The real talent was the likes of Henk Veldmate and Casimir Westerveld, who both run recruitment at first team and youth team. And these are the guys who identify the talent which makes life easier for a DoF. Without the likes of Henk Veldmate and Casimir Westerveld running recruitment, nothing will function.
Club Sale | It’s done!
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Happens to the best of us!
Will Al Thanos snap his fingers and make Bailly, Jones, McT, Maguire, Telles etc disappear?
Which is why Big Jim and his big loans won't be able to compete with an extremely cash-rich Qatar.
This is as good as done, in my opinion of course.
This is where the long tail engagement of the Glazers for projects with the Qataris in the gulf will help.
Agree.
Many people said the same about Todd Boehly then he found a UEFA ‘loophole’ which enabled him to spend nearly £600m in two windows by using 7 year contracts to amortise the costs, you realise the club conveniently hasn’t announced it’s new short sponsor and conveniently pulled the plug on Saudi being potential Sponsors, you use the word ‘legally’ and clearly you did not see Gary Neville interview with Uefa President, Cerefin who didn’t hide his hatred for the Liverpool and Current united owners, enfact he was so grateful to the German and more importantly PSG Qatari owners for not backing The Super League he promoted Khalifi to a new exec role on Uefa Board, alongside David Gill.
When Gary asked him about a level playing field with spend, he laughed and said the big clubs will always spend more than the others!
When Gary said “Are you worried about the strength of the PL and their spending power?”
He answered ; “The other leagues and teams must improve and get better!”
My point is it won’t be that difficult to give the club a ridiculous Qatari shirt sponsorship over 10 years for £1.5bn at £150m per year and whose going to contest it, United having this new investment is more credible to 99% of the world of football than city getting a fake £125m for shirt, sleeve, Etc.
Everything the Middle East owners do will be ‘legal’ because as City have proven and will continue to prove, by paying for the best lawyers everything is legal.
I also doubt that if next years accounts show such a huge loss, many of the bidders would not be increasing their bid for the club, having seen the accounts if they knew that they could not spend £200-250m this summer on new transfers.
The Debt is instantly wiped off and the ‘Ebitda’ position changes plus losing Ronaldo wages of £15m for 6 months would have helped and so would have the Glaziers not taking dividends in this year’s accounts. Everything is being pushed to make the sale attractive now, why in earth would you increase your bid from £4.5bn to £5.5bn after having your ‘best in class’ bankers looking through and number crunching accounts , if when you have all the numbers you then decide to buy the club, knowing you can not buy any new players !
Not Even Qatari would want a vanity purchase like that where no new players could be added to the squad but you bought the name and the brand just to say look at me ; “I’m the owner of Man United”
Not necessarily
Nah, they'll employ them on classic Qatari labour contracts to build the new stadium
Put it this way - if Jim and the gang buy us, the same people moaning about Qatar will be the same people moaning about Jim in two year's time.
"How can we compete with the oil clubs?!"
"This isn't a level playing field!"
Because Jim's group will be no better than Chelsea's owners in my opinion. And that thought scares me more than Qatar.
To me it all sounds like an above average but very dull (or possibly insane) 16 year old student's writing assignment.
Can you specify how long the answer should be? As in: explain briefly how X could benefit Y?
I never understood why some reports kept emphasising that Jassim bid is more preferred to the Glazers because it is debt free or that they liked their plans more. At the end of the day, they don’t care as long as they get the most money they can. Even if the club was bought on debt by Ineos, the Glazers would still get all the money.
Bit too early to unzip ain’t it?
A few pages ago I posted a detailed breakdown of the dollar to pound fiasco and was pretty confident in it.
According to latest reports I am wrong and it is indeed £6bln they are after which is insanely high.
But I think the 5.5bln gets it done which is remarkable.
According to latest reports I am wrong and it is indeed £6bln they are after which is insanely high.
But I think the 5.5bln gets it done which is remarkable.
If Ratcliffe partners with some of the other bidders, he will be able to offer even more money than Mr. Jassim.
Big Jim v Ass Jim in the ultimate Jimoff
He could get himself back by investment firms though. I’d be surprised if he just gave up. He would know he can’t compete with Qatar on his own.
It’s significant as it means they can get the cash sooner.
They claim it’s a capital investment , so it’s cash down pretty impressive.
Of course, that's why many of us are scared of Jim's and the loans.
It HAS to be a cash-rich entity so we can run ourselves again. We DO need a cash injection as well, something Jimbo won't be doing in my opinion.
Searched "Big vs Ass" and I'm none the wiser, but much more sleepy.
Cheers, thanks for the info, will look them up.
Very insightful from Kaveh
£6 billion is $7.342 billion or €6.81 billion which they want for 69.5% of shares meaning that if Qatar buy for this they would then need to pay another £660m to clear the Debt and then buy the 700,000 additional A shares at market cap of $20-23 which is another £1.1bn to 1.2bn for the Qatar owners to take Manchester United private again.
That’s nearly £7.7 to 7.8bn without the additional investment promised for stadium and infrastructure.
The compromise will be ; the deal is reported as £6.1bn sold, hover the Glaziers will only receive £5.45bn or $6.7bn as the debt will be paid with the rest of the money deposited for the sale, this making the club debt free. That’s just an educated guess but who knows with the greedy Glaziers.
Do we really need a new training ground?
Surely Carrington just needs updated as it hasn't had any investment in about 10 years.
As we are all in a believing mood, what if Big Jim and The Ineos Experience started posting all over Twitter, leaking stuff to specific journos and making wild claims about spending on this that and the other, would you feel more positive about his bid?
Read the last 877 pages mate, some people have shared their thoughts on the matter.
Agree once more this looks too good for the Greedy Glaziers to turn down now
Did anyone expect anything less?
We've known these leeches for the better part of 2 decades now, that's their modus operandi
I have accepted the fact that this will indeed be the case,already openly admitted I am a hypocrite for criticising City
How would them claiming that they're ready to invest billions more in capital top of the club valuation fee they'll pay for the club strengthening the INEOS bid?
What's the logic there?
A comprehensive plan to spend upwards of 10B+ to modernize all facets of the club somehow being helpful to a rival bid doesn't make any sense
I wonder when someone will call the glazers out on their bs about selling minority stake. Which glazer sibling is going to agree to forgo his share for them to sell a minority stake and use that money to pay off loans or invest in the stadium?
Funny that, it doesn't seem to be the case when measuring the different polls.
I think that means the same thing, this 'new' training ground will be at Carrington. The list also says build a new stadium and that is definitely not going to move anywhere else.
Fair enough. However, it's just where we're now at. Unfortunately, the landscape has changed.
Maybe they have signed some kind of unique confidentiality thing but surely IF there was any interest from Pagliuca or Ambani it would be well known
That’s the biggest worry. The other 4 siblings really need to pile on the pressure when this 2nd bid goes in because by the sounds of it Joel and Avram are still desperately clinging on.
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