Cole Palmer | Chelsea Player

He continues to have this sort of production and steadily improves for another 2-3 seasons he’ll be worth what, £150m? More? In an era where CM’s and a player like Grealish go for £100m how much would a top attacking player in his mid 20’s and who is English be worth?

United aren’t shelling out that kind of cash.
Why are people coming at me for saying “maybe it will align in the future” - maybe it will? For all you know in 5 years United could be top of the tree with cash ready to splash out. For all you know they could be in the Championship and it looks ever more implausible.

Your very logical reasoning now doesn’t change what I said, which I only said as he’s apparently a United fan. I’m sure I’d have been bashed in 2005 for saying it’d be nice if RVP plays for United one day. Who knows…
 
Why are people coming at me for saying “maybe it will align in the future” - maybe it will? For all you know in 5 years United could be top of the tree with cash ready to splash out. For all you know they could be in the Championship and it looks ever more implausible.

Your very logical reasoning now doesn’t change what I said, which I only said as he’s apparently a United fan. I’m sure I’d have been bashed in 2005 for saying it’d be nice if RVP plays for United one day. Who knows…
With him in our team if we are going down to championship you wouldn't want him logically. So either way you won't get him if logically speaking.
 
With him in our team if we are going down to championship you wouldn't want him logically. So either way you won't get him if logically speaking.
Haha, I meant United could be in the Championship. Although there was a period last season where Chelsea looked like relegation material yet Palmer stuck out like a sore thumb.
 
Haha, I meant United could be in the Championship. Although there was a period last season where Chelsea looked like relegation material yet Palmer stuck out like a sore thumb.
That's the point. His talent made us move up to sixth at the final standing.
 
so did Grealish yet people accuse Pep of ruining him, Pep blamers move goal posts as they suits him yet some of the best and most creative players in last two decades played and thrived under his guidence.
I think Pep's Barca is the greatest team I've ever seen by some distance, but there is a difference between Pep now and Pep then. He has a lot more power at City than he had at Barca (or Bayern).

With City, he was basically given carte blanche to do what he wanted, acquire who he wanted and get rid of whoever he wanted. You can't just walk into clubs like Barca and Bayern and do that, it's a lot more complicated.

Moreover, Barca was his first job as an unproven senior coach, and Bayern was full of established, powerful stars.

Because of this greatly increased power at City, where he has (or had) the full and unequivocal backing of the owners, I do think that he is more prone now to trying to force things to be exactly as he wants them, and hence 'overcoaching' players.

Rather than creating a structure which players can choose to improvise around, it now seems like his players are not permitted to deviate at all from the system.

So I do accept the idea that Palmer may not be the exact same player he is now if Pep was coaching him and bringing him through.

Just my opinion though, others will likely disagree.
 
It's because we were playing with Palmer in the left half space and Gusto in the right. Gusto isn't enough of a threat in the final third so we weren't punishing teams for sending extra players at Palmer.

With Caicedo at right back and Enzo back in the team, we have much better balance in the final third. 3rd goal against Spurs was the perfect illustration of this - Palmer drew 5 defenders towards him, leaving Enzo and Sancho 2v1 at the far post in the box.

You think Caicedo remains at right back?
 
You think Caicedo remains at right back?
I think it will depend on the opposition - if we're playing against a team that wants to leave a LW high for opportunities on the break I think we'd approach it differently, for instance.

It really does solve a lot of our structural questions though - having this 3-box-3 with Lavia & Caicedo at the base and Enzo / Palmer up front fits the squad perfectly.
 
Best player in the world right now in my opinion alongside Vini.

In the right system, combination of him, Saka and Bellingham is going to be a handful. If they play Watkins instead of Kane, then all the ingredients are there.
This is crazy talk.
 
Palmer is not miles better than Saka or Bellingham, light years is far more accurate.

