College Football Season Begins...

Oregon = flattering to deceive

Even though they were in it - they were never in it. I watched and was not impressed by them. ASU for you this weekend - this should be much better.

As for the other...we're going to smack the everloving shit out of UDub and I will be in attendance for said headkicking.

Roll on Dec 3rd!
 
TheDevil'sOwn said:
Oregon = flattering to deceive

Even though they were in it - they were never in it. I watched and was not impressed by them. ASU for you this weekend - this should be much better.

As for the other...we're going to smack the everloving shit out of UDub and I will be in attendance for said headkicking.

Roll on Dec 3rd!

Our Defense really stepped up vs. said duckies. Autzen was a very loud and intimidating place to play.

I am a bit nervous for ASU. but Tempe is far less intimidating stadium to play in.

ASU's pass defense is horrid as is their special teams. Their offense is excellent.

the way I figure, we started about as horribly executing, taking penalties and with as much bad luck as you can get in the first 20 minutes and then came back and stomped Oregon in a hostile environment. It was a massive motivator.

I honestly believe that the only team that can beat USC is USC. Nobody else measures up in terms of skill and athleticism and talent across the board and the Oregon game was a big wakeup call for them. a tough game can be great for a team and I think that was it.

I am a bit concerned that Kiffin and Sarkisian are not playing Bush and White at the same time nearly enough. It gives a defense such a problem that it is ridiculous not to do so...unless they are saving that for the harder games like this one as well as ND, Fresno, Cal and UCLA
 
I don't think SC is going to show any useful offensive formations until this weekend. This is probably a game they had circled on their calendars.

From what I've seen...I don't think any team really matches up to the Trojies. A team that throws a million points on the board, and would only need a few defensive stops, might be a team that could beat them. Texas, with Young, might be able to. ASU has a chance to score and score plenty...being at home is awfully helpful. They could do it.

That's it, though. Too early in the Bruins' season to say they have an actual shot, even for me - but they do score, have a balanced offense, and are stopping the run. So far, so good. We'll see.
 
TheDevil'sOwn said:
I don't think SC is going to show any useful offensive formations until this weekend. This is probably a game they had circled on their calendars.

From what I've seen...I don't think any team really matches up to the Trojies. A team that throws a million points on the board, and would only need a few defensive stops, might be a team that could beat them. Texas, with Young, might be able to. ASU has a chance to score and score plenty...being at home is awfully helpful. They could do it.

That's it, though. Too early in the Bruins' season to say they have an actual shot, even for me - but they do score, have a balanced offense, and are stopping the run. So far, so good. We'll see.

to be honest, I'm a bit more worried about ASU and UCLA then I am about Texas. The Big 12 is a total joke this year and while not quite as weak as the Big Least, still pretty weak.

If we wound up playing Texas we'd decimate them the way we did Oklahoma, which was a hell of a lot better last year than Texas is this year.

I think Virginia Tech is the only team outside the Pac 10 that could match up with us this year, but even then it would be a stretch.

Florida doesn't worry me at all, I don't see them making it through the SEC unscathed or Georgia making it either.

Michigan State has been a good surprise and they might pull off some magic and get through undefeated but i doubt it.

Florida State has a great defense but no offense, I think they'll drop a game or two down the road.


The way I figure, if we run the table and go 12-0 and go to the Rose Bowl, only Texas and Va. Tech have a chance to go unbeaten and get there. Va Tech still has to go through Miami and would probably have to paly FSU in the ACC championship...I have to believe they might suffer a loss...


so my best guess is USC - Texas...and I'll take that bet any day of the week.




didn't you guys lose your top receiver for the season?

we lost Terrell Thomas for the season during the Arkansas game but we've got some help.

are you guys thin at receiver?
 
watched parts of the arkansas game and the first half ;) of the oregon game ... jesus, reggie bush is unbelievable.
 
Keep talking shit Flash, but do remember all the shit Miami talked in 2002 and were beaten by a weaker Ohio State squad (and Miami was being lauded as one of the best teams ever, and a dynasty, which seems earily familiar today). Same thing with OU in 2003 when they were rolling opponents by 40, 50+ points each week before being dominated in the conference championship by Kansas State, a far inferior team.

