It's evident whose really buying the club and they are the same guys who had been dominating the French league while INEOS were busy adding 'talent' like Barkley, fat Schmeichel and Ramsay. Regarding PSG I can highlight many football mistakes that they had done. However its also true that PSG currently have the fifth-highest revenue in the footballing world with an annual revenue of €654m according to Deloitte, and are the world's seventh-most valuable football club, worth $3.2bn according to Forbes. That was all thanks to Qatar. What had INEOS achieved with Nice and Lausanne?
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It's evident whose really buying the club and they are the same guys who had been dominating the French league while INEOS were busy adding 'talent' like Barkley, fat Schmeichel and Ramsay. Regarding PSG I can highlight many football mistakes that they had done. However its also true that PSG currently have the fifth-highest revenue in the footballing world with an annual revenue of €654m according to Deloitte, and are the world's seventh-most valuable football club, worth $3.2bn according to Forbes. That was all thanks to Qatar. What had INEOS achieved with Nice and Lausanne?
Ah, so you’d prefer owners that pay has been footballers over 500 k /week and shit on ffp, because building a club properly sounds shit, and big names, even if old are good?
If Qatar run us like PSG, with players like Messi and Ramos on those contracts, we’ll be fecking miles off. We saw that with Ronaldo, it won’t work here.
Are you still on the fence, trying to decide whose bid you support?
Woah cool down a bit mate
Richard Arnold is someone who pleased with fans not to upset the Glazers, he’s also someone who has earned huge sums of money assisting with the decline of the club so I don’t think many people other the Glazers will see him as their own.
Murtough and Arnold do have big question marks about them, they haven’t achieved or been part of any consistent success so if someone wants to replace them then that’s fair enough. Whether theyd bring in better people or not we have no idea.
I still have no more information than previously, want to hear concrete details before I claim one to be the best.
As I’ve stated all along mind, my default is that I’m completely against state ownership in football, it’s brought the game into massive disrepute.
One thing everyone @devilish included, should at least be extremely honest about, is that if either INEOS or Qatar, run us the way they have run their French clubs so far, we’d be absolutely miles away from silverware. PSG’s overspending on washed up talent would see us with Ronaldo-issues x10, we’d be eaten up by proper run clubs.
It’s why I don’t believe for a second either owner would United like for like, it’s just a completely different beast. They also wouldn’t need to cheat revenues here to beat FFP, they wouldn’t need to buy super super stars to attract interest in the club etc. They could spend responsibly and still be the biggest spender in the league with the biggest revenues.
Qatar are winning the PR battle so far.
SJR/INEOS haven't really said anything significantly positive in comparison.
SJR/INEOS haven't really said anything significantly positive in comparison.
Under Qatar PSG
- they won 8 of their 10 French titles
- they won 9 of their 14 Coupe De France
- they won 6 of their 9 Coupe de league
- they won 9 of their 11 Trophies de Champions
PSG currently have the fifth-highest revenue in the footballing world with an annual revenue of €654m according to Deloitte, and are the world's seventh-most valuable football club, worth $3.2bn according to Forbes.
Can you please compare those achievements with those brought in by NICE or relegated Lausanne? Cause INEOS concept of building clubs 'properly' has lead to
a- Lausanne being relegated multiple times
b- NICE constantly underachieving and ending up trophyless despite being the 4th highest spenders in the league
c-INEOS allowing Brother Bobby the luxury to play football manager with Lausanne only to give him a promotion after they got relegated
d- Jobs being given to racists and people who had been investigated of Doping
e- Giving Ramsay a salary which is higher to that of Gavi and Osihmen
Feel like Qataris will turn us to Galactico 3.0, ie it wont work
This biggest factor here is EtH. If the new owners are keeping him, which they will, they will want to know how he feels.
If he has a good relationship with Arnold and Murtough, then they will stay. And, as we're on an upward trajectory, and these two are relatively new to their roles, we shouldn't be trigger happy in getting rid of them.
Speaking of washed up players this year PSG had brought in Vitinha (22), Mendes (20), Ruiz (26), Soler (25), Sanchez (24), Mukiele (24) and Ekitike (20). Nice brought in Barkley (28), Schmeichel (35), Ramsey (31), Laborde (28), Diop (22), Viti (20), Beka-Beka (21), Ndayishimiye (24), Ilie (19), Moffi (23). They also loaned the likes of Pepe (27) and Bryan (28)
PSG highest paid player is Mbappe who scored 41 goals and 8 assists in 44 games. He's followed by 'washed up' Messi who scored 26 goals and had 20 assists in 41 games. In comparision NICE highest paid player is Ramsay who scored 1 goal and had 2 assists in 25 appearances
Wow! Ratcliffe can't run Nice but he will somehow run Manchester United perfectly, don't you know? His local lad-ness will make it so! The fact that some people believe that is truly laughable.
