Cold War against China?
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I'm not sure were at the point where the US President rejects Chinese ovatures of cooperation outright.
Surely no one takes any US response at face value.
Surely no one takes any US response at face value.
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Turns out arrested spy was a spy
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-spavor-kovrig-china-intelligence-background/
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-spavor-kovrig-china-intelligence-background/
Active sonar can do a body damage if the sub is close enough to a diver. There’s been evidence that it harms marine wildlife when used.
That is why there are ways to do things safely, including working an active sonar. Those guys have no clue about any form of regulations; no wonder why anything that goes to shit is multiplied in terms of actual damage wherever they are involved.
Aussies were flying the ‘diver in water’ flags & were broadcasting such on an international maritime channel.
Bulls in china shops.
Yea, sonar at close range is usually lethal to divers, it kills a load of dolphins and stuff every year. Absolutely no way a frigate wanders up and uses hull activated sonar and they simply “might be injured” - it would explode the lungs and destroy the brain. Maybe at 15 miles away they “might be injured” It’s generally avoided using around coasts etc
The injuries sustained were primarily blown ear drums, so the Chinese war ships didn't get real close apparently.
Just read that a sonar pulse can still carry a decibel level of 130 up to 200 miles away from the launch point. That's incredible & not the mannerly 'ba-wum' we hear in movies like The Hunt for Red October, etc.
Yep, and its amplified in/underwater as opposed to through the air. I think a 195db level out of water is 275ish underneath. Very good chance the Chinese were just carrying out exercises and didn't even know the Aussies were there (or were poorly trained and didn't realise it'd do damage from 10s of miles away) - Stupid boat captain as opposed to malicious asshole intent is my guess.
Poor reporting too.
Needs to tell her boss to stop wasting money on those PVs and wind turbines
Also needs to tell herself 3 days in the future
China is massively invested in renewables and a low carbon economy. More so than the UK for sure.
Is it time to give China a whirl at running the world?
I read somewhere years ago that they are the biggest investors and pushers for green energy in the world.
Better put the Japanese at the helm instead.
They couldn’t even build and drive battleships that worked correctly in their heyday.
Why not Ireland while we're at it?
Because I strongly feel this world clearly needs a strong touch of Japanese principles for self-improvement and a better life.
Omoiyari: Embed compassion in your life, work, and product design.
Ikigai: Live with purpose and passion.
Wabi-Sabi: Be grateful, see beauty in imperfection, and strive for excellence, not perfection.
Mottainai: Embrace essentialism, and live sustainably.
Shin-Gi-Tai: Keep a healthy body and a sound mind. They are the path to mastery.
Shu-Ha-Ri: Learn the basics. Imitate, then innovate.
Kaizen: Embrace change and strive for small and continuous improvements.
Mono No Aware: Detach from material things, outcomes, and old beliefs.
Omotenashi: Give without expecting a reward. The world gives to the givers.
Ho-Ren-So: Over-communicate. Report problems even if you don’t have an answer
One principle that is particularly relevant in this age of fighting against climate change is Mottainai as it means respecting the resources we have, not wasting them, and using them with a sense of gratitude to help make this world more sustainable.
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Those are some very good points. Japan obviously isn't a super power right now though.
Like.
After polluting 150 years since the industrial revolution, the west worries about the pollution that a growing china could cause....but without stopping its own pollution and polluting more per capita than china and investing less than china in renewables.
After shitting the skies for decades and starlink alone doubling the existing ones in the last 5 years and planning 10 times more, the US is worrying about the global footprint of china's space program
It's all about the next frontier of warfare.
this was an excellent watch. Its a great channel in general.
Thought I would leave this here. Maybe some posters with knowledge in this can debunk/add more into the discussion.
DDG87 (USS Mason, Destroyer) and DE232 (Japanese Destroyer Sendai) assisted the Israeli tanker Central Park today. (Resolved successfully; Houthi terrorists in US custody.) - 2 Chinese warships in the area, and closer than Sendai did not assist. Ballistic missiles were also fired at USS Mason. Chinese gunships did not render assistance.
PLAN is really a pain in the ass. Growing at a crazy rate too.
PLAN is really a pain in the ass. Growing at a crazy rate too.
