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We are talking about a player that at the most played 62% of the possible game time in the Eredivisie in a season.

A bit odd that noone takes this fact into account.

Then there is also the discussion of he is even good enough as he has not shown much outside of the Eredivisie.

Just leave him there.
 
TheForgottenOne said:
We are talking about a player that at the most played 62% of the possible game time in the Eredivisie in a season.

A bit odd that noone takes this fact into account.

Then there is also the discussion of he is even good enough as he has not shown much outside of the Eredivisie.

Just leave him there.
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Stick with Rashford then?
We are most likely losing Ronaldo too.

Antony alone isn’t enough.
 
Rozay said:
I have confidence that he can become a genuine world class striker. A modern CF, and I think we have to get him while we can. He’s no natural winger at all. He’s been compared to Memphis a lot in this thread, the same PSV fans who have been pointing out that Gakpo doesn’t play CF can also tell you Memphis didn’t either. Fact is, Memphis was clearly not a natural winger, despite him playing on the left.
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This is a good point actually. Memphis never had that pace and acceleration to play on the wings outside of the Eredivisie.

I've only watched him a couple of times but just looking at him, he looks like a unit so definitely has the physical tools to be retrained up front.
 
2 man midfield said:
Maybe we are converting him to a striker then, we haven’t really been linked with any centre forwards yet we’re apparently after Gakpo and Anthony.
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Yeah, hopefully so. It's why it made no sense to me that we were seeing reports of Gakpo being an alternative to Antony. They play on opposite sides.
 
TheForgottenOne said:
We are talking about a player that at the most played 62% of the possible game time in the Eredivisie in a season.

A bit odd that noone takes this fact into account.

Then there is also the discussion of he is even good enough as he has not shown much outside of the Eredivisie.

Just leave him there.
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I'm concerned about that too when looking at his stats. Was it down to injuries or rotation?
 
redshaw said:
I'm concerned about that too when looking at his stats. Was it down to injuries or rotation?
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TheForgottenOne said:
We are talking about a player that at the most played 62% of the possible game time in the Eredivisie in a season.

A bit odd that noone takes this fact into account.

Then there is also the discussion of he is even good enough as he has not shown much outside of the Eredivisie.

Just leave him there.
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He missed 10 league games due to injuries last season. That's 28% of the missing game time...

And "he has not shown much outside of the Eredivisie": scored against Sociedad, scored against Monaco, scored against Benfica, assisted against Rangers... All arguably bigger teams than PSV. Scored twice in his 7 caps btw. I don't think he should be on the radar right now (especially not for that money), but he's actually quite decent against big teams.
 
We need to chill for the Gapko stuff. If he is coming, he is a backup for 2 positions. LW, CF or even 3 at a stretch (RW). He did play primarily as a LW though last year a position where we most likely plan to use Sancho for.

He isnt coming to be a world-beater from day 1. Antony is most likely the RW, Gapko / Sancho provide cover, Sancho is the LW and Gapko provides cover. Then we should expect Gapko to find little time at CF with Ronaldo most likely being the key player and Martial / Rashford alternating there too.

So in terms of depth i would say:

CF: Ronaldo, Martial, Rashford Gapko
LW: Sancho, Rashford, Gapko
RW: Antony, Gapko, Sancho Elanga,

That is a nice, well rounded front 3.

We could even assume one of Rashford, Ronaldo is a goner this year. I'd guess that would be Ronaldo who is anyway on his last year of contract. Of course he is the only player who excels at one position alone, but he is also the only poacher we have.
It's fair to assume 2 out of 3 from Rash, Martial, Ronaldo wont be here when next the campaign starts.
Now if he comes in and tears it up that's a different story but i seriously doubt it. he's 22 he'll need some time to adjust.
 
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As a PSV fan (sorry for bad English) I would be very very sad if Cody leaves us this summer. He is exceptional. I would pick him over Antony any day of the week.

The only reason why Antony is so incredibly expensive is the Ajax jersey. Antony is a good player, don't get me wrong, but when you're going to pay €100m for this lunatic, Ajax will piss their pants laughing. They'll buy back Ziyech for €25m, and they just get better. When a player plays for Ajax you're gonna pay double, like you did with Martinez. He's an okay defender, but not worth all this money. If Gakpo played for Ajax you'd pay €100m, that's how it works. If Antony played for PSV, you probably wouldn't even know him.

