million in lost revenues by not qualifying for Europe and the Fellaini mistake.
Click to expand...

Let's add on Rooney's increased/extended wages, Nani's 5 year contract, Moyes's severance package, and 1000 pound for the plane over the stadium.
 
Americano said:
Let's add on Rooney's increased/extended wages, Nani's 5 year contract, Moyes's severance package, and 1000 pound for the plane over the stadium.
Click to expand...

Hehe - yeah, the last one could prove to be the straw.

Seriously, though - we're loaded. That's the one, real reason we all - almost all - believe we'll bounce back. We have the money to compete. If the Yanks are willing to pay. That has been the premise all along. Fergie, in many a sense, saved them a buck. He didn't require extreme outlays on players. Our fate now, as a true top club - one that is always there or thereabouts - depends on the Glazers' willingness to spend when necessary. And "spend" now doesn't mean forking out a premium to land a PL proven player of some description. It means forking out what's necessary to land top class players that might otherwise feck off to Madrid or Monaco.

So, yeah. I hope the Glazers aren't in tears over what Moyes has cost us in CL revenue. It's one season. If they can't take that on the chin we're - as I've said ad nauseam - fecked. If the Glazers are stingy, we're looking at Wenger style 4th place trophies for the foreseeable future.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Moyes has done nothing to cover himself in glory that we know of - that much is clear. But Woodward could turn out to be every bit as useless at his job as Moyes was. The fact that he was handpicked by the Glazers means less than nothing. They aren't football people. And neither is Woody. He's an accountant. Probably a good one. But that will only take you so far. As far as decisions pertaining to anything beyond deals for the Asian market are concerned - I don't trust Woody at all. Not at all.
Click to expand...

Which would be an even bigger nightmare for us considering that he won't go anywhere regardless of his underperformance on footballing aspect of the club. He helped the Glazers buy the club and he was the brain behind our big increase on revenue. If he is good then great for us, but if he isn't then we will be in a very dark place IMO.
 
Revan said:
Which would be an even bigger nightmare for us considering that he won't go anywhere regardless of his underperformance on footballing aspect of the club. He helped the Glazers buy the club and he was the brain behind our big increase on revenue. If he is good then great for us, but if he isn't then we will be in a very dark place IMO.
Click to expand...

Exactly, mate.

Given that we're not likely to see the likes of Fergie again - a genius manager who made United his own and loved the club to bits, and who was for all practical purposes the true ruler of the empire - the role of Woody is now more important than ever.

In terms of a real leader we have - seemingly - gone from Fergie to...Woody? That doesn't fill me with confidence, I'm sorry to say.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Exactly, mate.

Given that we're not likely to see the likes of Fergie again - a genius manager who made United his own and loved the club to bits, and who was for all practical purposes the true ruler of the empire - the role of Woody is now more important than ever.

In terms of a real leader we have - seemingly - gone from Fergie to...Woody? That doesn't fill me with confidence, I'm sorry to say.
Click to expand...
Yep. THe reports of him insisting on Cavani which seems to be more for show than for real need have made me worried a lot. If they are true, then we have a Perez on charge, a guy who while is great at doing business doesn't know anything about football, and even worse, thinks that he knows and interferes with the manager. To make things even worse, we don't have the finances of Madrid and nor we are a non-profit organization (we all know that Glazers are here for money alone).

Hopefully it is either bullshit or Woody hasn't been serious.
 
One thing I'll say is that unless we hired mourinho, then this season would have been a bit shit regardless I think. Don't think anybody has the personality Nd arrogance to seemlessly transition after fergie and the first manager was always going to be a failure, and that our next period of success would come with the guy after the first manager post fergie.

Saying that, moyes did an awful job and worse then anyone could ever imagined and so much worse then it could have been.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Exactly, mate.

Given that we're not likely to see the likes of Fergie again - a genius manager who made United his own and loved the club to bits, and who was for all practical purposes the true ruler of the empire - the role of Woody is now more important than ever.

In terms of a real leader we have - seemingly - gone from Fergie to...Woody? That doesn't fill me with confidence, I'm sorry to say.
Click to expand...
Same here.... I am hoping our tradition and Fergie's being on the Board will keep our uniqueness for a few more years and when we have a more steady manager, he will give the club an image and leadership we need post Fergie. And of course it is more important than ever the members of Class 92 will feature heavily in the new regime.
 
