Well if we are going to resort to hyperbole, then an oil state backed takeover would destroy the club and everything it ever stood for.
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I can see an Elliott/INEOS joint venture,
Ineos - 69% (3.5bil + INEOS absorb debt which probably helps them from a tax perspective)
Elliott - 31% (Investing £1.5bil)
Debt free club can invest a lot over coming years in transfer market, all money saved on INEOS side probably goes into infrastructure work.
I should run an oversimplified YouTube channel.
Ineos - 69% (3.5bil + INEOS absorb debt which probably helps them from a tax perspective)
Elliott - 31% (Investing £1.5bil)
Debt free club can invest a lot over coming years in transfer market, all money saved on INEOS side probably goes into infrastructure work.
I should run an oversimplified YouTube channel.
INEOS already have funding arranged with JPM and GS. They don’t need Elliot.
‘With Elliot’s track record the bolded part might be their worst case scenario. Best case would likely be the Glazers defaulting on the massive debt and handing control of the club to Elliot.
feck me, did they make that using Microsoft front-page
Wow, what a blast from the past!This forum is gonna be like Democrats v Republicans by the end of this.
the 50/50 divide, make redcafe great again.
the 50/50 divide, make redcafe great again.
That £1.5bn to Elliot would be debt. It will have interest on it and need paying back. They’re looking to provide finance not buy the club themselves.
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I’m anti-Qatar but if you put a gun to my head and asked me who I take out of them and Elliot, I’ll take the tainted gas money every time. Elliot need to feck right off.
Some people think that not winning is the most undignified position the club can find itself in. I think that being an absolute monarchy's play-thing is the most undignified position the club can be in.
But Elliot would be my least preferred option, except Qatar. Not that it matters, I also think that Qatar is most likely to end up buying the club.
Of course, people like you who have no understanding of how firms like Elliot works would choose them. If that’s what you choose then you must be happy with the glazers as our owners bleeding this club to dry all these years.
Why “sadly”?
Wild that people would prefer the Glazers and Elliott to Qatar
Mr. GA!
Who will just sell us off to ME in 10 years anyway.
No serious player comes in after that deadline.
I’d say that’s an opinion rather than hyperbole. Everyone else gets to decide for themselves how they feel about a Qatari takeover.
Something about fan owned that appeals to the romantic in me. Though I understand that the reality will be different to the fantasy...
...and that is what we don't want.
Why opt for Elliott and co if someone is willing to buy the club ,make it debt free,renovate/build the stadium with cash,etc ?
Feckers like Elliott are the last thing we need
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Yeah that’s the worst case. What ever happens If the Gkazers go the Elliot route it will have huge impact on the clubs fiancés for decades to come.
Don't fret no one is paying billions for a football club to load debt onto it.
Yep. The horse already bolted the day they (and the FA) allowed leveraged buyouts to pass the "fit and proper ownership" test. Now that literal murderous oil states are being allowed to snap up British clubs, you'd wonder what a potential owner would have to do (other than fail to pass on brown emvelopes) to actually fail the test.
What I’m still confused about is how there seems to be very little idea or talk of how SJR/Ineos buy us while owning Nice too. How is he getting round this? Does he plan to sell Nice and the other Swiss club? I’m sure it’s been explained somewhere in the bowels of this bastard thread but fecked if I can find it.
It's not been fully explained, but I think that the Red Bull precedent is that as long as different people are decision makers at each club (Board, CEO, DoF, etc), UEFA has previously ok'd it.
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Ok thanks, yeah I’d read about that but why couldn’t QSI just do the same? Or are we saying they basically are in all but name with this Jassim fella.
Cheers, I get that, throw enough money at them greedy cnuts in UEFA and they’ll over look most things but the Ineos bid/Nice connection has hardly come up in any media/news outlets that I have read about this but if you mention Qatar all hell breaks loose about dual ownership etc.
Why is that? Why does we hold a superior moral ground?
This club stands for success, were not a moral guide for anything. We're a football club and our history relies on tradition and most importantly on success.
Some people don't like the Qatar regime I understand that, but it has nothing to do with us. Not wanting Qatar because of what they represent I guess you don't consume anything from the middle east as well.
This fake moralism needs to die. I'll choose the one who has most chances of gets us back where we belong. In my eyes that's Qatar at this moment.
And where does that tradition principally come from?
Yep. A group of divisive, scandalous, holier than thou types that want to destroy the country for the benefit of their own pockets, and then there's the Republicans. Jk obviously ffs
Playing youngsters from the academy, playing attacking/spectacular football, and most importantly winning.
Maybe not being owned by Qatar is a tradition as well, in that case there's about 100 clubs in top leagues that have the same tradition.
Blimey thought I was dramatic,so you will be off to join FCUM I would presume then
Yeah don't like the fact they were first over here,stinks that those leeches will choose them as allows the club to stay in their possession
So you would rather burn the club to the ground and have nothing left because... umm.. Qatar bad? Jesus. You do realize we're in shitload of debt and the good wolves in sheep clothing of Elliot are going to saddle us with a hell of a lot more + high interest from which they'll drain the club till every last penny of it gets extracted?
How can you people even call yourself fans of United I'll never understand. It's insane to me this moral virtue signalling you guys like to parade about. Like Qatar owning the club is going to change anything in relation to United.
Its either the Qataris or we will continue to have the well known cracks around.
I’ll say it again, it’s a small market to buy United at 5-6bn, I can’t imagine there would be a market if they somehow hit this mythical 10bn, especially after annoying the one party in Qatar who probably could bid that high.
If Elliot get involved then my suspicion is they have their eyes on the lands around old trafford as the inevitable settlement when the glazers/club end up in financial difficulty down the line. They would also be whoring out old trafford for any event they could. A la spurs.
If Elliot get involved then my suspicion is they have their eyes on the lands around old trafford as the inevitable settlement when the glazers/club end up in financial difficulty down the line. They would also be whoring out old trafford for any event they could. A la spurs.
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