Castles is up there with Delaney as one of the worst journos around. Dunc used to get Jose related news right because they were besties but apart from that, he's clueless.
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We are screwed if anyone buying the club will be making big changes. Just look at Chelsea.
Qatar has already statement they will leave the status quo as it is.. and that’s the smartest thing to do. You don’t temper with things that are on an upward trajectory you just need to provide the tools to help make people’s jobs easier.
David Gill helped the Glazers make their bid?
I'm specifically saying that if these changes are on the technical/football side of the club it's sheer arrogance.
I fully expect any new owner to install their own people on the executive team etc but stating you've got your own ideas about what you want to do on the football side before you've had an opportunity to assess what's currently in place? Based on owning FC Nice for a few years?
Huge red flag.
I am sure we are all in agreement that we are on the right upward trajectory. When you hire someone like Brailsford, we will feel the need to come in and shake up the tree. Otherwise, his boss will be wondering what he is doing. There will be the procedural 100-day review I assume then he will think he can Moneyball the org structure when that usually only works when the organisation is doing relatively well and needs some tweaking.
We have been undergoing a re-structuring/modernisation since Arnold & Murtough came in. The results beyond the playing field will not be obvious for a while. Though I was impressed with the efficiency of the two loanees over the Winter transfer window. The results of the data science teams etc are less obvious to us fans.
But all that will all come to zero just because the new guy comes in; has his own philosophy and potentially tearing it all up. I have been in work environments where long-term plans have barely kicked in and a new CEO comes in and wants to implement his own ideas -- just to show that he is the new boss. Pissed away lots of time & financial resources.
And as I mentioned before, the two guys mentioned above are ETH's hiring managers.
They will support him as much as possible since their careers are dependent on his success, in view of the transitional period we are in.
Remove them and ETH will lose his allies within the new structure. I bet other than a more modernised structure and financial resources, ETH has to be pretty satisfied with the way things are going.
He may, at some point rather want to work in a footballing club rather than some experimental, new age organisation.
Great. We can look forward to another 20 years of Woodward 2.0 then. A club led by a non-footballing guy, one who thinks he is the smartest guy in the room.
To clarify you believe the Qataris are going to come in, invest the best part of 7 or 8 billion (when you include capital investment in the stadium and training facilities) and be completely hands off? Presumably like how they have been with PSG who are currently on their 3rd sporting director in 4 years.
Wasn't he the one who initially fecked up Nice?
Same. YOu know the politics that will arise. New guy needs to show that he is doing something to his boss. The more radical the changes the more it shows he is ''hard at work''. His imprint.
All these ''best in class' or 'best of breed'' slogans are just it. Slogans.
One of my ex-employers, one of the largest tech companies in the world loves using that phrase. Nice slogan but technically it was far from the truth.
Very corporate, consultant talk.
Some here would be happy with that (relegation) as long as the Qataris don't buy United. They may be on to something.
Hiring new executives to replace guys on the board who have been employed by the Glazers somewhat friends and family is normal
Coming in hiring a new DoF and CEO who have selected your current manager and deal with the day to day running’s of the football club in line with the manager is just arrogant and idiotic.
Yes they have hired and fired DoF in PSG. Do you think it’s the Qatarians who are picking Leonardo & Letang?
Talk about pretending to know what your taking about.
My point is that we don't yet know what any potential buyer will do but taking some empty claim that the Qatari's will leave the status quo as reliable is delusional and not at all in line with how PSG have been run.Hiring new executives to replace guys on the board who have been employed by the Glazers somewhat friends and family is normal
Coming in hiring a new DoF and CEO who have selected your current manager and deal with the day to day running’s of the football club in line with the manager is just arrogant and idiotic.
Yes they have hired and fired DoF in PSG. Do you think it’s the Qatarians who are picking Leonardo & Letang?
Talk about pretending to know what your taking about.
No you said something silly and now your back tracking.
They said they would keep operations the same and there’s nothing to say they wouldn’t. You pointed out lame rumours about how they operate in PSG without even knowing who they hired and fired as Directors. 1 former player. 1 French guy and now a fan favourite super director. After 11 years of ownership.
So with that in mind you are telling me I am delusional and should expect them to come here and hire who? Park Ji Sung and then sack him for Micheal Edwards and then rehire Ralf Rangnick?
I don’t think that was the narrative you was trying to sell was you?
I haven't backtracked on anything. They haven't said anything of the sort that they will keep operations the same, I merely noted that PSG have had 3 sporting directors in 4 years (Henrique came in in 2017 and was in place until 2019, which means he was in charge within the last 4 years, at which point Leonardo came back to take over that role again having had it for the first 2 years of QSI's ownership to 2013 and then he was later replaced by Luis Campos) which is not exactly a stable set of affairs.