That's why they play the games. I hope UT plays USC...let it be settled on the field and not in your biased opinion.
 
MrMarcello said:
Keep talking shit Flash, but do remember all the shit Miami talked in 2002 and were beaten by a weaker Ohio State squad (and Miami was being lauded as one of the best teams ever, and a dynasty, which seems earily familiar today). Same thing with OU in 2003 when they were rolling opponents by 40, 50+ points each week before being dominated in the conference championship by Kansas State, a far inferior team.

That's why they play the games. I hope UT plays USC...let it be settled on the field and not in your biased opinion.

:lol:

calm down Marcello ;) it's still true about the Big 12 though...it has never been weaker.

ATM there is nobody better than USC and untill someone proves otherwise that is how it is.

Texas has not faced a real offense yet, and I'd match them up against USC any day of the week and take USC every time.

barring any injuries to Leinart, Bush or other critical offensive players I don't think anyone can hang with USC offensively.

can teams give them a fight? Sure they can, but they are going to have to hang at least 35 points on SC to do it and hold them as well. They will have to play a flawless game in terms of turnovers and penalties etc. while hoping SC plays the way they did vs. Oregon in the first quarter for the whole game.

can USC be beaten? Sure...anyone can be...but it's going to have to be a hell of a team to do it...and Texas isn't that team.

I'm more worried about ASU and UCLA then I am about Texas.
 
FLASHWOK said:
to be honest, I'm a bit more worried about ASU and UCLA then I am about Texas. The Big 12 is a total joke this year and while not quite as weak as the Big Least, still pretty weak.

If we wound up playing Texas we'd decimate them the way we did Oklahoma, which was a hell of a lot better last year than Texas is this year.

I think Virginia Tech is the only team outside the Pac 10 that could match up with us this year, but even then it would be a stretch.

Florida doesn't worry me at all, I don't see them making it through the SEC unscathed or Georgia making it either.

Michigan State has been a good surprise and they might pull off some magic and get through undefeated but i doubt it.

Florida State has a great defense but no offense, I think they'll drop a game or two down the road.


The way I figure, if we run the table and go 12-0 and go to the Rose Bowl, only Texas and Va. Tech have a chance to go unbeaten and get there. Va Tech still has to go through Miami and would probably have to paly FSU in the ACC championship...I have to believe they might suffer a loss...


so my best guess is USC - Texas...and I'll take that bet any day of the week.




didn't you guys lose your top receiver for the season?

we lost Terrell Thomas for the season during the Arkansas game but we've got some help.

are you guys thin at receiver?
Yup - my main man Junior Taylor is out for the season. Lost him on the 1st play of the game against OU. He's taking a medical red-shirt, so he'll be back.

Fortunately, Marcus Everett was playing his first game of the season for us and had 6 catches for whatever number of yds - nice game for him. I wouldn't say we're thin so much as I would say we're young. The 6 man rotation hs Everett, Cowan, Breazell, Baumgartner, Ketchum, and Willis.

5 of the 6 we're always going to be looked at to contribute, with the exception of Willis, who's a track guy and hasn't played football since his Soph. yr. of high school. Everett, Breazell, and Willis are the speed guys, Cowan, Ketchum, and Baumgartner are the possession guys. Lewis, Moya, Hair, and Paulsen all have caught passes from TE, and Pitre and Stephens have been used out of the FB position. Mix that in with Drew, Markey, and Bell out of the RB spot...we have options. Receivers need to make sure they execute tight patterns and catch the ball...and they'll be fine. RAC yds. aren't such a big deal with the WRs because of the homerun threats of Lewis, Drew, and Markey. Too much attention payed to them - over the top to one of the receivers in the 3-4 wide sets.

See? Anybody could be an O.C. at the collegiate level :D
 
Just like I'm more worried about A&M and Texas Tech at the moment, and I'm sure OU will be a better team in 8 days than they have been the last 3 weeks.

I'll worry about USC should that day occur.
 
TheDevil'sOwn said:
Yup - my main man Junior Taylor is out for the season. Lost him on the 1st play of the game against OU. He's taking a medical red-shirt, so he'll be back.