Ontopic: Cody is a decent lad. He's modest and hardworking. Since his breakthrough, he never played like a younster. Where a lot of young talents choke in front of the goal, Cody is calm and focussed and scoring goals since day one. He's no CF though. Cody's our star (unlike Madueke, who still has a lot to learn), and you're going to love him. You'd better buy him now, before he excells in the CL groupstages (please let us beat Rangers) and the WorldCup. After that you'll have to pay Ajax prices.

I like Man Utd a lot since I was a kid (my big hero played for United), but I prefer Cody in Eindhoven for another year. I want PSV in the CL with Cody as our Eintovenaar and I want Cody to be part of Ruud's machine and become Dutch champions again. After that I'd love to see him play for you. It'll make me proud.
 
Dorris said:
How’s he with his back to goal @MarcianoVink? Or in duels for a lost ball? Is he Rashford/Sancho lite and utterly pathetic or half decent?
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v Nistelrooij said:
As a PSV fan (sorry for bad English) I would be very very sad if Cody leaves us this summer. He is exceptional. I would pick him over Antony any day of the week.

The only reason why Antony is so incredibly expensive is the Ajax jersey. Antony is a good player, don't get me wrong, but when you're going to pay €100m for this lunatic, Ajax will piss their pants laughing. They'll buy back Ziyech for €25m, and they just get better. When a player plays for Ajax you're gonna pay double, like you did with Martinez. He's an okay defender, but not worth all this money. If Gakpo played for Ajax you'd pay €100m, that's how it works. If Antony played for PSV, you probably wouldn't even know him.

Ontopic: Cody is a decent lad. He's modest and hardworking. Since his breakthrough, he never played like a younster. Where a lot of young talents choke in front of the goal, Cody is calm and focussed and scoring goals since day one. He's no CF though. Cody's our star (unlike Madueke, who still has a lot to learn), and you're going to love him. You'd better buy him now, before he excells in the CL groupstages (please let us beat Rangers) and the WorldCup. After that you'll have to pay Ajax prices.

I like Man Utd a lot since I was a kid (my big hero played for United), but I prefer Cody in Eindhoven for another year. I want PSV in the CL with Cody as our Eintovenaar and I want Cody to be part of Ruud's machine and become Dutch champions again. After that I'd love to see him play for you. It'll make me proud.
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I’m also a PSV fan, and look at it exactly the way you do (by the way, the allmighty beard is also my hero and the reason i have been following United for many many years).

For Ajax players you pay double the price. As soon as any interrest in Ajax players occurs The Telegraaf reporter Mike Verweij (The telegraaf is an Amsterdam based newspaper, closely related to Ajax) mentions extreme high asking prices.

The entire Dutch football community then thinks the price must be a joke, but each end every time Ajax receives the jackpot (and i must give them credits for that; they know how to negotiate)

As in regard to Cody; he is PSV’s starplayer and rolemodel (modest, hard working, respectful). Do I think he will make a direct impact at United? Not yet. Do i think he has the potential to be world-class? Yes. Even more then Antony (who is also a good player, but as a person a little piece of diving shit)

It has not been mentioned that PSV offered Gakpo a contract renewal untill 2027. If he signs that (that could be possible if PSV beat Rangers), United can try again next year for double the money…..,
 
v Nistelrooij said:
As a PSV fan (sorry for bad English) I would be very very sad if Cody leaves us this summer. He is exceptional. I would pick him over Antony any day of the week.

The only reason why Antony is so incredibly expensive is the Ajax jersey. Antony is a good player, don't get me wrong, but when you're going to pay €100m for this lunatic, Ajax will piss their pants laughing. They'll buy back Ziyech for €25m, and they just get better. When a player plays for Ajax you're gonna pay double, like you did with Martinez. He's an okay defender, but not worth all this money. If Gakpo played for Ajax you'd pay €100m, that's how it works. If Antony played for PSV, you probably wouldn't even know him.

Ontopic: Cody is a decent lad. He's modest and hardworking. Since his breakthrough, he never played like a younster. Where a lot of young talents choke in front of the goal, Cody is calm and focussed and scoring goals since day one. He's no CF though. Cody's our star (unlike Madueke, who still has a lot to learn), and you're going to love him. You'd better buy him now, before he excells in the CL groupstages (please let us beat Rangers) and the WorldCup. After that you'll have to pay Ajax prices.