Why are we still arguing about it? He's history and we should thank God for that! David Moyes himself doesn't give a feck about his sacking anymore..... To me he looks more relaxed than ever, like he never destroyed the champions of England.

moyes1.jpg


moyes3.jpg


moyes4.jpg
 
He's probably gonna stay in america for a while. Heck, if he picks up an MLS job I wouldn't be surprised.
 
bosnian_red said:
One thing I'll say is that unless we hired mourinho, then this season would have been a bit shit regardless I think. Don't think anybody has the personality Nd arrogance to seemlessly transition after fergie and the first manager was always going to be a failure, and that our next period of success would come with the guy after the first manager post fergie.

Saying that, moyes did an awful job and worse then anyone could ever imagined and so much worse then it could have been.
Click to expand...

Don't necessarily agree it would have been shit, depending on who we got. We needed a big name manager to deal with the players. They wouldn't respond to anything less, as Moyes' time has shown. Wouldn't have expected us to be out of the top 4.
 
TheRedDevil'sAdvocate said:
Why are we still arguing about it? He's history and we should thank God for that! David Moyes himself doesn't give a feck about his sacking anymore..... To me he looks more relaxed than ever, like he never destroyed the champions of England.

moyes1.jpg


moyes3.jpg


moyes4.jpg
Click to expand...

:nervous:

My poor eyes. I never had him down as a vain man though, he's completely waxed himself. fecking grim.
 
iBoss said:
What do we expect him to do? Stay in England and cry into his cornflakes whilst SSN mention his sacking every 10 minutes?
Click to expand...
Well, he could've waited a few weeks for the season to end, Miami wouldn't have gone anywhere. It's called empathy, he just got 7 mil. for leaving the champions of England out of Europe. It would be a sign of respect towards the fans who supported him till the end (and they were many).

But then again, maybe you're right, it really doesn't make a difference. He was a tourist here for 9 whole months, enjoying his good fortune. And now he just continues his vacation.
 
Last edited:
manutddjw said:
Moyes clearly is a good manager and I although I didn't agree with the decision to appoint him, I understand the rationale behind it and hold no animosity to those who pushed for him. It didn't work out like we had hoped, but looking back on it, Moyes has only himself to blame for him getting sacked only 10 months into the job when it seemed almost a certainty he'd be given at least 2 season regardless of the results. He made some massive mistakes and ruined the relationships with people that would've actually defended him.

It all started in the summer when he made our new CEO, hand picked by the Glazers no less, look stupid and incompetent by his indecision and lolly gagging. Wodward doesn't select the players coming in, his job is to negotiate deals something he's proved very capable of doing before. It doesn't help when the manager waits around all summer, can't make his mind up about who he wants (aside from Fellaini and Baines) and targets players who are a long shot at best. When the summer transfer window closed, Ed Woodward was the subject of alot of abuse from fans, when the reality is Moyes was the one to blame for our summer. David Gill didn't land alot of our main targets, but nobody blamed him because Sir Alex always had a Plan B and C if we missed out.

Then the man who won nothing, had the brilliant idea to tell the world that last seasons Premier League champions need 6-7 world class players to compete in Europe. Not a good way to endear yourself to the squad and a far cry from Sir Alex who stood by his players, even the under performing ones like Veron in that infamous rant. He tried to float this idea that the players weren't good enough and the only way for us to be successful is if he's allowed to bring in world class players. He tried to shift blame to the players which caused them to turn on him. And don't think for one second the Glazers who still have fans who hate them appreciated being put on the spot and expected to spend millions especially when Moyes just cost them tens of millions by being unable to even get a top 4 finish.

And all the while he's alienating players with his talk about the squad not being good enough, he inadvertently put alot of heat on Sir Alex and had people blaming him for leaving a terrible squad. Then the kicker came with his "Sir Alex would struggle to" comments. Always a smart idea to put the blame on the one man who has some power who would've defended you and is the one responsible for you getting the job in the first place. My personal belief is that if Sir Alex really wanted Moyes to keep his job, then Moyes would've stayed.
Click to expand...

I agree with everything but the bolded part. Where in all that is it clear that Moyes is good at anything?
 