Fortunately, Marcus Everett was playing his first game of the season for us and had 6 catches for whatever number of yds - nice game for him. I wouldn't say we're thin so much as I would say we're young. The 6 man rotation hs Everett, Cowan, Breazell, Baumgartner, Ketchum, and Willis.

5 of the 6 we're always going to be looked at to contribute, with the exception of Willis, who's a track guy and hasn't played football since his Soph. yr. of high school. Everett, Breazell, and Willis are the speed guys, Cowan, Ketchum, and Baumgartner are the possession guys. Lewis, Moya, Hair, and Paulsen all have caught passes from TE, and Pitre and Stephens have been used out of the FB position. Mix that in with Drew, Markey, and Bell out of the RB spot...we have options. Receivers need to make sure they execute tight patterns and catch the ball...and they'll be fine. RAC yds. aren't such a big deal with the WRs because of the homerun threats of Lewis, Drew, and Markey. Too much attention payed to them - over the top to one of the receivers in the 3-4 wide sets.

See? Anybody could be an O.C. at the collegiate level :D

I know I could be an OC ;)

we also got an awesome Commit on Wednesday...Antwine Perez. another awesome 5 star safety
 
MrMarcello said:
Just like I'm more worried about A&M and Texas Tech at the moment, and I'm sure OU will be a better team in 8 days than they have been the last 3 weeks.

I'll worry about USC should that day occur.


Texas Tech? :lol:

are they going to keep playing Div1 AA lightweights? OU still stinks this year no matter how many weeks they have. A&M is your only real competition this year after Ohio State, which had no offense to test you guys with.
 
FLASHWOK said:
Saw that. Only 11 can play at one time :D

Kudos, either way.

Don't know if you bother with the LA Times, but here's a good read about Leinart and the game @ ASU after your loss to Cal in '03:

OCT. 4, 2003: TURNING POINT FOR USC
A Signal Moment

Leinart's return from injury at Arizona State changed course of history for four quarterbacks and Trojan program.

By Gary Klein, Times Staff Writer

Matt Leinart lay slumped on a table just outside USC's locker room at Sun Devil Stadium, his right ankle wrapped in ice, his mind a jumble of uncertainties.

It was Oct. 4, 2003.

A week earlier, he had had three passes intercepted against California in a triple-overtime defeat in the Pacific 10 Conference opener. Coaches kept Leinart as the starter for Arizona State, though not with an overwhelming vote of confidence.

"He gives us the best chance to win right now," Coach Pete Carroll had said of the sophomore. "We'll stick with him."

Now, instead of leading his team onto the field for the second half, Leinart was about to be left behind. A hit early in the second quarter had knocked him out of the game. X-rays revealed no major damage, but his right knee and ankle hurt. Especially the ankle.

As teammates filed past in the long, narrow hallway, some offered encouragement. Others stared blankly ahead. The coaches followed, offensive coordinator Norm Chow, quarterbacks coach Steve Sarkisian. And finally, Carroll.

"He was mad," Leinart recalled.

Carroll was not angry with Leinart, but he was furious that his starting quarterback was agonizing where every USC player could see him.

"What are you doing sitting there?" the coach barked. "We need you! Get your … off that table! And if you limp, you're not playing."

Carroll walked on, thinking, There's no chance, but it was worth a shot.

When the coach exited the now silent hallway, Leinart slowly got up off the table.

No one could have known it at the time, but the course of a program changed in that moment.

So did the careers of four quarterbacks.

Matt Cassel had waited more than three years to show USC coaches and fans he was more than a caddie for Heisman Trophy winner Carson Palmer.

Leinart beat the tall, rangy junior for the starting job during the spring and solidified his hold on the spot during fall. But when trainers took Leinart to the locker room after he was sacked with 14:04 left in the second quarter, Cassel got his chance.

"All of sudden, in the blink of an eye, it was, 'Cassel, you're going to get an opportunity to go in there in a competitive situation,' " he recalled during a telephone interview last week.

The sideline was a flurry of activity during a USC timeout, Sarkisian barking instructions, Chow calling down from the press box. Cassel could barely catch his breath.