Thats what im scared about, if they will belittle ten hags opinions
He took over when they’d finished 8th and 7th the two previous seasons, they look to have a great chance of finishing 5th again for the 3rd time in 4 seasons.
“Can’t run Nice”?
Being slightly ott there?
how much have they spunked and fecked over FFP to win a lot of stuff in France? Seems like a monumental waste of money just to win some French titles. Lyon were doing it for about a 10th of the cost pre PsG.
And they finished 3rd and 4th before that. It has nothing to do with his ownership, just the caliber of the club, which is the same as before. Finishing in the same 5th place for years isn't exactly what one would call progress. And neither is the choice of players.
That's without mentioning his other team. Clueless.
I'd take him before any American owners, mind you. At least not the ones that are getting name dropped.
First of all, winning the CL is tough. Saf with all his pomp won it only 2 times in his entire career while City has yet to win it under the Abu Dhabi. These are properly run/successful sides.
I'd rather have an owner who invest in the club rather then one who doesn't. I doubt that Nice fans who consider winning the French league as a monumental waste of money.
It's not like they can win a PL while playing in France... And the CL is a difficult one to win as we can see with City. I think it's fair to say that both PSG and Nice are far from being ran amazingly well, we can only hope that if we end up with INEOS or Qatar, they have learnt from their mistakes.
Which position are they currently in? How has ineos faired with Lausanne?
Have a day off lads None of this matters until we know exactly what is going to happen.
None of this matters until we know exactly what is going to happen.The point is, they’ve outspent the league by a quite frankly monumental amount in order to dominate it, Lyon dominated pre PSG for a fraction of the cost.
Spending so much just to dominate France isn’t proof of a well run club, quite the opposite in fact. Check out how much Lyon won pre-PsG, it’s was full domination and their spend during that period was tiny.
So it’s hard to look at PSG and see success, I just see ridiculous overspending and fecking over of FFP just to do what Lyon managed with smart ownership.
Qatar can’t come to United and outspend everyone x10, not even close and therein lies the problem, because then you need much more. That ownership model worked in France, at the time they took over, just as it did for City, it clearly involved competing sticking it to ffp, something even Newcastle appear to realise will no longer be swept under the rug.
Nothing about the PsG project so far has been impressive, not when you see what Lyon managed prior to them at a fraction of the cost.
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sure they do. That the list City currently top?
They also turned psg into the 7th most expensive club according to Forbes. Regarding ffp I think It will act as a constraint for small clubs like city and Newcastle but it will free us (who has a huge fan base, brand and stadium). That as long as heavy investment is done on the infrastructure while concurrently keeping us debt free. Qatar can also engage in clever accounting like PSG suddenly taking highly salaried Maguire and Sancho off our hands
I am not disagreeing but it's a bit funny when you say "Nothing about the PsG project so far has been impressive" but at the same time trying to present "they look to have a great chance of finishing 5th again for the 3rd time in 4 seasons" as some kind of achievement for Nice and INEOS, even though "3rd time in 4 seasons" is obviously wrong. They took a team that finished 7th, then under INEOS they finished 6th, 9th, 5th and are currently 7th (replacing managers every year season). Nothing about their running of Nice is impressive to me whatsoever.
I wonder what the reaction is going to be like, if the club is staying on Glazer`s hands.
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I worry about some of them.
Quite obsessive about things.
Nice are about where Nice should be historically I think when I looked it up their last trophy was 1994 or something, I think like perhaps we would be their fans were expecting something akin to PSG where the new billionaire owners come in and flash the cash and anything other than that would be frowned upon.
Football fans think trophies and success are won in transfer windows and they kind of are but if you want a more sustainable route to success you have to build structures within the football club that allow you to do that, FSG took until Jurgen Klopp to do anything of note at Liverpool which was about what 4 or 5 years after they took over, fans of a club the size of Nice should have a bit more patience Rome wasn't built in a day.
That being said that press release about wanting to restructure the club before even having a meeting as to what the current structure and plans are is a bit concerning to me, but then my main concern is that the new owner does a Boehly and gets rid of the manager straight away anyway regardless of who it is.
Wrong on so many points:
2019-20: 5th.
2020-21: 9th
2021-22: 5th
Currently 7th with a game in hand and are the second form team in France, so yeah a great chance of 5th.
And no, I didn’t present it as an achievement, I presented it as not being proof “INEOS can’t run Nice”. As with everything here, it’s OTT nonsense.
The Ineos Nice project is still relatively new, and they’ve done nothing brilliant and nothing poor.
The did however employ a highly rated young DoF in October, in Brailsford first full season, which I think shows they (unlike Ed Woodward who took 8 years to do similar) are at least making the right moves?
What is wrong about any of that which I am
saying here when posters are making ridiculous claims that INEOS are some incompetent numpties with their running of Nice?
