Amazing stuff.
On the bolded, he's 99.99% there. We just need to see him at a carnival and then it's official
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Amazing stuff.
On the bolded, he's 99.99% there. We just need to see him at a carnival and then it's official
we are going to start a dialogue
Huh
"So who's your favorite Disney character, Cole?"
Chelsea get such a pass from the media. Barely interested in them. If a United or Arsenal player had gone down far off the boil their reputation would be in ruin already.
Remember when Carragher said he was better than Zola for Chelsea?
I may be twisting/misrepresenting his words, but from memory he said he was better than Salah too, or along those lines.
He went all out with praise for Palmer but don't think he's said a word since he went off the boil.
It’s not just Chelsea though, it’s why playing for United is just on another stratosphere of pressure compared to any other side.
'Best player in the Premier League', we were told. 'Pep is an idiot', we were told. 'Miles better than Saka', we were told.
Saka has been able to perform consistently over a number of years for club and country. Maybe people now realise that this is not so easy.
Classic ludicrous overrating of an English talent, as seen with Grealish, Foden and numerous others before.
Scored a tonne of penalties which gave him some very nice figures indeed. Although Lampard was always boosted by those too.
Scored a tonne of penalties which gave him some very nice figures indeed. Although Lampard was always boosted by those too.
He's still very young.
I mean he has 14 goals and 8 assists. If he did this last season it would be considered good. But he set the bar very high last season.
I warned against this though. 10 pages or so back I was saying people were going way over the top.
Anyway it's basically his 2nd full season as a pro. Teams are scheming specifically to stop him now and he's gotta learn to handle that. I think being moved back to RW would help him.
I warned against this though. 10 pages or so back I was saying people were going way over the top.
Anyway it's basically his 2nd full season as a pro. Teams are scheming specifically to stop him now and he's gotta learn to handle that. I think being moved back to RW would help him.
He turns 23 in a few days. That's not that young.
Guy has a lot of talent, there's no debate on that score. I just think people got a bit carried away, including Carragher.
As a Chelsea fan, do you think Maresca is an issue here?
I thought it was weird how he was supposedly simultaneously the best player in the Premier League but also nobody was making a strong argument for him to start for England ahead of Saka, Foden, Bellingham or Kane. Surely the best player in the Premier League you would be ripping up the fabric of your team and he would be first name on the team sheet. The thing is Palmer is still a very good player but just at a similar level to a few others and didn't deserve the crazy levels of hype by comparison.
It's not like Zola was Mr. Consistent for Chelsea to be fair. Magical player but could go through lean runs too.
01/02 - 3 goals, 4 assists in the league.
99/00 - 4 goals, 2 assists. He scored on the first day of the season then none until April.
Possibly. He plays a rigid system and rarely deviates from it regardless of the game state. Palmer still has relative freedom to move around so I'm Ieaning more towards Palmer just being in his own head about being manmarked every single game. Moving him to RW would naturally get him more space to operate with.
Not counting penalties, he also has 11 goals and 8 assists so far this season. For context, Bruno's best season of non-penalty output for us was 9 goals 11 assists.
Not sure downplaying Palmer is the take.
He is a quality player, it is Maresca who has nuked him. No one individually has looked great at Chelsea for a while.
A little freedom goes a long way with attacking players.
A little freedom goes a long way with attacking players.
I think though Carragher mentioned the first year of Palmer, where Zola's first year to 18 months was unbelievable, winning several trophies and won footballer of the year. Yeah he had lean periods after that, but the idea that Palmer leading Chelsea to 6th was a bigger impact than scoring great goals in a European final and a FA Cup semi-final was just wrong.
I also saw a table of something like number of big chances created that ended being missed and Palmer was top.
I do think he's been terribly out of form for more than 3 months now. I think it's fair enough to have a discussion about that imo.
It’s just what the English always do. They hype their players into the highest possible spheres and once they can’t do justice to those lofty expectations, they tear them apart. It’s weird.
I reckon he's got stuff going on in the background, got involved with the wrong women maybe? Like Mount but not as extreme. He looks a shadow of his former self.
I mean, I remember debating him in this thread and pointing out that he was not yet a regular starter for England, and this was put down to Southgate also being an idiot (along with Pep), and not the fact that England have other good players.
Pipe down lads, players go through a rough spell ffs. Ronaldos second full season was pretty abysmal for us and it took him until December to score. How did he turn out? People were writing him back then too.
Would Chelsea be crazy enought o sell him? We could offer them a very good CAM with the no.7 jersey!
But this never takes into consideration the quality of the chances.
Which is usually the stick people use to beat Bruno with. How can he be creating so many 'chances' when our shot quality is so low?
Subjectivity over what constitutes a chance basically makes this a meaningless stat
Would take him in a heart beat. Incredible player. Not overrated.
3 assists in the last 3 months in the PL. Would cost an absolute fortune. I would have normally agreed with you, but his form has fallen off a cliff. We can't afford to help out Chelsea's FFP problems to the tune of £100M+ and then risk seeing the same poor form continue.
No thanks.
Bit of a wild stab, that one.
The manager is to blame. A disciple of guardiola precision football which is restrictive and puts a leash on the more flair / off the cuff type of players i.e. grealish at City is one example.
Give Palmer the freedom he had before Maresca arrived and the numbers will go back up. Imho.
Give Palmer the freedom he had before Maresca arrived and the numbers will go back up. Imho.
Nah. Maresca gives him freedom. He just gone through a natural dip. Which started after Jackson his partner in crime was oit for a while. Normal service will resume soon enough.
When those chances aren’t being converted it’s the quality of the striker that matters most of all. There’s no reason at all for one player to be somehow consistently creating lower quality chances than anyone else on that list. But if Palmer and Bruno have less assists than the others there’s an excellent chance that the likes of Hojlund and Jackson have something to do with it.
It's not just a dip. Watch the latest Athletic FC video on Chelsea:
Palmers goals 95% of the time came from situations of chaos/transition. The more Maresca implemented his own style and moved away from Pocchetinos basketball tactics the less effective Palmer became. They show plenty of underlying numbers and even still screens of the goals he scored.
You want the "big chances created" stat for that.
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/big_chance_created
Unsurprisingly, Salah is top.
A bit surprisingly, Fernandes doesn't even crack top 10.
What happened with Mount?
He was being stalked, the stalker woman ended up in prison.