Watched RM and Chelsea on the weekend and tonight, Bellingham was better against Girona and Atalanta which are tougher teams than Spurs, it's not even the G/A although he scored but the overall impact he has on the midfield and attack. He switches between 6, 8, 9, 10 roles depending on the opportunity, and unlike most CAMs he presses, defends and assumes the leader role even if he isn't the captain. Early in the Girona game the home side had possession and momentum so Jude did a lot of defense, there was a moment he got frustrated at their lack of attacking nous and gesticulated at his team to play certain passes then scored. He viscerally hates losing and the current RM squad is full of shrinking violets in personality, other than Jude and Rüdiger they lack hardiness and leadership to force tight games their way. Palmer is very talented but Enzo, Sancho, even Cucurella (due to guilt) showed up more to turn the game around at 2-0 while Palmer was invisible in the 1st half until Spurs conceded a spotkick. It's also easier for clubs and players look like worldbeaters if they're focused on domestic league games on the weekend without CL.

It's silly to compare lightweight CAMs like Palmer, Wirtz, and Foden (Bluemoon's Jude thread is a salt mine akin to the Sancho thread here :lol:) to Jude when they aren't expected to impose themselves in midfield or do any defensive work. Even if Jude doesn't score or assist he puts in a shift in midfield to win 50-50 balls and possession, you can still see the Championship player in him at Madrid. Against Atalanta he chased an overhit ball to win a corner in the last 10 minutes despite being gassed and looked like death after. The issue is Jude can be as creative and technical as Palmer or Wirtz if he's deployed purely as a CAM or second striker but this season he's deployed as a B2B/CAM and runs himself into the ground while everyone calls him overrated because he gets fewer G/As despite his heavier workload and contribution. Everyone appreciates the creative guile of playmakers without any other responsibilties like Palmer or Foden but Jude does the playmaking, ballwinning, goalpoaching it's tiring to watch. Even in int'l friendlies he gives 150% (probably thinks he has to show Brexit gammons who prefer PL players his hardworking attitude or they'll think he's a RM diva) and has the mentality of old-school captains who leave everything on the pitch, the main problem is if his knees can hold up to his ambitions.
 
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The hype surrounding him has gotten silly. Everyone is in an absurd rush anoint him the best this and best that.
 
The hype surrounding him has gotten silly. Everyone is in an absurd rush anoint him the best this and best that.
It is also because of his personality. He is one of those people that are funny - partly intentionally, partly not - and because he appears to be very down to earth. Because of that and his productivity, people talk about him a lot.

Not sure people say his is best in the world however, more that he is on a great trajectory etc.
 
It is also because of his personality. He is one of those people that are funny - partly intentionally, partly not - and because he appears to be very down to earth. Because of that and his productivity, people talk about him a lot.

Not sure people say his is best in the world however, more that he is on a great trajectory etc.

His personality?? He’s got the personality of a wet towel! Comes across as thick as anything and devoid of any persona.
 
I think Pep's Barca is the greatest team I've ever seen by some distance, but there is a difference between Pep now and Pep then. He has a lot more power at City than he had at Barca (or Bayern).

With City, he was basically given carte blanche to do what he wanted, acquire who he wanted and get rid of whoever he wanted. You can't just walk into clubs like Barca and Bayern and do that, it's a lot more complicated.

Moreover, Barca was his first job as an unproven senior coach, and Bayern was full of established, powerful stars.

Because of this greatly increased power at City, where he has (or had) the full and unequivocal backing of the owners, I do think that he is more prone now to trying to force things to be exactly as he wants them, and hence 'overcoaching' players.

Rather than creating a structure which players can choose to improvise around, it now seems like his players are not permitted to deviate at all from the system.

So I do accept the idea that Palmer may not be the exact same player he is now if Pep was coaching him and bringing him through.

Just my opinion though, others will likely disagree.

yes he wasnt established name back then but he got a lot of power from day 1 at barca and his squad reshape proves that.

today all time greats were almost nobodies before he came to the picture, but okay if you want to ignore barca we can go to city as i cant comment on bayern as i didnt watched them.

de bruyne, bernardo, foden, rodri look/ed spectacular under him and plenty of others played their best football in their career under him even if it was a short spell for various reasons(cancelo, stones etc.).

he wins titles, players play best football in their careers under him, all players past and present want to play under him yet some fans believe he ruins them or their flair or whatever, its bs IMO
 
His personality?? He’s got the personality of a wet towel! Comes across as thick as anything and devoid of any persona.