There's also no indications in Castles' report, which are also just "lame rumours" at this point that there would definitely be drastic changes at United but merely that they've been in touch with people they consider "best in class" about potential changes if they takeover, which a club like United should always be considering to improve things where seen as necessary anyways. Any potential new owners will want to put some imprint on the club but if they come in and determine that people in place are good, which they surely would with Ten Hag and may well do with other key personnel, then they will stay in place regardless of the owners
Bro think about what we are both stating here. I said they have said they will keep operations running as normal. You pointed out PSGs change in directors Leonardo who was there before they arrived. Do you honestly think the shifting in directors is the same well thought out process that has seen them buy your Thiago Silva’s, Neymars and Mbappe’s of this world. These decisions would be made by the people running the day to day of the club.
The influence you should be scared of is them poking their noses in and declaring we should be signing Messi for shirt sales.
What I was pointing out was that they plan to keep the football people continuing to do their current roles. Which is a good thing. We are a year in and I’m sure a lot of planning has gone into making us a better team for the next few years. We don’t need new ideas into that.
However if you are scared the owner is going to go Ed Woodward on us. Then yes so would I. But that Is not what you said. You for some reason thinking they are hiring and firing directors they probably know little about. They probably didn’t even know Leonardo won a World Cup.
Looking at how Ineos has consistently failed in their other football ventures, just make Qatar and their considerably deeper pockets, a better alternatives.
But there are people here who think they are morally superior to everyone else, that will prefer a relegation over being owned by Qatar. Come on, this is business not a charity or a convent!
But there are people here who think they are morally superior to everyone else, that will prefer a relegation over being owned by Qatar. Come on, this is business not a charity or a convent!
They've not said anything of the sort about keeping operations the same, I'm not sure where you've got that from. The statement released when they announced the bid said that the aim was to return United to it's former glories on and off the pitch, which is good but doesn't state how, and that more details would be given when appropriate which hasn't yet happened.
Also they did appoint Leonardo in 2011 as one of their first moves (he came in weeks after they bought 70% of the club) but that's besides the point. Plus the idea that the Qatari's who were building up to hosting the World Cup were not the ones driving the decisions to bring in the Galactico's to have them as faces of the tournament but that Antero Henrique was the one really pushing for Neymar doesn't seem very likely but that is also besides the point.
Ineos owned Nice are 7th and just 24 points away from Qatari owned PSG. The gap is as big as that between Arsenal and Fulham
But ... but.... imagine if INEOS had not come in? Where would they be now? 4th division of the French league?
First, Ratcliffe hires guys who make racist remarks on email (of a Malaysian Chinese owner.)
And now he is proposing that one of his key guys, the INEOS sporting director -- whose previous team (Team Sky/INEOS) was tainted/team doctor was convicted of PEDs distribution --- wants to overhaul the entire United structure? Implementation of the Brailsford science of marginal enhanced gains?
Or was the team under such weak management led by the Mr Marginal Gains that he was unaware of such crimes being committed?
Ratcliffe is a man all for redemption or is he like a kid, willing to close his eyes/ears and pretend it's all fine?
And now he is proposing that one of his key guys, the INEOS sporting director -- whose previous team (Team Sky/INEOS) was tainted/team doctor was convicted of PEDs distribution --- wants to overhaul the entire United structure? Implementation of the Brailsford science of marginal enhanced gains?
Or was the team under such weak management led by the Mr Marginal Gains that he was unaware of such crimes being committed?
Ratcliffe is a man all for redemption or is he like a kid, willing to close his eyes/ears and pretend it's all fine?
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Based on recent information on the media, it feels like he will be a less flexible owner than Jassim. Ironically.
This reeks of Woodward and his personal ambition all over again.
First, Ratcliffe hires guys who make racist remarks on email (of a Malaysian Chinese owner.)
And now he is proposing that one of his key guys, the INEOS sporting director -- whose previous team (Team Sky/INEOS) was tainted/team doctor was convicted of PEDs distribution --- wants to overhaul the entire United structure? Implementation of the Brailsford science of marginal enhanced gains?
Or was the team under such weak management led by the Mr Marginal Gains that he was unaware of such crimes being committed?
Ratcliffe is a man all for redemption or is he like a kid, willing to close his eyes/ears and pretend it's all fine?
He also threatened to close his factory at Middlesbrough unless the UK stayed away from new EU anti pollution laws. Ineos firms in Grangemouth helped it become Scotland’s worst air polluter as well.