I like Man Utd a lot since I was a kid (my big hero played for United), but I prefer Cody in Eindhoven for another year. I want PSV in the CL with Cody as our Eintovenaar and I want Cody to be part of Ruud's machine and become Dutch champions again. After that I'd love to see him play for you. It'll make me proud.
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MarcianoVink said:
I’m also a PSV fan, and look at it exactly the way you do (by the way, the allmighty beard is also my hero and the reason i have been following United for many many years).

For Ajax players you pay double the price. As soon as any interrest in Ajax players occurs The Telegraaf reporter Mike Verweij (The telegraaf is an Amsterdam based newspaper, closely related to Ajax) mentions extreme high asking prices.

The entire Dutch football community then thinks the price must be a joke, but each end every time Ajax receives the jackpot (and i must give them credits for that; they know how to negotiate)

As in regard to Cody; he is PSV’s starplayer and rolemodel (modest, hard working, respectful). Do I think he will make a direct impact at United? Not yet. Do i think he has the potential to be world-class? Yes. Even more then Antony (who is also a good player, but as a person a little piece of diving shit)

It has not been mentioned that PSV offered Gakpo a contract renewal untill 2027. If he signs that (that could be possible if PSV beat Rangers), United can try again next year for double the money…..,
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Thanks for your posts, appreciate the insight of PSV fans on this. I know that the post mentioned that Cody isn't a CF, but would you mind elaborating on that? I would think that United are looking to sign him with an eye to develop him into a CF. How would you rate his finishing, physicality, movement, and hold up play?
 
DarkXaero said:
Thanks for your posts, appreciate the insight of PSV fans on this. I know that the post mentioned that Cody isn't a CF, but would you mind elaborating on that? I would think that United are looking to sign him with an eye to develop him into a CF. How would you rate his finishing, physicality, movement, and hold up play?
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That’s a difficult question. When looking at Cody’s quality’s, his shot power - and accuracy is absolutely his best weapon. Cody is a very good finisher. Especially his shot power makes him outstand towards other players, in my opinion even in regard to Premier league attackers. So as for his finishing capability’s, he (allready) has the quality to perform as a striker

As in positioning: Cody is used to play as a winger. He’s best when he has space in front of him. He is not extremely fast (not slow either), but his posture allows him to cover the ball, it is not easy to get him off the ball, when he’s on the run (much of Cody’s injury’s come from harsh tackles) My expectations on him being able to perform as a striker depends on team tactics.

As a CF operating mainly in the opponents box; i wouldn’t buy him for that role, it simply doesn’t suit him

As a CF operating in a team that plays fast (counter) attacks. I think he will be able to develop in a Van Persie style striker (long term)

The question for me however, is if Manchester United is the team where Cody gets the time to develop into that world-class striker? You need players with immediate inpact. And especially as a striker, cody can not deliver that.
 
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Make it happen, bring in Antony. Gakpo also to play centre forward I said to myself last season he has the attributes to do so. I think for all involved Ronaldo has to go. Doesn't suit the direction of the team and club. It's not a slight against him in any way end of his career, he has personal accolades to chase after.
 
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Honestly if you see Rashford play like this and Martials preseason then I have no idea why United would spend money on Gakpo. He is not better than any of them now, he does not have more potential (unlike Antony) and he's also not used to Hag ball (unlike Antony). Moreover PSV obviously have gotten some kind of Ajax fever too. They're not going to let him go cheaply after seeing United splashing crazy money on Martinez (and probably Antony). They are also going to ask crazy money (and they should).

If Ten Hag had completely given up on Rashford I could somehow see the logic in it. However given that Rashford was in the team today and also played really well, this just doesn't make sense to me at all.
 
Daslogisch said:
Honestly if you see Rashford play like this and Martials preseason then I have no idea why United would spend money on Gakpo. He is not better than any of them now, he does not have more potential (unlike Antony) and he's also not used to Hag ball (unlike Antony). Moreover PSV obviously have gotten some kind of Ajax fever too. They're not going to let him go cheaply after seeing United splashing crazy money on Martinez (and probably Antony). They are also going to ask crazy money (and they should).