Definitely as thick as a plank, but don't think he's completely devoid of a persona...actually think he plays on his own stupidity and comes across quite down to earth and funny because of it.

Loved his winding up of City players by listening in on a huddle last season too.
 
yes he wasnt established name back then but he got a lot of power from day 1 at barca and his squad reshape proves that.
No he didn't, and the squad reshape that summer had nothing to do with him
 
He reminds me of Rooney in terms of his personality. Clearly not thick but comes across as such and has football intelligence far beyond his years.
 
He reminds me of Rooney in terms of his personality. Clearly not thick but comes across as such and has football intelligence far beyond his years.
I mean, he could just actually be thick. Scholes, Merson and Le Tissier all had great football intelligence as well.
 
His personality?? He’s got the personality of a wet towel! Comes across as thick as anything and devoid of any persona.
It's really, really weird that people are so obsessed with his personality and how he comes across. Calling him a wet towel and thick, there's just no need for it is there? You don't know him. You haven't sat down with him and had a pint with him. If you want to care about personalities go read a celebrity magazine or some shite like that.

It's like when people said Andy Murray has no personality when he was literally winning Wimbledon. Of course he does. What do you want him to do? Do cartwheels and do Freddie Mercury style signing along with the crowd?

I just find it so, so odd, and to be honest it says more about you.

Rant over.
 
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Just a supremely talented footballer. Technical ability, composure and footballing intelligence in spades.

I feel like he'd be perfect for one of the #10's used in Amorim's system, but of course there is no chance of him coming here.
 
Zero chance City would have sold him to us. Although, annoys me he doesn't play for us.

We got Mount, Chelsea got Palmer.
I personally don't believe that. He was a rotation player and they never expected him to be that good.
If we were after him, we could of bought him for a higher fee than Chelsea, I'm sure of that, but I doubt we were interested in him. We are usually interested in very expensive flops, so he did not fill the bill.
 
Just a supremely talented footballer. Technical ability, composure and footballing intelligence in spades.

I feel like he'd be perfect for one of the #10's used in Amorim's system, but of course there is no chance of him coming here.

Spot on.
Genuinely the bargain of the decade. And how fortunate were Chelsea that he signed for to them.
 
I personally don't believe that. He was a rotation player and they never expected him to be that good.
If we were after him, we could of bought him for a higher fee than Chelsea, I'm sure of that, but I doubt we were interested in him. We are usually interested in very expensive flops, so he did not fill the bill.
When have we done a deal with City or Liverpool at all. We do deals with the London bigs boys but this guys we don't.
 
The hype surrounding him has gotten silly. Everyone is in an absurd rush anoint him the best this and best that.
When people start talking about 'best player in the world', you lose me. Ollie Holt even dared to invoke the name of Lionel Messi in a piece he did recently. You are right, the hype has absolutely gotten out of hand.

Best player in the PL right now, we can at least have that discussion. But I don't think he's quite that either, TBH.
 
When people start talking about 'best player in the world', you lose me. Ollie Holt even dared to invoke the name of Lionel Messi in a piece he did recently. You are right, the hype has absolutely gotten out of hand.

Best player in the PL right now, we can at least have that discussion. But I don't think he's quite that either, TBH.
I don’t think anyone, even us Chelsea fans who love him, genuinely thinks he’s the best in the world.
 
Just a supremely talented footballer. Technical ability, composure and footballing intelligence in spades.

I feel like he'd be perfect for one of the #10's used in Amorim's system, but of course there is no chance of him coming here.

I would say:

YES to Technical ability...
More than YES to composure
and more than Footballing Intelligence, I'll say absolute CONFIDENCE in himself
I'll add quite productive, incisive.

Yet he is even today, with all the praise involved, a VERY erratic player in his decision making, in his involvement, even extremely sellfish when he appeared at City and nowadays a lot more controlled in such aspect.

