I take it you aren't a fan of hip hop, you just listen to rap songs
I take it you aren't a fan of hip hop, you just listen to rap songs
you don't have to see Drake as one of those guys, i really don't know what you mean by "one of those guys", Common all but conceded defeat, he was childish for coming at Drake.
Puffy only hit Drake because Drake stole the "0-100" beat and killed it, Drake is obviously not going to come at Puffy when he is at fault, besides why would he come at Puffy? what does he have to gain? a beef with puffy isn't going to do anything for his career.
"Bubble gum rapper" - please define
You said he barely fired a line, I referenced 7, the only reason people like you aren't giving Drake the W is because, he is a light skinned rapper who sings from Toronto, if it had been a certain dark rapper from Compton, he would have gotten posters and shit.
Baffles me how a rapper doesn't get the respect he deserves because he is from a good home with a white single mother (similar to J.Cole, but people never seem to hold it against Cole), Drake raps/sings about his life 95% of the time, he gives you his story in his own way, yet people still call him "fake", i really don't know man, what exactly is fake about that? you want him to rap about drugs? he isn't about that life, should he have bars about gang banging? like i said not about that life. No one gave a feck about Toronto before Drake became famous, he has made it easier for you to relate to other rappers from the 6.
We have had this argument before on this thread, you really don't have to like Drake, you just cant put the man down for being different, most of you probably listen to Drake so whats the problem?
We have had this argument before on this thread, you really don't have to like Drake, you just cant put the man down for being different, most of you probably listen to Drake so whats the problem?
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Do you guys watch battle rap?
I respect the dude as an artist, he's not a fake rapper but they're limitations when it comes to his lack of street credibility when it comes to beefing (as you counter this point just bare in mind im not saying street credibility is a neccessity at all, but it exists and holds currency in the game and you know it). You said rappers are judged on how they react in battles/beefs. He got slapped and had to go to hospital with his tail between his legs and he had nothing to say about it. Thats simply knowing his place because Puff is a king but in this culture as you've acknowledged yourself it can be seen as a sign of weakness. J. Prince dissed puff on his behalf because he doesn't have the balls to do it himself. He's not one of them, bona fide hiphop artists with enough integrity to go at niggas. I told you I saw him once at a club and I swear his whole attitude was a made up hood persona that was clearly not the real him, 'entertainment' or not you can see through people. He's not that cat.
Drake is fine as long as he stays in his lane with his mostly R&B teeny bopper female demographic of followers. He's a radio star and a hitmaker. Common is a seasoned vet who's ten times the rapper Drake will ever be and would run rings around most rappers out there right now but going after Drake was pointless. The only way Common was going to win was by completely destroying Drake and that was never going to happen given his sheer popularity. The conscious rapper vs the emotionally conscious and massively popular rapper was just not on. I never took it seriously. Drake is not a great rapper IMO, he's a good rapper who carved himself a niche and ran away with it to the bank. Good for him.
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How many rappers(New skool) in the game right now can go bar for bar with Drake?
Would J.cole have hit Diddy back?
Most so called 'real' niggas probably would've swung back. A lot of cats out there can go toe for toe with Drake. Really? I mean what rappers are you thinking of when you ask this? His comparable contemporaries like Tyga? Drake is one of those cats who can spit a regular or decent rhyme and I swear he has the swag to make it seem like he just spit the best shit ever, but having heard better with less effort from other MCs in my time I know he aint saying jack. A lot of these little rappers today do the same
So Drake is not real ? you have to be a tough guy to be real ? i think we all know the likes of Drake and J.cole aren't the fighting type, besides we aren't 100% sure what went down in the club, Tyga and Drake are contemporaries? thats blasphemous to say the least, he has a lot of dope songs where he spit hard verses, Drake doesn't have to spit hard verses in every song because the game is different, he has found a lane, all you need is hits now, thats not to say he cant deliver.
I think we should agree to disagree.
A little here little there. I went to see Fredo Starr vs Keith Murray last year but it didn't happen at the last minute because the promoters fecked it up.
I'm not a fan of the whole no beat just bars thing, i think it'd be dope with a beat, shit just sounds corny without a beat, i caught the snoozefest that was Joe Budden v Hollow and Dizaster v Cassidy.
You're totally misunderstanding what the hell I said and im not sure if its on purpose. When it comes to his music I haven't called him fake or 'not real'. I've seen him behaving in a totally fake ass way in real life though as i've mentioned already. I also never said you have to be tough or have to have street credibility but some cats actually have it. Blasphemous? They are contemporaries! i.e exist at the same time and they're both totally commercial artists. You must think Drake is a God on the mic who should only be compared with the greats. So how do you think he squares up among these guys
Nipsey Hussle
Tyler the creator
Black Thought
Freddie Gibbs
Killer Mike
Pusha T
Big K.R.I.T
Schoolboy Q
Game
Eminem
Nas
Andre 3000
Joell Ortiz
Joey Bada$$
Mos Def
Big Boi
Kendrick Lamar
RZA
Isaiah Rashad
Ghostface Killah
Method Man
Raekwon
Redman
Jay Electronica
Yelawolf
Rass Kass
T.I
Feshawn
Lupe
Busta Rhymes
Pharoahe monch
Talib Kweli
Phonte and Big pooh (Little brother)
Royce Da 5'9
Joe Budden
AZ
Cassidy
Aesop Rock
I mean this list could go on and on. Its all about what you prefer I guess.