Considering he hired Florent Ghisolfi as Sporting Director to run the sporting side of Nice in his first full season in charge, surely he’s the exact opposite of Woodward?
Remind me again how long it took Woody to employ a sporting director for United to take that responsibility away from himself? Wasn’t it after 8 full years of failure and only once he knew his own time was up?
Brailsford bringing in someone so soon into his tenure surely paints the picture that he in fact doesn’t think he’s the smartest person in the room and realises that a top rated football man will be much better in the role than himself
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There’s a ME club in our league 22 points off fecking Arsenal
I’ll say it till I’m blue in the face, Florent Ghisolfi looks a great acquisition for Nice, and he’s only been in the club since October. I’d wait and see where Nice are after a couple of season with Florent in charge of the club’s sporting goals, but early signs are promising.
I realise you think Nice should’ve broken all FFP rules and gone full Qatari to catch PSG as quickly as possibly, but that’s just daft, even Newcastle realise that isn’t a possibility these days without serious scrutiny.
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They’ll support him when things are going well, like they did Ole and when they hired Ralf. If things go badly they certainly won’t be ETH’s allies and we also have no idea what the manager thinks of them, he might think they aren’t up to much in comparison to what he has at Ajax for instance.
If whoever buys the club thinks they can better people then they should and will, those currently in Senior positions don’t have much of a leg to stand on if someone wants to replace them.
There’s a ME club in our league 22 points off fecking Arsenal
I’ll say it till I’m blue in the face, Florent Ghisolfi looks a great acquisition for Nice, and he’s only been in the club since October. I’d wait and see where Nice are after a couple of season with Florent in charge of the club’s sporting goals, but early signs are promising.
I realise you think Nice should’ve broken all FFP rules and gone full Qatari to catch PSG as quickly as possibly, but that’s just daft, even Newcastle realise that isn’t a possibility these days without serious scrutiny.
Newcastle were bought by Saudi in October 2021. They had just 1 Summer transfer window and they used it to take 11th place Newcastle (49 points) to 6th place (41 points). Nice were 7th prior to INEOs buying them and they are 7th now (Qatari owned PSG were first in both occasions). Lausanne has been relegated twice since INEOS took over.
Nice FC is 7th place. They are not competing with PSG just as Fulham is not competing with Arsenal. The club is badly run and has washed up players like Ramsay, Pepe and Schmeichel as their highest earners. At 175k a week, Ramsay is being paid 25k less then our own Rashy whose paid 200k.
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How the feck did they manage two relegations in the Swiss league?
Is the season over? I realise it’s convenient to pretend it has for the sake of this argument, but Brighton, Fulham and even bloody Brentford are now right on Newcastle’s tails.
Lausanne were more often than not a second tier team for the majority of the 21st century.
I think after the criticism PSG have received this week, it’s hilarious you think Nice should’ve somehow attempted to emulate them. The entire premise is ridiculous, not least because PSG took a gigantic shit on FFP to build up the club.
And Sergio Ramos is on 524k / week, 324k more than our own Rashy.
For every shit decision one club makes, especially with free transfers, there’s an equally shit one at pretty much every other club.
these INEOS guys need to feck off
Prior to Saudi taking over Newcastle were a joke. After just 1 summer transfer window no one is laughing anymore. NICE gave a 175k salary to Ramsay. To put things in perspective Rashford is on 200k, Osimhen is on 112k and Gavi is on 130k
No Ratcliffe, please, thank you. Don't need another Glazer & Woodward combo.
I am not saying that PSG are run greatly but they invested alot and they won alot as well. Ever since INEOS took Lausanne and Nice they had won just 1 promotion for Lausanne (after they were relegated under their watch).
How the feck did they manage two relegations in the Swiss league?
Sir Jim Ratcliffe thought that it was a great idea to put his own brother as CEO of Lausanne FC. Since then he had promoted him as head of sports.
Yeah, they took a massive shit on FFP, something even Newcastle have realised won’t be accepted today. The days of turning a blind eye are long gone.
Maybe, but I'd rather have someone with a track record of winning stuff then someone whose track record is giving 175k to Ramsay and getting Lausanne relegated in multiple occasions.
No there fecking is not.
They’ve done fantastically well. But this forum does like to shit on their own, even when it’s going well.
If Ratcliffe wins and gets his own in, we’re fecked considering his past experiences.
What track record does Jassim have?
And that's beside the point that it's easy to say you'll get best in class, but identifying that and acquiring it isn't that simple. PSG, with all their resources, haven't been able to. And even if you do that, it's no guarantee that it will work.
It makes a lot more sense to make smart improvements to a team that appears to be on the rise, rather than rip it out and replace.
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