Cole Palmer | Chelsea Player

I'm not sure how anyone can classify Chelsea selling Salah as a "mistake."

Nobody in the world at the same saw the Liverpool Salah in the Chelsea one, he was very average for Chelsea.

It would be like if Man Utd sold Scott McTominay and he came became, 2 years later as one of the best midfielders in World football. Wouldn't be a mistake because not a single person would have seen that coming.

Of course that would be a mistake. Or an amazing point to prove incapability of decision makers to come up with adequate decisions.

If you are as capable to judge talent as are we, ordinary fans, perhaps you are doing wrong job.

If McTominay became the worlds best midfielder, Manchester United would rightfully become a laughing stock, not just for discarding him, as that would only be a consequence of bigger problem - not being capable od judging his potential properly despite having him play huge amount of games, and not tweaking the team to suit him, so that he would become worlds best midfielder playing for Manchester United, and not somewhere else.
 
Of course that would be a mistake. Or an amazing point to prove incapability of decision makers to come up with adequate decisions.

If you are as capable to judge talent as are we, ordinary fans, perhaps you are doing wrong job.

If McTominay became the worlds best midfielder, Manchester United would rightfully become a laughing stock, not just for discarding him, as that would only be a consequence of bigger problem - not being capable od judging his potential properly despite having him play huge amount of games, and not tweaking the team to suit him, so that he would become worlds best midfielder playing for Manchester United, and not somewhere else.

Sometimes some ability jumps are so surreal and unprecedented that no amount of scouting could have gotten such a yield.

Ethan Pinnock played in the 7th tier of English football, at Dulwich. At the age of 24 he was still playing in the conference league. 4 years later he would be a regular starter at a Premier League Club.

You're telling me even the best of scouts can look at a 22 year old Ethan Pinnock and "Yep he's a top quality footballer, lets get him," whilst he was on the 7th tier of English football?

Or are you saying that all the big clubs made a massive mistake because they were unable to recognise that 25 year old Jamie Vardy, playing for Fleetwood town had the ability to become PL top scorer and break the PL consecutive goals record?
 
If I was a second tier team below EPL, I would always try to get some of the youngsters from top clubs. Thos boys on the verge of breaking through. There's plenty of potentially great players which will not be give time in their respective clubs.
 
Yeah and Rodri wasn't even nominated for those awards. That alone tells how reliable those voters are :lol:

As to Haaland, no. He scored lots of goals against crap teams in easy games, but on the whole was hugely disappointing throughout the season
Rodri won the Ballon D'Or because of Spain and the Euros mostly. But this is false anyway, because Rodri was nominated for the PFA award, along with Haaland.

The main point however, is that Palmer did not 'outplay' all of City's top guys last season like you are claiming.
 
Rodri won the Ballon D'Or because of Spain and the Euros mostly. But this is false anyway, because Rodri was nominated for the PFA award, along with Haaland.

The main point however, is that Palmer did not 'outplay' all of City's top guys last season like you are claiming.

Palmer will win the Ballon d'Or eventually.
 
After watching quite a few chelsea games where I particularly paid attention to his involvements, he is pretty overrated. His off the ball workrate is pretty poor. While his teammates are putting in maximum effort to win the ball back, he just does light half assed jogs, which often allows the opposition to breeze past Chelseas midfield when attacking. He also seems to be a moments player, who is quite average in terms of his general play across the 90 minutes.

I realize this is harsh as he isn't necessarily a bad player, but the "best player in the premier league" and "future ballon d'or winner" comments are just insanity as he is not on that level.
 
Palmer will win the Ballon d'Or eventually.
I'm certain he won't. He's very good but i don't think he will reach the necessary heights to win that award. He would also need England to win something and he doesn't even have a fixed place in the team. Tuchel has to find a way to make Palmer+Saka work.
 
he wont.

He will be solid for a few more seasons,
At best, and fade into obscurity.
Tend to agree - I don’t think he will improve from the level he’s at now. Completely judging a book by its cover I just think he doesn’t seem like the type of character with longevity / consistent improvement in his make up
 
Palmer will win the Ballon d'Or eventually.
Considering it's a popularity contest at the heart of it and Palmer is a charisma black hole I don't see how he's going to win it without doing something spectacular during a World Cup year or moving to Real or Barca.
 