"You're so caught up in the moment that you're just trying to get your head and everything else focused," Cassel said. "The last thing you have time to think about is 'If I screw up, there goes my career, there goes my opportunity.' You have enough pressure on you."

Cassel's first series began at the Trojans' 11-yard line and went nowhere.

The next series started better, Cassel finding wide receiver Mike Williams on a pass across the middle for a 39-yard gain. The Trojans drove inside the Arizona State 25, but Cassel lost a fumble while being sacked. The next series generated 14 yards; the one after that lost three.

But USC got the ball back with 32 seconds left in the half and Cassel had one more shot. He threw a 31-yard pass into the end zone. The 6-foot-5 Williams grabbed it, but officials ruled he was out of bounds. The Trojans settled for a game-tying field goal.

"If that's a touchdown, we have the lead at the half and [Cassel] probably comes out and starts the second half for us," Sarkisian said recently.

As the Trojans trotted toward the locker room, Cassel thought, I can't wait to get back in there. Everything is going to calm down.

The coaching staff, however, had another plan.

The offense and defense went to opposite sides of the locker room at halftime while coaches huddled in another room.

"We come in and we're in dire straits," Sarkisian recalled. "… We knew we had a good football team, but we needed to make a decision on what we were going to do."

When the coaches emerged from their meeting, Chow and Carroll looked Brandon Hance in the eye.

"Warm up," they said. "You better be ready to go."

Of all the USC quarterbacks, the resourceful Hance seemed made for the situation. He was No. 4 on the depth chart, but he had started nine games for Purdue in 2001 and had played in hostile environments at places such as Michigan.

The San Fernando Valley native had transferred to USC in 2002 and sat out the season while recovering from shoulder surgery. He was still regaining strength through spring practice and training camp.

Now, Chow and Carroll were pulling the junior aside, telling him he would start the second half, asking him which plays he was most comfortable with.

"I had confidence and I was jacked up to go out there," Hance said recently. "It was a situation I would have thrived in — on the road, team behind, adversity."

When Hance reached the field, he grabbed a ball and began playing catch with Sarkisian.

"Coach Carroll was standing there telling me how I was going to do it and how it was going to be great," Hance said. "Guys were coming by, patting me on the butt and saying, 'C'mon B-Hance.' "

He buckled his helmet, ready to go in.

And then, as if in a movie, Hance saw a figure in the distance.

"I was like, "Oh my God. Here he comes."
 
Leinart winced as he made his way down the hallway, Carroll's message ringing in his ears.

Just don't limp.

Hobbling down the walkway that led to the field, Leinart thought of what Sarkisian had told him at halftime.

"These guys need you. You gotta go. Find a way."

Warming up Hance, Sarkisian saw Leinart reach the sideline just as the second half was about to begin. Arizona State would have the ball first.

The quarterbacks coach turned to Carroll.

"Well, here comes Matt," Sarkisian said.

"What do you want to do?" Carroll asked.

"Let's play him," Sarkisian said. "Let's play the guy. I mean, he's our best chance."

Arizona State took nearly 5 1/2 minutes to drive 77 yards for a touchdown and a 17-10 lead.

But that only set the stage for Leinart, who would guide the Trojans to 27 unanswered points on a day when freshman tailback LenDale White rushed for 140 yards and two second-half touchdowns.

Leinart finished 13 for 23 for 289 yards and two touchdowns, including a 33-yard scoring pass to fullback Brandon Hancock on fourth down for the go-ahead points. More important, he won the confidence of his teammates who proclaimed him their undisputed leader.

USC's 37-17 victory started the Trojans on what has grown into a 25-game winning streak. Along the way, they have won consecutive national titles and Leinart picked up a Heisman Trophy.

"We really haven't been the same since that game," Carroll said.

Leinart acknowledges the game as a turning point in his career. "Since then, it's been no looking back," he said. But he discounts assertions that he did anything more than seize the moment.

"It wasn't like anything heroic," he said. "It was, my team needs me. I've got to play."

There was a fourth quarterback there that day.

John David Booty had stunned the college football world by skipping his senior season at Evangel Christian Academy in Shreveport, La., graduating early, and enrolling at USC that fall.

