Come on, you think they're going to send anyone to broker one of the biggest sports deals ever, front page news, the names of all the people involved printed in every financial medium available. I'm sure the Head of whatever was going to send "John" again but he probably fancied this one himself don't you think?
Club Sale | It’s done!
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Did you guys think the Qataris were going to pay with suitcases of cash?
Barrels of oil would be fun ;-)
Millions of barrells delivered to the Glazers estate in the US as payment.
Not convinced he real either. And his advisor looks like Des Lynam
The reason why Sheikh Jassim wasn’t there for those wondering.
They're in the gas business mostly, so that'd be a tad more difficult
I said fans who attend regularly will tend to be local. Which is self-evidently true, because there are greater practical and economic barriers to attending the further away you live. The fact that you know some non-locals who are in the happy position to be able to attend doesn't change that, because I never argued that all regular attendees were local.
The reality is that any breakdown of season-ticket holders will show it skews heavily based on geography, with the most recent study I could find from 2001 showing that 40% of our ticketholders were from within the Manchester postcode alone, let alone adjacent regions or the UK more broadly.
Where you define "local" in the context of an argument that began with Wumminator taking about fans from other countries is up to you, but the basic connection between living nearer to Old Trafford and having a greater ability to attend games regularly shouldn't even be an argument. I, living in Ireland, am unquestionably less likely to attend games regularly than a fan living in Manchester. Even if you nonetheless knew some people from Ireland who did attend regularly.
As for why there's a need to have a hierarchy of importance, I don't have that need at all. I only joined in this stupid conversation because other people derailed this thread with it. But my feelings don't change the fact that some fans are clearly more important from the club's POV than others. Just ask Manchester United's sales/marketing teams, who depend on segmenting fans based on value, why they feel the need to create these hierarchies. But it won't change the fact that those hierarchies exist.
And the reason I'm focusing on the financial aspect is simply because it's the most easily provable and inarguable demonstration that some fans do contribute more to the club than others and are of more worth from the club's POV. If you want to overlay arguments about the historical/cultural importance of having fans drawn from the the surrounding area, knock yourself out. Though as I already pointed out, fans at games contribute to the atmosphere in a way fans like me watching the TV at home don't. Which is another form of value.
I think it was more that the relationship with Qatar necessitates the top guy from BofA going. Sports teams are cool and all, but they're not front and center when it comes to the broader world of TMT.
This all started in part because myself and others just wanted to point out the contradiction that it is that everyone reacted negatively to even the mention of JPM and GS when it came to SJR's bid a few weeks ago (they will probably provide the financing, but the language was a bit more "these scum bankers should be nowhere near our club"). Then today pretty much every named member of the Qatar team showing up for the meetings is a banker, and everyone is tying themselves in knots to explain why it's necessary, prudent, wise, etc etc. The contrast reflects the bias.
Be a tad more difficult than suitcases of cash too.
Whatever it takes I hope it's done ASAP.
Personally, I'm not too fussed because as long as some planning is in place, United should be able to pull the trigger on transfers.
It'd be nice if it's done by the end of the international break but I doubt it.
Sir Jim arriving after the Quatar group does feel a bit 'thanks for coming, heres a lollipop'
I wonder if the other bidders will pull out.
feck sake, does that mean there’ll be loads of those little canisters littered around Old Trafford?
From what I understood this is how it works
a- the Glazers had placed the club for sale with an indicative price of around 6B
b- prospective buyers are given time to show interest in buying the club
c- these buyers are given access to the data room ie some sensitive information about the club financials which is deemed in detail enough for them to place an initial bid.
d- buyers place an initial bid with some details (ex financial resources that proof that they can afford that bid)
e- Raine are tasked to make these background checks and then they forward these bids to the Glazers (with their recommendations attached)
f- Based on such recommendations the Glazers invite prospective buyers to enter the next stage. These prospective buyers are given access to more financial data (we are in this stage)
g- strengthened by this information, prospective buyers are given time to place a second bid.
h- The Glazers might accept or reject the bids. If they deem the bid to be good enough then they will go in an exclusivity phase. That means that the Glazers and this buyer will work together so that the club is sold
Ah okay, I missed that chat but I also understand why a banker or bank would be involved in a meeting like this. I think there would have been a lot more vitriol should this have been an American consortium instead of the Qataris.
So Sir Jim brought the Sky cycling team with him? Nice day out for all involved.
The other two unnamed groups make me nervous...
The other two unnamed groups make me nervous...
Just hope they didn't bring Richard freeman along too.
I'm just waiting for Donald Trump or Elon Musk to be involved with one of the other parties...
Stealth isn't their strongest attribute
Yes. Point remains. Premier League is in a league of its own in regards to spending. Yet despite having 5-6 super teams that has not translated to dominance in actually winning CL on a consistent basis.
One is said to be Stephen pagliuca
At no point did I argue against it being easier for people in the Greater Manchester area to attend games. For clarification, I don't have an issue with your stance that people that live closer to OT are more likely to attend games. I have an issue with the notion that local fans are supposedly "more important". I then stated that a substantial number of people consistently at OT are not "locals", and many are regulars, which is a fact, so how is their level of "importance as a fan" quantified? Using the likelihood of game attendance to assert/argue local fans are more important doesn't track. It's a ridiculous notion and the fallacy I was referring to.
Wumminator's "i'm more important than you" babble/subsequent posts also mentioned scousers and cockneys. It seems as though anyone outside of Manchester is lower in the importance barometer as a fan.
Do you genuinely believe his posts were motivated or made with/from a Manchester United's sales/marking teams' segmentation and targeting perspective/POV? Even then - Manchester United isn't exactly shy about courting their global fanbase. Anecdotally, I've also seen non-local fans pump more money into United than I ever will, but alas
I get the shakes..
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Sir Jim going in person may win over a few people, but the Glazers will want him to bring an extra £1b with him…
Yeh I know, typical. But hey, I'm not surprised, some posters are let away with anything on here and the mods do nothing, but when I call one of them out for what they are, I get the warning
let away with anything?
I made some great points and you couldn’t think of what to say and called me a cnut? How is that in any way baffling?
Currently having Haddock and Chips (with curry sauce) at Macari’s. It is tea time in Manchester after all.
Yeah unless he was heading over with pockets stuffed full of cash they won't give a feck. They're rarely in the country anyway
I don’t know what Ratcliffe hopes to achieve, as the charm offensive is unlikely to win the Glazers over, they don’t give a toss about the future of United.
British press are hilarious. What kind of headline is that? How coming in person will help making the bid which is worse financially, better?
Great points according to who? You? The superior fan
Couldn't think of what to say? I made my point in my other posts before that, what the feck are you on about?
And loads of posters made exactly the same point after me, including a mod, so your talking out of your arse as usual. To be honest if your the kind of fan that's at games regularly then I'm glad I don't go anymore.
It's not the British Press, it's one publication which Ratcliffe has in his pocket. He is clearly giving the Telegraph briefings in exchange for favourable coverage.
The same can be said for the Daily Mail and the Qataris.
Dont you talk to him like that, if it wasnt for superior fans like him the Glazers might've given up years ago and we would've ended up with someone like Mike Ashley!
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