I would say you will be surprised when the total wage will be reported, at that time this will be forgotten and you all will be saying how next year financial report will show lower wage bill because you offloaded few high earners.

Lo and behold the new numbers have been released. Chelsea's overall wage bill is down by £62M/y from 2022/23. Who could have guessed, eh?
 
Lo and behold the new numbers have been released. Chelsea's overall wage bill is down by £62M/y from 2022/23. Who could have guessed, eh?


Chelsea's wage bill was down but only to £333.5m (incl any Poch pay off)(2023: £404m inc management payoffs) on turnover of £464m (2023: £512.5m) largely loss of CL revenue. Operating loss in the order of £250m for 23/24. Chelsea are not paying £60k pw average wages.

Also there is lack of CL, so it's not apple to apple comparison, In any case, all these 60K-80K wont add up to 333 million. So who is making big money to bring the wage bill to 333 million.

But overall yeah, Chelsea have offloaded high earners and did decent job to bring the wage down, whether by incentives or lack of CL participation that I don't know.

Also this bring back the point I was making for years on caf, Capology reported wages was 157 million for Chelsea, official reported wages are 333 million but still people blindly quote these shit sites.
 




Also there is lack of CL, so it's not apple to apple comparison, In any case, all these 60K-80K wont add up to 333 million. So who is making big money to bring the wage bill to 333 million.

But overall yeah, Chelsea have offloaded high earners and did decent job to bring the wage down, whether by incentives or lack of CL participation that I don't know.

Also this bring back the point I was making for years on caf, Capology reported wages was 157 million for Chelsea, official reported wages are 333 million but still people blindly quote these shit sites.


As far as I know the total figures on the official accounts are always for entire club staff all the way from the top of the board room down to the tea lady, not just the first team players.

The first team playing staff of course make up for the vast majority of that number but say the loan group players, academy players, coaching staff, directors, scouting staff, women's team and all regular non-playing staff take all put together say 30% of the overall number and it's a very different story already. By that point it's easily conceivable that the numbers from sites like Capology represent the base salaries at close enough ball park accuracy and any bonuses the squad have on their contracts make up for the rest. Sites like that are always to be taken with a rather large pinch of salt but generally speaking they're about the best we can get as long as the salaries are not publicly disclosed.

As for who's making the big money, I don't think anyone claimed we don't have any big earners. From last season's squad I'm sure the likes of Sterling, Nkunku, James, Chilwell, Fofana, Enzo, Caicedo, Cucurella are all on salaries right up there with some of the other top earners in the league. But just because the club have some big earners it still doesn't mean that young players signed from obscurity are all automatically earning top salaries without ever having to prove it first. Take Cole Palmer for example. he signed initially for what was a more reasonable wage with performance related incentives and as soon as he proved he was more than capable of coming up with top level performances he got a major pay rise. That's the way it should be IMO.

The CL participation is a worthy mention and I agree if we were to return to the UCL eventually I'm sure bonuses will raise the number quite a bit further up but as long as the increase is still less than what can be made from participating in it there's no problems.
 
As far as I know the total figures on the official accounts are always for entire club staff all the way from the top of the board room down to the tea lady, not just the first team players.

The first team playing staff of course make up for the vast majority of that number but say the loan group players, academy players, coaching staff, directors, scouting staff, women's team and all regular non-playing staff take all put together say 30% of the overall number and it's a very different story already. By that point it's easily conceivable that the numbers from sites like Capology represent the base salaries at close enough ball park accuracy and any bonuses the squad have on their contracts make up for the rest. Sites like that are always to be taken with a rather large pinch of salt but generally speaking they're about the best we can get as long as the salaries are not publicly disclosed.

As for who's making the big money, I don't think anyone claimed we don't have any big earners. From last season's squad I'm sure the likes of Sterling, Nkunku, James, Chilwell, Fofana, Enzo, Caicedo, Cucurella are all on salaries right up there with some of the other top earners in the league. But just because the club have some big earners it still doesn't mean that young players signed from obscurity are all automatically earning top salaries without ever having to prove it first. Take Cole Palmer for example. he signed initially for what was a more reasonable wage with performance related incentives and as soon as he proved he was more than capable of coming up with top level performances he got a major pay rise. That's the way it should be IMO.