He thought he could play right away. So did Carroll.

"He has excellent tools; you can't hide it," the coach said after one of Booty's first practices.

But Booty struggled with injuries through most of training camp and after three games he was No. 3 on the depth chart. Still, coaches told the freshman to get ready in case the second-half starter faltered.

"You grow up fast," Booty said recently. "It doesn't matter if I would have been ready for it. On the first play I went in, I would have had to adjust."

However, he never did go in that day. And he still is adjusting.

The following season, Booty redshirted as Leinart became the second USC quarterback in three years to win the Heisman. Booty hoped to take over the offense this season, but those plans were nixed when Leinart decided to return for his final year of eligibility.

Carroll has said the sophomore will receive significant playing time this season.

Of the Arizona State game, Booty said, "Looking back, I definitely think I wasn't near as ready as I am now."

Matt Cassel looks back too, but without regret.

He would have liked to finish the game. If he had, the coaching staff might not have elevated Booty to No. 2 on the depth chart the following week and asked Cassel to move to tight end a week later.

"I thought I played well for a first time out," he said. "There's always room for improvement. But I don't look back and say I really blew that performance."

Things worked out pretty well for Cassel. He was a backup quarterback again in 2004, but the Super Bowl champion New England Patriots took him in the seventh round of the NFL draft.

"It validates things a little bit for me," said Cassel, who backs up Tom Brady and Doug Flutie. "A lot of people questioned it, but I can definitely play this game. The professional level, you don't get much better than that."

Hance sometimes wonders what might have been.

"That would have been a perfect stage and perfect opportunity to step up and do something," said Hance, who is in the process of launching a music and entertainment website. "That was a massive turning point in our entire program. From that point on, we just changed gears."

Carroll looks back at the moment Leinart got up off the table as a turning point.

"If you went back and did it again maybe everything is different," he said. "You don't know.

"He rose to the top when he had to, when all the odds were stacked against him. It looked like he was done. But he was at his best.

"He's been that way ever since."
 
FLASHWOK said:
Texas Tech? :lol:

are they going to keep playing Div1 AA lightweights? OU still stinks this year no matter how many weeks they have. A&M is your only real competition this year after Ohio State, which had no offense to test you guys with.

Texas Tech because they throw the ball 60-70 times per game. It stretches the defense. UT is by far superior to them. But when you throw the ball that much and use 4 and 5 receiver sets, you can get open lanes and big plays.

But how you laugh at Tech but don't laugh at some of those pansies in the PAC 10 (Arizona, Wash, Stanford, Oregon St etc.) is beyond reason. ;)

Where's USC's real test? Notre Dame? Puh-lease. Actually, it would be rather funny if they did upset USC.
Arizona State? The PAC 10s version of Kansas State a few years ago. Overhyped.
Cal? Probably the only real test in the conference.
UCLA? You never know with arch rivals. Beat OU, but Northwestern would beat OU if they recovered 3 fumbles inside OU territory, gifting them 17 points off turnovers.
Wash St? Beating mighty Idaho, sensational Nevada, and magnificent Grambling. Wow.
 
MrMarcello said:
Keep talking shit Flash, but do remember all the shit Miami talked in 2002 and were beaten by a weaker Ohio State squad (and Miami was being lauded as one of the best teams ever, and a dynasty, which seems earily familiar today).

Don´t let Raoul hear this. :D
 
MrMarcello said:
Texas Tech because they throw the ball 60-70 times per game. It stretches the defense. UT is by far superior to them. But when you throw the ball that much and use 4 and 5 receiver sets, you can get open lanes and big plays.

But how you laugh at Tech but don't laugh at some of those pansies in the PAC 10 (Arizona, Wash, Stanford, Oregon St etc.) is beyond reason. ;)

Where's USC's real test? Notre Dame? Puh-lease. Actually, it would be rather funny if they did upset USC.
Arizona State? The PAC 10s version of Kansas State a few years ago. Overhyped.
Cal? Probably the only real test in the conference.
UCLA? You never know with arch rivals. Beat OU, but Northwestern would beat OU if they recovered 3 fumbles inside OU territory, gifting them 17 points off turnovers.
Wash St? Beating mighty Idaho, sensational Nevada, and magnificent Grambling. Wow.