Makes sense to go to Miami. Less chance of people noticing who he is probably. Although I'm not overly sure how big football is over there? NFL and NBA are probably more popular.
 
manutddjw said:
Moyes clearly is a good manager and I although I didn't agree with the decision to appoint him, I understand the rationale behind it and hold no animosity to those who pushed for him. It didn't work out like we had hoped, but looking back on it, Moyes has only himself to blame for him getting sacked only 10 months into the job when it seemed almost a certainty he'd be given at least 2 season regardless of the results. He made some massive mistakes and ruined the relationships with people that would've actually defended him.

It all started in the summer when he made our new CEO, hand picked by the Glazers no less, look stupid and incompetent by his indecision and lolly gagging. Wodward doesn't select the players coming in, his job is to negotiate deals something he's proved very capable of doing before. It doesn't help when the manager waits around all summer, can't make his mind up about who he wants (aside from Fellaini and Baines) and targets players who are a long shot at best. When the summer transfer window closed, Ed Woodward was the subject of alot of abuse from fans, when the reality is Moyes was the one to blame for our summer. David Gill didn't land alot of our main targets, but nobody blamed him because Sir Alex always had a Plan B and C if we missed out.

Then the man who won nothing, had the brilliant idea to tell the world that last seasons Premier League champions need 6-7 world class players to compete in Europe. Not a good way to endear yourself to the squad and a far cry from Sir Alex who stood by his players, even the under performing ones like Veron in that infamous rant. He tried to float this idea that the players weren't good enough and the only way for us to be successful is if he's allowed to bring in world class players. He tried to shift blame to the players which caused them to turn on him. And don't think for one second the Glazers who still have fans who hate them appreciated being put on the spot and expected to spend millions especially when Moyes just cost them tens of millions by being unable to even get a top 4 finish.

And all the while he's alienating players with his talk about the squad not being good enough, he inadvertently put alot of heat on Sir Alex and had people blaming him for leaving a terrible squad. Then the kicker came with his "Sir Alex would struggle to" comments. Always a smart idea to put the blame on the one man who has some power who would've defended you and is the one responsible for you getting the job in the first place. My personal belief is that if Sir Alex really wanted Moyes to keep his job, then Moyes would've stayed.
Click to expand...

Agreed with EVERYTHING in there.
 
Been done to death, many sane heads here (including me) knows that his 10 years at Everton is nothing short of stagnation instead of punching above his weight.

Some people label it "Genious" here though "Keeping Everton midtable with a shoestring budget" is the new treble
 
Moyes' tenure at United has given people the impression that he's a shit manager. He's not. He might not be a top drawer manager, but that doesn't make him a bad manager. Everton finished 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th, and 6th in the last 7 years. If Martinez can do better than that consistently in the next 5 years, then that will prove that Moyes stagnated at Everton. As it stands, the main reason why Everton are 5th and fighting for 4th is because United fell to 7th place.

Also, contrary to popular belief, Everton did not play shit football under Moyes.
 
Mel_F said:
Moyes' tenure at United has given people the impression that he's a shit manager. He's not. He might not be a top drawer manager, but that doesn't make him a bad manager. Everton finished 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th, and 6th in the last 7 years. If Martinez can do better than that consistently in the next 5 years, then that will prove that Moyes stagnated at Everton. As it stands, the main reason why Everton are 5th and fighting for 4th is because United fell to 7th place.

Also, contrary to popular belief, Everton did not play shit football under Moyes.
Click to expand...

So fecking what Mel, it's just midtable finish

With the stability and the squad he has, finishing 6th is no big deal budget or no budget.

Martinez won the FA cup, nobody remember 5th or 6th finish, but winning the FA cup as bloody Wigan is the hallmark of the club.
 
Erebus said:
One question. Did Moyes not read newspapers? Because even if there wasn't a clause in his contract, if some of the newspaper headlines he had for several weeks prior to his sacking had been written about me, then I'd reckon my bosses were getting the P45 ready.
Click to expand...

Captain Obvious showed up at Carrington one day wearing a red shirt that said in big letters Moyes You Could Be Sacked Soon and was like "David, sit down, we need to talk".

"About what?"
 
Some people seriously have a lack of common sense.

Moyes knew of the clause, he signed the contract in the first place. If he didn't know that the clause exists, I'm questioning why United hires a manager who can't fecking read.

He's hoping that the board gives him time and don't activate the clause, but for sure he knows of its existence.
 