The CL participation is a worthy mention and I agree if we were to return to the UCL eventually I'm sure bonuses will raise the number quite a bit further up but as long as the increase is still less than what can be made from participating in it there's no problems.

Chelsea reported wages are 2X times the capology figures, lets assume they only report base wages, then check ManUtd wages then you will see how off the mark they are.

They might be spot on but they are useless if they report base wages for one club and total package for other club. That's why their figures always show ManUtd paying 2x more than Chelsea, Liverpool and even City.

Regarding the wages, if your players are earning low wages, your total wages when not playing in CL wouldn't be 333 million. Check Spurs or even Arsenal wages when they were paying low wages, you will get estimate of what total wages would have been, around 200 million.

If the wages go up by 20-25% for CL participation (taking ManUtd as example as that what was reported), then where is the reduction? You are still seeing the same figures except the CL wages. Even if you take 15%, then it's pretty much same total wages.

Re Palmer, as per Capology if you add your team wages it's 157 million and thats with Palmer at 80K per week and everyone earning modest wages except few. So how did the total wage shoot up to 333 million in official figures? Surely Women team and others are not making as much as first team squad?
 
he wont.

He will be solid for a few more seasons,
At best, and fade into obscurity.

Fade into obscurity.? I don't think so. He's only 22. He'll probably end up at Real Madrid in the future.

Utd should have tried to sign him.

Man Utd legend Paul Scholes can’t understand why the Red Devils didn’t attempt to sign Chelsea attacker Cole Palmer when they had the opportunity.

https://www.football365.com/news/man-utd-paul-scholes-cole-palmer-transfer#:~:text=Man Utd legend Paul Scholes,Premier League at the time.
 
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After watching quite a few chelsea games where I particularly paid attention to his involvements, he is pretty overrated. His off the ball workrate is pretty poor. While his teammates are putting in maximum effort to win the ball back, he just does light half assed jogs, which often allows the opposition to breeze past Chelseas midfield when attacking. He also seems to be a moments player, who is quite average in terms of his general play across the 90 minutes.

I realize this is harsh as he isn't necessarily a bad player, but the "best player in the premier league" and "future ballon d'or winner" comments are just insanity as he is not on that level.

Watching him again today against City. He has been awful. Once again misplacing numerous passes and offering zero pressing besides the whole half hearted jog to "look busy".

I even ventured into chelseas subreddit match thread and they are basically all in unanimous agreement that he has been crap and that this is his usual performance in any big games against good teams.
 
Watching him again today against City. He has been awful. Once again misplacing numerous passes and offering zero pressing besides the whole half hearted jog to "look busy".

I even ventured into chelseas subreddit match thread and they are basically all in unanimous agreement that he has been crap and that this is his usual performance in any big games against good teams.

He’s been out of sorts for weeks. He’s still putting up goals but his performances have very clearly dipped since before Christmas. I said this further up in this thread.
 
He’s been out of sorts for weeks. He’s still putting up goals but his performances have very clearly dipped since before Christmas. I said this further up in this thread.
Would a loan to United with an option to buy do him good?
 
Looks like he's been on a 4 day video game bender to be fair. Those bagged eyes :lol:
 
Looks like he's been on a 4 day video game bender to be fair. Those bagged eyes :lol:

Even without the bagged eyes that's what he looks like :lol: He looks like the guy at the LAN party (circa 2005) with the loudest burps and a diet consisting of nothing but the nastiest energy drinks and frozen pizza.
 
Going by his interviews, I doubt that's far off.... seems like he's a Vardy/Red Bull-esque anomaly in that so much about the lifestyle just isn't right, but they just work incredibly well for them.
 
Even without the bagged eyes that's what he looks like :lol: He looks like the guy at the LAN party (circa 2005) with the loudest burps and a diet consisting of nothing but the nastiest energy drinks and frozen pizza.
AsmonPalmer!
 