I agree with this. I prefer beats, makes it ore interesting. I used to watch Freestyle friday religiously on BET back in the day
Hip Hop mount Rushmore of New skool cats? Drake not among?
I think he's a good rapper, I don't think he's great. Lets just say he's not making any of my personal top lists. I respect his artistry though, he's nice, far from garbage like some people say
I can't tell if your serious or just taking the piss?
You referenced 3 bars. One going at Common and once at Serena. The other was just shit talking.
Believe me nobody is giving Drake the 'W' because it doesn't exist. He gets a 'W' for spitting one bar and talking shit on stage?????
Drake runs away from any beef he gets into instead of dissing people back. Diddy, Ludacris, Pusha T, DMX.
95% of them.
Drake would let the beat play for 3 minutes while everyone else would be rapping.
And any man would hit another man back if they put their hands on them. Especially someone from the 6
But he goes 0 to 100 real quick????
So you aint a fan of battle rap then
you are really going to reference a song referring to his rap career and his crew?
95% of them.
Drake would let the beat play for 3 minutes while everyone else would be rapping.
And any man would hit another man back if they put their hands on them. Especially someone from the 6
Err................ok
But you just said he raps 95% about his life?
You said he barely fired a line though, Common admitted to being in his feelings, so he has to take the L, so there is no way in hell he is getting the W, he came at Drake and got a response a good one at that - i don't think he expected Drake to respond.
You don't have to give the man the W, from your tone you don't feck with him so its cool.
DMX - There was no beef , he said he didnt like Drake, whats Drake supposed to do? DMX isn't relevant anymore.
Pusha T - He came at Wayne,Birdman and Drake talking about the 360 deal and all that crap, he didn't mention any names though, but it was obvious, funny thing is Pusha T is in a similar situation with his contract and Drake gets more money, Drake took shots at him on Tuscan Leather.
Ludacris - fecked Drakes girl back in the day and took shots drake and Big Sean for using the sups dupa flow, Drake responded on a track, beef has since been squashed.
Diddy - got in his feelings about the song 0-100, which Drake killed and saved us from another Terrible Diddy verse, they got into a brawl
During their scuffle, the 45-year-old rapper reportedly re-injured the Worst Behavior singer's left shoulder, which sent him directly to the ER.
'He has a history of having a shoulder issue,' a source told Hollywood Life.
'So when Diddy punched him in the shoulder he needed to get it checked out. He was just punched in the shoulder, not in the face.'[DM]
Ofcourse, certain people made it look like Diddy flat out beat the shit out of Drake, because these celebs don't walk around with security.... and of course most people would buy the story...but whatever.
But yeah according to you he runs from beef, perhaps a little research would do the trick.
I been Steph Curry with the shot
Been cookin' with the sauce, chef, curry with the pot, boy
360 with the wrist, boy
Who the feck them niggas is, boy?
OVO, man we really with the shits, boy
Really with the shits
I should prolly sign to Hit-Boy cause I got all the hits, boy
feck all that "Drake you gotta chill" shit
I be on my Lil Mouse drill shit
feck all that rap-to-pay-your-bill shit
I'm on some Raptors-pay-my-bills shit
All up on TV, I thought it'd make me richer
Wasn't payin' me enough, I needed somethin' quicker
So now I'm all in Niko's basement puttin' work in on the phones
Either that or drive to Money Mart to make the pickups
Man it's 2008, I'm tryna paint the picture
Comeback Season in the works and now I'm thinkin' bigger
I got 40 in the studio, every night, late night
Where is the lie? the song you referenced (0-100)
Where is the lie?
Not really no, watch videos here and there but i don't generally care for it.
Because I don't enjoy the gossip and playground "beefs"?
You played down the importance of beef in hip hop, it isn't as important as it was before, but still.
That means I don't like Hip hop? It's silly anyways and the fact that you used it as measurement to the greatness of rappers is quite irrelevant and strange to me. Many rappers don't have any problems and just do their own thing, are they not good? I still think that its a silly thing, nowadays anyway, and its nothing worth wasting my time on.
Never said you don't like Hip Hop, greatness used to be measured on a lot of things, flow,lyrics,subject matter and beef etc, history has not been kind to rappers who have lost beefs, Mobb deep,Ja Rule,Canibus(up for debate),MC Shan,Lil flip etc to the non hip hop fan, beef would be seen as a childish way to rate someone as you previously mentioned but its really not, the fans used to take beef seriously there is even a documentary about it.