Why chinese has to assist in a war that non of his allies is involved? Should china assist palestine and if they dont should we say that are a pain in the ass? They are keeping themselves neutral
Mariners are required to assist vessels in distress at sea. 1958 Geneva convention, 1982 UN convention. There's a whole bunch more treaties.
Chinas navy ignoring every maritime treaty there is, really is a pain in the ass.
Maybe China should intervene when the Palestinians fishing boats were attack by Israel? or only there you can remain neutral?
Perhaps you prefer it if a US Navy warship purposefully stands down and doesn't give a feck while a Chinese cargo ship is attacked by Somali pirates or the likes. Is that your point?
International laws and treaties are not something to disregard unless you're asking for others to simply give the middle finger if you (or your fellow countrymen) end up in a situation where you need others' help.
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Do you know why a Houthi ship attacked a usraelí tanker? If you do. I dont understand why you ask this. If you dont, look it up and comd again
And as far as everyone is concerned, Houthis are not recognized as anything but a bunch of marginals by most countries on Earth. Only pariahs like Iran, North Korea, Libya and Hezbollah support them. China doesn't really like what the Houthis do regardless.
You don't answer the question about the application of maritime laws and you defend whatever is indefensible with silly views, as always. No wonder why you're on the ignore list after plenty of BS you wrote in the Russian invation of Ukraine thread.
The Houthis, as despicable they might be, are the government of a country and they are looking for the death of all Jews, they consider that they are at war with Israel and they consider an Israel oil tanker a war objective.
China might want or not to be involved in a war, and they decided not to get involved. Specially when Israel already have its allies patrolling and helping them.Do not worry 2 destroyers are more than enough. Also, casually, these allies are confronted in many levels to the chinese
You are equating Somalies pirates for profit to a government war attack against another country, so please, keep me in ignore if you have to be so naïve
Now should China or US or any country in the world assist Palestine when Israel attacked shipping vessels attacking Israel army? Just playing the naivety game here
Is this a parody post?
Even if the countries were at war, Merchant ships (with no Israelis on board) moving between non belligerent ports and carrying civilian cargo are not military targets. Even under naval doctrine advocating economic warfare under WSS, this is not a legitimate target. It's piracy, plain and simple.
And you have to be particularly twisted to link the conflict in Israel/Gaza to a merchant ship with no Jews, going about its business with the expectation it does not get pirated. You've managed to make a post about China into something about Israel...
Mariners are required to assist vessels in distress at sea. This sentence covers all context. If a Palestinian owned/linked owned merchant vessel under a foreign flag was pirated by Israelis then yes, the Chinese, US, and Japan all have a duty to respond. There are thousands of Palestinian owned and linked merchant vessels all over the world. Israel doesn't pirate them.
The PLAN (Chinese Navy) are consistently and increasingly not adhering to maritime formalities, and this is a problem. This is another in a number of increasing incidents where their sailors are not playing ball, or playing safe.
On November 16, US war planes destroyed 116 fuel trucks in in oil-rich eastern Syria, the source of a solid portion of ISIL’s oil revenue. In a statement, the US Defense Department indicated that in addition to the tankers, airstrikes also hit a number of tactical units, fighting positions, storage depots, vehicles, and staging areas in Syria and Iraq as part of Operation Inherent Resolve. In subsequent operations, the number of tankers destroyed reached 238.
https://www.justsecurity.org/28064/targeting-tankers-law-war-part-1/
I am not disputing your claim that "The PLAN (Chinese Navy) are consistently and increasingly not adhering to maritime formalities" it might be completely true and if you put me another example I might wholeheartedly agree with you. Don't get me wrong, I do not have any sympathies towards China, and they are pushing the world as we know it into a dark direction
Also, not only they might not help but more than once the Chinese navy attacked Filipino fishing boats with water cannons when those were fishing in the disputed water between China and Philippine.
But accusing them to not assist an Israel tanker when the Yemen government are at war with Israel, I don't see what is not understood. Specially when I am pretty sure that those chines ships knew exactly that there were 2 destroyers that they were patrolling the area.
Why do you think the Chinese should get involved in a this conflict at any level?
Now tell me,
https://imemc.org/article/israeli-navy-attacks-fishing-boats-in-gaza-9/
Should the US, or China or anyone attack Israel and save the Palestinian boats in this instance?
They weren't Houthis according to the Pentagon...