He did an ‘interview’ on Sky Sports, good grief, he’s a painful watch, so Cole why did you choose Yamal as the most skillful player……he’s just got it ain’t he…thanks for that insight Cole, what about Mainoo in 2nd…..he’s a baller in he…

Good player but my god he’s a bit dim.
 
Slightly worried about his professionalism if I’m honest.

I know he’s still very young and he may still take some straightening out, but if he did knuckle down more than what im hearing, we’d see more from him more often. I’d say he’s still the biggest talent in the country though.

And that attitude that can come across that people think could be detrimental,? It’s a strength. It will see him, Chelsea and his country good.
 
He’s been out of sorts for weeks. He’s still putting up goals but his performances have very clearly dipped since before Christmas. I said this further up in this thread.
You have to be good every single minute of every game the whole year now in this day and age, don't you forget. Generational talent one week, system player the next.

I am so glad I didn't have to read twitter analysis threads on how few goals Zidane creates on average or how Ronaldinho's lack of workrate is detrimental to his team.

Sorry, just a little rant. Cole Palmer is a superb footballer and even when he is off the way he handles the ball is the type of stuff that has made so many fall in love with this sport. I really wish we kept him
 
Slightly worried about his professionalism if I’m honest.

I know he’s still very young and he may still take some straightening out, but if he did knuckle down more than what im hearing, we’d see more from him more often. I’d say he’s still the biggest talent in the country though.

And that attitude that can come across that people think could be detrimental,? It’s a strength. It will see him, Chelsea and his country good.
Biggest talent in the country is a huge call! I can't agree with that.

What do you mean by being worried about his professionalism though? He's clearly an idiot but he doesn't seem unprofessional to me.
 
Hasn't he also been playing with a knock and injury.
 
It looks to me like our players often don't give him the ball even when he's in a good position. Wonder if there's issues in the dressing room, maybe he's got a wage bump or something and its rubbed others up the wrong way, weird one for sure.
 
He did an ‘interview’ on Sky Sports, good grief, he’s a painful watch, so Cole why did you choose Yamal as the most skillful player……he’s just got it ain’t he…thanks for that insight Cole, what about Mainoo in 2nd…..he’s a baller in he…

Good player but my god he’s a bit dim.
I listened to one interview of his, he did seem a bit thick. But he is a footballer, he doesn't need to be smart to have a great career.

He is Chelsea's main man and the people around him are a couple of tier below. He can't be expected to carry the whole team, hence a dip in form is so noticeable. If he was in Madrid or Liverpool people wouldn't notice him being out of form for a few months as others pick up the slack and he can play himself back into form.
 
He did an ‘interview’ on Sky Sports, good grief, he’s a painful watch, so Cole why did you choose Yamal as the most skillful player……he’s just got it ain’t he…thanks for that insight Cole, what about Mainoo in 2nd…..he’s a baller in he…

Good player but my god he’s a bit dim.

True but being dim didnt stop Wayne Rooney from having a fantastic career. It isnt a requirement to have a brain as a football player.
 
I think characterising footballers as dim is often unfounded. It used to be a cliché that footballers weren’t bright - I have come to believe that this was some kind of weird therapy for fans who could take solace in the fact that they wanted something to have over these very well paid young men who are mostly from working class backgrounds.

While their formal education will have been disrupted it doesn’t mean they don’t have intelligence. Rooney was an incredibly intelligent player on the pitch. While that doesn’t translate to scholarly insight, it does indicate an underlying sense of intelligence. Palmer is also a clever footballer.

We know very little about these players yet we’re very quick to label them.
 
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I listened to one interview of his, he did seem a bit thick. But he is a footballer, he doesn't need to be smart to have a great career.

He is Chelsea's main man and the people around him are a couple of tier below. He can't be expected to carry the whole team, hence a dip in form is so noticeable. If he was in Madrid or Liverpool people wouldn't notice him being out of form for a few months as others pick up the slack and he can play himself back into form.
Totally agree was just surprised at how dim he came across.
 
A player United can only dream of getting right now.

Superb player.

I really do not understand why people strive to look for something negative in everything.