Rappers nowadays are cool, they don't seem to beef as much as before with the internet rendering cities useless, there is no need to rep New York or LA anymore as the likes of Drake,Kendrick and J.Cole get airplays in every state so the whole city repping thing is dead.
The only reason i mentioned a "W in a rap beef" was because of the backlash Common would have received back in the day, for letting a rookie match up to him.
Quote the whole song if your going to it then.
"feck being on some chill shit
We go 0 to 100 niggas, real quick"
"Niggas wanna do it, we can do it they turf nigga"
"OVO, man we really with the shits, boy
Really with the shits"
"Don't make me kill one of the GOAT's for it"
Guess he slowed his ass down when he ran into Puff then.
This is what your not getting into your head. He didnt match up to him at all. He didnt do anything other that spit a line on someone else's song about him.
So the "stay schemin" verse was not a response?
Is Drake supposed to respond to DMX for calling him a pussy and a bitch on the breakfast club? in 2011? why on earth would anyone respond to DMX in 2011? besides if DMX was really ready for beef, he should have released a diss song.
Drake doesn't want any part of Pusha T but responded to him in Tuscan Leather? some logic that.
Ludacris used the diss song to explain why he bit the flow.
"Don't make me kill one of the GOAT's for it" - shots at Hov
"OVO, man we really with the shits, boy
Really with the shits" - He is affiliated with real street dudes and this is not a lie.
Overall, the only incident you seem to bring up is the one with Puff so..
Diddy saw Drake at LIV Monday for the first time since the song was released. Sources close to Diddy say he confronted Drake, who just blew him off, and that's when Diddy said, "You'll never disrespect me again," and then punched him.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/12/09/diddy-punched-drake-fight-song-feud/#ixzz3WF0335I3
The whole fiasco has been blown out of proportion, not like they got into a fight or anything, Diddy punched him on his shoulder (sucker punch), this is Diddy we are talking about.
I couldnt give a shit about his altercation with puff. You said he raps 95% about his life and doesnt try to talk the street shit. Well he does. You can't seem to get it in your head that he didn't get no 'W' with Common.
Your like a little teenage Drake groupie. Admit you were wrong and move on.
The Stay Schemin verse was dope, a lot of people have acknowledged that... even Common, this is the first time i am hearing it was weak, just because you disliked it doesn't actually mean it was weak.... but whatever.
Yeah DMX has sold a lot of records but responding to him in 2011 would have been a waste of time, and quite frankly you really don't have to respond to every "pussy" jab that comes your way, especially from a radio interview, heck if DMX feels some type of way about Drake then he should release a diss song, i wonder what you would have said if Drake came at DMX on a radio interview but now its DMX its cool ....ok
The real question is who actually owns the sups dupe flow, it definitely isn't Big Seans but he popularised it, Even Ludacris admitted to biting the flow on the aforementioned diss dong, any sane person who has listened to the song would actually hear it.
No he didn't! What age are you?
"Counterfeit rappers say I’m stealing their flows,
but I can’t steal what you never made up bitch"
"Let me explain, nothing’s been new since Big Daddy Kane
Flows will get recycled passed around to different names
But what’s the same, that every verse I spit is insane
Got more styles than any rapper in the game, 11 years and still counting
And ya’ll get a couple hit records, make some noise and have the nerve to start shouting
Who’s gassing ‘em, they blowing smoke up your ass, you fired up but I’m just puff puff passin’ ‘em"
"You lying to yourself, just admit it
May not like the way I use it but you know you ain't invent it boy
Do your research before you make a claim so bogus
That's disrespecting pioneers in the game"
Where did Ludacris admit to biting Big Sean's flow? The flow has been used by 100's of rappers. Before you were even born.
Big Sean did not invent it or popularise it.
Lol, i kind of knew a personal attack would come up at some point, i said 95% of drakes songs are about his life, and i stand by that, you brought up a song, i reviewed majority of the lyrics of that one song and proved that it was really about his life, you brought up more lyrics which i also reviewed, you brought up the altercation with puff... i didnt, now you don't give a shit? ok
I never said he doesn't try to talk the street shit, bring up a quote if i did, i said 95% which means the other 5% would probably be about the whole rap gimmick which is present in every single rapper, every rapper exaggerates, its nothing new.
In respects to the W with Common, as i mentioned before, Common admitted to being the one at fault, he is a vet who was matched bar a rookie, now if you don't want to give Drake the "W" thats fine, but you cant give him an "L" for responding to a vet who was in his feelings? now can you.
"Teenage Drake groupie" haha,i guess when the going gets tough, you resort to name calling, i am not Drake's biggest fan, i like some of his music, doesn't mean i won't give him the credit he deserves, i have defended a lot of rappers i don't even feck with, Nothing new, it's a forum after all.