Sky1981 said:
Some people seriously have a lack of common sense.

Moyes knew of the clause, he signed the contract in the first place. If he didn't know that the clause exists, I'm questioning why United hires a manager who can't fecking read.

He's hoping that the board gives him time and don't activate the clause, but for sure he knows of its existence.
Click to expand...
Of course he did.

The clause had to be there otherwise the LMA wouldn't let United only pay him off for a year. Moyes had to see it was getting worse and he must have hoped if he was off scouting and kept talking about next year, rebuilding he might get away with it, he'd written off this season by Christmas in my opinion, it was all about next year. Maybe United let him think about next season, but surely he'd realise as things were getting shiter he'd be for the chop, after all he'd but his cronies out spinning tales

What United manager does as much scouting as Moyes, sure Fergie took in the old player but usually at the end, did Moyes trust no one, next we'll hear his wife washed the kits and daughter sowed on the badges... Pity he didn't focus on management.
 
Sky1981 said:
So fecking what Mel, it's just midtable finish

With the stability and the squad he has, finishing 6th is no big deal budget or no budget.

Martinez won the FA cup, nobody remember 5th or 6th finish, but winning the FA cup as bloody Wigan is the hallmark of the club.
Click to expand...

He also got Wigan relegated and they always flirted with relegation. They were an absolute shambles in defence, just trying to play the same way when they had hopeless players suited for the system. Sorry, let's just not get ahead of ourselves here with all this Moyes hate.
 
fishfingers15 said:
He also got Wigan relegated and they always flirted with relegation. They were an absolute shambles in defence, just trying to play the same way when they had hopeless players suited for the system. Sorry, let's just not get ahead of ourselves here with all this Moyes hate.
Click to expand...

To be fair I couldn't give a rocking horse's shite about how good David Moyes will or won't prove to have been for Everton. I only care that Moyes was the manager of Manchester United and was shocking by any metric you care to use. I don't hate the guy, could care less what he's doing now or next, as long as he's not at our club.

Why do we have to prove Moyes was better than he showed? Surely that Moyes fecked up, and is now gone is the only consideration of his tenure. Let's move on and forget this season happen huh?

Edit. If we are going to focus on an ex Evertonian, why not let's try and support Fellaini, after all, he's proved poor but is still out our club and still a United player (whoa that feels dirty)... Where's all the Fellaini apologists at?
 
BorisontheRock said:
To be fair I couldn't give a rocking horse's shite about how good David Moyes will or won't prove to have been for Everton. I only care that Moyes was the manager of Manchester United and was shocking by any metric you care to use. I don't hate the guy, could care less what he's doing now or next, as long as he's not at our club.

Why do we have to prove Moyes was better than he showed? Surely that Moyes fecked up, and is now gone is the only consideration of his tenure. Let's move on and forget this season happen huh?

Edit. If we are going to focus on an ex Evertonian, why not let's try and support Fellaini, after all, he's proved poor but is still out our club and still a United player (whoa that feels dirty)... Where's all the Fellaini apologists at?
Click to expand...

I don't know who killed your cat today, but nobody's asking you to give a horse shit about anything. The post was in direct reply to Sky1981 saying Moyes stagnated Everton for a decade. His time here is a failure, but there's no need to knock him on what he did at Everton.
 
fishfingers15 said:
He also got Wigan relegated and they always flirted with relegation. They were an absolute shambles in defence, just trying to play the same way when they had hopeless players suited for the system. Sorry, let's just not get ahead of ourselves here with all this Moyes hate.
Click to expand...

Let's not be completely disingenuous, Wigan turn over in its entirety, about 5 million a year less than Moyes was spending on wages at Everton.

He literally had nothing to work with in real terms.
 
Ducklegs said:
Let's not be completely disingenuous, Wigan turn over in its entirety, about 5 million a year less than Moyes was spending on wages at Everton.

He literally had nothing to work with in real terms.
Click to expand...

I'm not saying Martinez is a bad manager, he's a great guy and a very competent manager, much like Moyes at Everton. There's a lot of revisionism going on here with respect to Moyes. I'm very glad to see him fired, but I still think he did a very commendable job at Everton. Martinez has done unbelievably well in the first year, and he'll be judged as a much better manager than Moyes if he continues his work with the same consistency. I just don't see how Moyes could be a very bad manager and he's been holding Everton back?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.