As I said previously, if Ed Woodward had acted as quickly as Brailsford and employed a top young rated sports director in his first season, we’d probably have been saved years of shit management and strategy.
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Before Qatar got to PSG. They had won the French league a whopping 2 times (less than Nice)
In a league like the French league where finances are pretty balanced it’s not that hard to make money give you a boosting hand.
All these hypotheticals of running a football club is a bunch of bs. Get a good manager and back him.. the rest sorts out itself.
Okay, I take it back. For whatever reason they are placed 6th on Transfermarkt (Equal points with 5th but that's the covid season which was cut short, I guess that's why there is some glitch).
Since you obviously follow Nice more than I do, why do they keep sacking their managers every season? Is there another reason apart from not meeting the expectations, which would mean they aim to finish higher in the table (CL spots I guess?) but are consistently failing to do so?
Vieira was manager when they took over right? And he was pretty average there, they gave him 1.5 seasons after the takeover but fired him after 5 straight loses in the season which was the worst of their ownership (finished 9th).
At that point the old sports director was still calling the shots, he was the guy in the job when they took over.
But all in all, it appears to do with the change of sporting directors. The old guy picked Vieira, then they had an interim, the old guy then picked Galtier too, before Brailsford came in to “get a grip on things”.
Only in December 2021 was Brailsford employed as sports director for INEOS group, and only in October 2022 did INEOS/Brailsford get to pick and employ their own sporting director for the club. I’m guessing they’d identified and been working on get the Florent in for a while.
I’m much more interested to see how next season pans out for Nice now these promising moves have been made. I expect Florent to do a much better job than the old guys at employing managers and at identifying a transfer strategy for the club.
I’ll state again here, nothing I’m saying is trying to make out that INEOS have made some great achievements ant Nice, they haven’t. I’m simply refuting over the top nonsense of trying to make out their running of Nice is akin to Everton’s ownership or Clive Woodward at Soutampton. It’s nonsense, they’ve done “ok” and seems to be making positive moves, right?
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Bad owner and board.How the feck did they manage two relegations in the Swiss league?
The article below sheds light on some of the dumb moves made by Ratcliffe via Brailsford at Nice. Both Galtier and Favre have been reported to be very disappointed with how Brailsford has overseen recruitment. And one of the dumbest things Brailsford/Ratcliffe did last summer was to hire Iain Moody to oversee the transfer window and he signed players that were incompatible with the positional play principles of Favre who was said to be extremely disappointed with the players that were signed. (And that's without going into Moody being a racist.)
That then created a poor atmosphere in the dressing room due to Favre's frustrations before he was eventually sacked. The new DoF from Lens looks a promising move but his arrival came a little too late for Favre. But it's understandable why the Nice faithful have been critical of the way the club has been run after Ratcliffe made claims about challenging PSG when he first took over. But from reading the article below, it's clear to deduce that Ratcliffe and Brailsford know very little as far as running the structural side of a football club and it would be in their best interests to empower the DoF to make the staffing and structural decisions
The money INEOS has should mean they challenge for champions league places. And if @devilish is correct about Ratcliffe paying the likes of Ramsey 175k a week, then that basically demonstrates that things have been going wrong which are highlighted in the piece below.
Guardian: "Ratcliffe said he wanted to challenge PSG when he bought Nice in 2019. Despite good intentions, he hasn’t even come close"
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/20/manchester-united-fans-nice-jim-ratcliffe-psg
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Anyone who is making plans to overhaul all areas of the club without first assessing those areas is an absolute fecking eejit. The “best in class” nonsense just strikes me as this being intended for fan PR - which is going to backfire because once again - anyone who is making plans to overhaul all areas of the club without first assessing those areas is an absolute fecking eejit and weirdly enough fans don’t want eejits in charge. If they were buying the club 12 months ago this would have been a great PR piece - now it just terrifies me into thinking they’re going to piss off ETH.
Arnold has made it clear he has nothing to do with what happens on the pitch, off the pitch the club definitively isn’t on an upward trajectory. Losing millions a week, wage bill out of control and billions of investment required so I think he will have big fight for his job.
I don’t think it would be trigger happy getting rid of Murtough. You can’t tie his future to ETH as managers come and go. He has to be given a prolonged period of time with increased support/resources or got rid of, worst outcome is delaying and then binning him off fairly quickly.
Some of the prospective buyers may well have done some research and assessment of those in senior positions and made a decision one way or another. In that scenario whatever they have decided is fair enough.
It wouldn't surprise me -- whoever is in-charge needs to take control of his/her boss' £5billion investment now.
They could also lump ETH into the 'old regime's reputation -- even though it's technically new with Arnold/Murtough. And not allow the old regime to manage the new £5billion investment.
Human nature really.
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