If Ten Hag had completely given up on Rashford I could somehow see the logic in it. However given that Rashford was in the team today and also played really well, this just doesn't make sense to me at all.
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A forward player that can cover LW and ST position and you don’t see why it makes sense?

Elanga is not good enough cover
 
Daslogisch said:
Honestly if you see Rashford play like this and Martials preseason then I have no idea why United would spend money on Gakpo. He is not better than any of them now, he does not have more potential (unlike Antony) and he's also not used to Hag ball (unlike Antony). Moreover PSV obviously have gotten some kind of Ajax fever too. They're not going to let him go cheaply after seeing United splashing crazy money on Martinez (and probably Antony). They are also going to ask crazy money (and they should).

If Ten Hag had completely given up on Rashford I could somehow see the logic in it. However given that Rashford was in the team today and also played really well, this just doesn't make sense to me at all.
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He's better than Elanga and Garnacho though. You can see how light we are if Martial gets injured.
 
I hope we don't go for him unless we're getting him as a bench option because doesn't strike me a someone who starts in a title winning team.
 
Cassidy said:
A forward player that can cover LW and ST position and you don’t see why it makes sense?

Elanga is not good enough cover
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Martial and Rashford are forwards that can play left or central, Sancho is good right or left, Elanga is better on the left on tonight's evidence.

It's pretty clear we are skewed more towards the left and need balance on the right. That seems abundantly clear.

The only problem is Antony costs a fortune and is probably the harder deal, but in terms of the ideal fit he must be closer to what we need if we can only have one.
 
Abraxas said:
Martial and Rashford are forwards that can play left or central, Sancho is good right or left, Elanga is better on the left on tonight's evidence.

It's pretty clear we are skewed more towards the left and need balance on the right. That seems abundantly clear.

The only problem is Antony costs a fortune and is probably the harder deal, but in terms of the ideal fit he must be closer to what we need if we can only have one.
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Starters cannot cover anything
 
Cassidy said:
Starters cannot cover anything
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It's not about covering necessarily, why would it be? We are not spending 40 mill or whatever on this chap or the king's ransom on Antony because ETH sees them playing 15 games a year. He's said this many times, he wants lots of forward options to rotate and so we can play with intensity. Stands to reason you need coverage across all positions and on the left we are not badly off.
 
Cassidy said:
No they can not if they are starters
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Be much more logical to bring a real striker in than to replace Ronaldo. Say your starting Martial at 9 and Rashford at 11. In case it doesn't work, it'd make much more sense to then bring a real striker rather than another LW/ST like Rashford/Martial.

Moreover, if you also bring Antony then Sancho can also play LW. You'll have enough options on the left.

Gakpo really is a waste of money IMO. It'd be good for Dutch football if you pump 60m into it, but I think it's poorly spent. I just don't see what Gakpo offers that isn't on the table yet.
 
Daslogisch said:
Honestly if you see Rashford play like this and Martials preseason then I have no idea why United would spend money on Gakpo. He is not better than any of them now, he does not have more potential (unlike Antony) and he's also not used to Hag ball (unlike Antony). Moreover PSV obviously have gotten some kind of Ajax fever too. They're not going to let him go cheaply after seeing United splashing crazy money on Martinez (and probably Antony). They are also going to ask crazy money (and they should).

If Ten Hag had completely given up on Rashford I could somehow see the logic in it. However given that Rashford was in the team today and also played really well, this just doesn't make sense to me at all.
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Even City didn't rely on Sterling and Silva all season they accompanied the pair with Mahrez and even Grealish after a while. I'd consider Liverpool to do the same Jota, Mane and Salah. The league is demanding you cannot go into 38 games with domestic cups and European competition with two fundamental wide players. The demands for teams to press more and be more pro active with their running it doesn't work.

Consider that United also lost Greenwood to circumstances beyond anyone's comprehension the club should be making a minimum of two forward signings. ETH confirmed this tonight when speaking to Gary and co he highlighted the need for forward options.
 
We need quality back ups and Elanga isn’t ready and I don’t think he ever will for us.

The smart thing to do is to sell the likes of Elanga and bring in quality players who can provide genuine competitions.
 