Yet back to the first two assets, he is so confident due to those, that he has the ability to create some great moment that can shift the course of a game.

The thing that helps him now a lot, it's that the team is clicking, that when he it's not involved for large moments, or when he does three consecutive bad decisions, the team nowadays keeps the ball a lot more, recover it faster, he has other young fellas with whom he can intearct therefore have more chances to produce and to also blew in order to let him be. More than a methodic, or not even to such extreme, most of times intelligent player; he is a very INSTINCTIVE one, and of course some of those improvisations, or mere dare to try a long strike, a dribble, due to his technical ability and confidence turn to end right.

Time will tell what role he'll embrace in the future, a little example: if he goes for a more 10 alike role. that Enzo goal, should have been a direct pass, not a rebound. If he plays some sort of wild card forward, with liberty to fvck it up in order to deliver, he should continue to try any shot the great majority of times and the team properly create an enviroment to be at his best and cover his ass when he fails.
BTW, I'm not saying he is dumb, I'm not saying he is Doku, Sterling, Denilson alike with extremely annoying sellfish tendencies, nope, but he is more in the Di Maria, I'll do my shyte and produce some extraodinary play with my ability, vision and technique yet you'll trully hate some of my plays form time to time; than in the more intelligent Iniesta, David Silva, Cesc, Messi camp.
 
I don’t think anyone, even us Chelsea fans who love him, genuinely thinks he’s the best in the world.
Someone in this very thread called him the best player in the world. Like, yesterday.
 
Someone in this very thread called him the best player in the world. Like, yesterday.
Seems more like a drive by shitpost, tbh. Surely nobody actually thinks it!
 
Someone in this very thread called him the best player in the world. Like, yesterday.
You could probably find some muppet in a thread calling Antony a Messi regen. Don't use outliers as the context for your argument. I have never seen any reasonable fan call him the best player in the world.
 
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His personality?? He’s got the personality of a wet towel! Comes across as thick as anything and devoid of any persona.
Are you serious??
He isn't media trained which is brilliant.. Can you really say you don't watch his interviews and have a big smile on your face, he is so down to earth and honest, that is so refreshing.
 
He reminds me of Rooney in terms of his personality. Clearly not thick but comes across as such and has football intelligence far beyond his years.
I wish Chelsea's main attacker had football intelligence, you can't learn that though (sadly)
 
When people start talking about 'best player in the world', you lose me. Ollie Holt even dared to invoke the name of Lionel Messi in a piece he did recently. You are right, the hype has absolutely gotten out of hand.

Best player in the PL right now, we can at least have that discussion. But I don't think he's quite that either, TBH.

To be honest the last point is almost a contradiction because if you can have a discussion about him being the best player in the PL then you can have one about him being the best in the world, he's neither though.
 
To be honest the last point is almost a contradiction because if you can have a discussion about him being the best player in the PL then you can have one about him being the best in the world, he's neither though.
I don't think so, actually. The Premier League is currently the best league and has been there or thereabouts for a long time now, but that doesn't necessarily mean it has the best individual players in terms of the absolute superstars. A player can easily be 'in the discussion' for the best player in the PL without being a genuine contender for BPITW.

Looking around at the moment though, there is a distinct lack of real superstars anywhere, TBH. It's an odd era.
 
Best player in the world right now in my opinion alongside Vini.

In the right system, combination of him, Saka and Bellingham is going to be a handful. If they play Watkins instead of Kane, then all the ingredients are there.
Seems like the 3 of them occupy 2 positions (when at their best)…unless Bellingham drops to CM - who goes to the right?
 
Still can't understand how City let him go. It's not like he wasn't playing well for them when he was there. It's has to go down as one the biggest blunders of all time.
 
Goals aside, he’s been pretty poor in the last few weeks. I’m happy he’s at least giving us a steady source of goals whilst not playing well, but he’s honestly been coasting through games since November. It’s gotten to the point where I wonder during the game if he playing through an injury.

He’s up to 14 goals and 6 assists which is great. Need more from him performance wise though.