I do laugh at Stanford losing to UC Davis, and either way, although the Pac 10 isn't the strongest conference in the nation, it contains the most sophisticated offenses.

USC has 4 away games in 5 weeks vs. 3 ranked opponents (all on the road)...that's a test no? then wazzu and stanford at home, followed by 3 more ranked opponents (1 road two home) to end the season.

seems pretty tough to me. despite your feelings of the Pac 10, it doesn't change the fact that USC hasn't lost to a non conference opponent since 2002. the only one was K State who we lost to by 7 points in their house in 2002. during that time every time we stepped out of conference we beat the hell out of NOtre Dame (3 times) Auburn (2 times) Michigan, Iowa, Oklahoma among others. Not even close to us. Say what you want about in conference toughness but the true test is when you step out of conference, and USC has smoked every non-conference opponent by a considerable margin.

top to bottom this year I'd match virtually anyone in the Pac 10 top to bottom vs. the Big 12.

1. USC........TEXAS
2. ASU........whoever
3. UCLA.......whoever
4. CAL.........Whoever
5. Oregon.....Whoever

etc. etc.
 
Revenge is a dish best served cold.

No. 2 Texas 45, Oklahoma 12
Vince Young threw for 243 yards and three touchdowns and Jamaal Charles (pictured) ran for 116 yards and one score to lead the Longhorns past Oklahoma in the 100th edition of the SBC Red River Rivalry.

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In-Vince-able (ESPN.com frontpage header)
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MrMarcello said:
Well, it's been 6 years. Thank god it's over. Hook 'em Horns!

Not as bad as MLB teams sporting division title/wild card ballcaps. :lol:


to be expected...over the worst Sooner Squad since pre 2000.

they were pathetic. a freshman quarterback whose most dependable receiver is the backup quarterback and with Peterson with a bum leg for the game, a porous offensive line and a secondary worse than last years but with two freshmen added.
 
MrMarcello said:
Well, it's been 6 years. Thank god it's over. Hook 'em Horns!

Not as bad as MLB teams sporting division title/wild card ballcaps. :lol:

im not wondering that there is such a tshirt, but im rather wondering how quick that one is released ... with the correct score even

well, nba teams release "playoffs 2005" tshirts, so im not wondering mlb teams make tshirts when they actually achieve something ... and reaching the mlb postseason is "a bit" harder than making the playoffs in any other north american sport. the red sox champagne celebration when they won the wildcard and the white sox champagne clubhouse celebration when they won the alds were ridiculous, although it was more understandable in the white sox case, but the red sox? they were the defending champions, they´d been there before, so f*cking act like it.
 
FLASH's updated TOP 15 after this week's games

1. USC.......................5-0
2. Virginia Tech...........6-0
3. Texas....................5-0
4. Georgia..................5-0
5. Florida State...........5-0
6. Alabama.................5-0
7. Penn State.............6-0
8. UCLA.....................5-0
9. Miami.....................4-1
10.Florida...................5-1
11.LSU......................3-1
12.Notre Dame............4-1
13.California...............5-1
14.Ohio State.............3-2
15.Texas Tech............5-0
 
FLASHWOK said:
to be expected...over the worst Sooner Squad since pre 2000.

they were pathetic. a freshman quarterback whose most dependable receiver is the backup quarterback and with Peterson with a bum leg for the game, a porous offensive line and a secondary worse than last years but with two freshmen added.

:boring:
 
MrMarcello said:
LOL... VaTech above Texas. :lol:


Va. Tech will jump Texas if they go both undefeated.

Va Tech would have to beat Miami and FSU and in the quality wins department that would trump anything on Texas' resume.


Texas' defense has not faced a single credible offense yet and in their only game against a top defense, (Ohio State) they weren't that impressive.

the only offense they will face that could be considered anywhere near top notch would be Texas Tech, which let's face it, has been beating up on 1AA opponents and was not that impressive at all against weak Kansas and Nebraska teams.


Texas is still a one man team, with an untested defense.
 
the first bcs standings will be out on october 17th