Daslogisch said:
Honestly if you see Rashford play like this and Martials preseason then I have no idea why United would spend money on Gakpo. He is not better than any of them now, he does not have more potential (unlike Antony) and he's also not used to Hag ball (unlike Antony). Moreover PSV obviously have gotten some kind of Ajax fever too. They're not going to let him go cheaply after seeing United splashing crazy money on Martinez (and probably Antony). They are also going to ask crazy money (and they should).

If Ten Hag had completely given up on Rashford I could somehow see the logic in it. However given that Rashford was in the team today and also played really well, this just doesn't make sense to me at all.
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Rashford and Martial tend to have massive form / confidence drops, Elanga is not even remotely strong as Cody, Ronaldo is a huge riddle this season and Ten Hag could be securing himself just in case.

There could be also other side of the coin. Of course that money could be invested elsewhere. Frenkie or Caicedo, but what if there's budget for both ? We don't know that for sure, but like I wrote earlier, imo nothing wrong in manager securing his squad options in case of players also leaving on deadline day which could easily happen.

Also food for thought in Ajax camp - Ten Hag stripping PSV from their best player and one of the best in the league.
 
Abraxas said:
It's not about covering necessarily, why would it be? We are not spending 40 mill or whatever on this chap or the king's ransom on Antony because ETH sees them playing 15 games a year. He's said this many times, he wants lots of forward options to rotate and so we can play with intensity. Stands to reason you need coverage across all positions and on the left we are not badly off.
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He is an option for LW and ST. Given Martials injury record and Ronaldos lack of pressing what are you not getting?

Elanga isnt good enough and he probably wants a loan for Garnacho
 
Daslogisch said:
Be much more logical to bring a real striker in than to replace Ronaldo. Say your starting Martial at 9 and Rashford at 11. In case it doesn't work, it'd make much more sense to then bring a real striker rather than another LW/ST like Rashford/Martial.

Moreover, if you also bring Antony then Sancho can also play LW. You'll have enough options on the left.

Gakpo really is a waste of money IMO. It'd be good for Dutch football if you pump 60m into it, but I think it's poorly spent. I just don't see what Gakpo offers that isn't on the table yet.
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Given he prefers Rashford and Martial in the 9 to Ronaldo… maybe you are wrong.
 
Cassidy said:
He is an option for LW and ST. Given Martials injury record and Ronaldos lack of pressing what are you not getting?

Elanga isnt good enough and he probably wants a loan for Garnacho
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No, I get it. All I'm saying is the left is not badly off because I'm not even convinced Sancho has to be a right winger, the jury is out on what his best position is. Over his career he has been more productive on the left. But when he doesn't play on the right, which is every single game he cannot play through tiredness, injury or form, we have a graveyard of options to play there. That's why I think a right sided player gives us loads of flexibility.

Of course it would be good to have a guy that can play striker and other positions but getting 2 seems incredibly unlikely. We also currently have this bloke called Ronaldo who we might be forced to deal with and there's only one place he's playing when he does. If he stays he's going to be used even if not favoured.
 
Van Piorsing said:
Rashford and Martial tend to have massive form / confidence drops, Elanga is not even remotely strong as Cody, Ronaldo is a huge riddle this season and Ten Hag could be securing himself just in case.

There could be also other side of the coin. Of course that money could be invested elsewhere. Frenkie or Caicedo, but what if there's budget for both ? We don't know that for sure, but like I wrote earlier, imo nothing wrong in manager securing his squad options in case of players also leaving on deadline day which could easily happen.

Also food for thought in Ajax camp - Ten Hag stripping PSV from their best player and one of the best in the league.
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Oh that last part is absolutely true, bur thats not the debate here. I'm questioning whether this is the right move for United.

I don't think he is. I just dont see why United would bring another player that's basicly a copy of Rashford and Martial, but one that's really not better. It'd be much more logical to bring in a totally different type of player. That's why Antony makes more sense as he offers qualities that arent in the squad yet. After Ronaldo leaves United should focus on getting a #9 rather than another LW that might make a decent stiker as well.

I also think it'd be a stupid move from Gakpo's side. He won't play a lot. His WC chances would severly decrease. Especially if PSV qualify for CL he's much better off staying one more year, developing himself, also getting CL experience, increase his chances of a WC experience and then make a move being much better equipped.
 
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