Club Sale | It’s done!

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Appletonred said:
If you thought things were bad under the Glazers then the Elliott group would be pretty much the point of no return for the soul of this great football club, Utd need to be debt free moving forward, not further hamstrung financially by more investors.

For all the negatives about Qatar, for the actual health of the club they represent the best possible outcome, and in the glazers world where cash is king they are ultimately not rejecting anything north of £5b, they will take it, hand over the keys to Al Thani and probably quite smuggly declare to themselves mission accomplished.
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That's what I think too. All this "were emotionally attached to the club" BS is exactly that, BS. They couldn't care less about the club and as soon as someone dangles £5b in front of their faces they'll snatch it and give the whole "we've had an amazing 18 years as owners, but we feel its time for someone else to take the reigns".

Wonder if they think saying they love the club and are very emotionally attached will buy them some sympathy with the fans or get the fans to change their opinions of them? Not like it'll work, the day they're gone, there will be celebrations and tears of joy
 
Elliot group would be a disaster and all the virtue signallers that don't even understand these huge investment funds are just as bad as the people they are moaning about would reap what they sow.
 
Bosws87 said:
Elliot group would be a disaster and all the virtue signallers that don't even understand these huge investment funds are just as bad as the people they are moaning about would reap what they sow.
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Elliott are not looking to acquire any part of Manchester United. They are simply offering finance to those who do want to bid (other than nation states, nobody is going to be able to buy United or build a new OT, using cash).
 
ElDiabloRojo said:
But the stadium rises from the dust, the debt vanishes, training facilities jump to current times, we buy a striker when needed rather that loan a Wout.

Yes it's oil money, and the human rights etc etc. But aren't we all holier than thou.
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Since when did caring about human rights make someone 'holier than thou'? I'd have said simply caring about human rights is a pretty low bar for human decency...
 
Is there anything positive to be said for the Elliot Group scenario ?

Isnt what there offering just a huge loan? Plunging the club into debt beyond anything we have been in before?
 
Nytram Shakes said:
Is there anything positive to be said for the Elliot Group scenario ?

Isnt what there offering just a huge loan? Plunging the club into debt beyond anything we have been in before?
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Another high interest loan on United. The club will fold over the next few years if it happens. Absolutely no positives.

Glazers even considering it shows what they think of us all
 
Nytram Shakes said:
Is there anything positive to be said for the Elliot Group scenario ?

Isnt what there offering just a huge loan? Plunging the club into debt beyond anything we have been in before?
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Exactly. Nothing positive.

Worse than the status quo
 
Pickle85 said:
Since when did caring about human rights make someone 'holier than thou'? I'd have said simply caring about human rights is a pretty low bar for human decency...
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It wasn't meant at you. Sorry I wasn't clear enough.

I meant that no country, the US, UK for example can preach about human rights truly.
 
ElDiabloRojo said:
It wasn't meant at you. Sorry I wasn't clear enough.

I meant that no country, the US, UK for example can preach about human rights truly.
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All good :) I just don't really buy the argument that nobody can talk about human rights because nobody is perfect. Following that train of thought, surely nothing will ever change on the human rights front because nobody is able to talk about it?
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Another high interest loan on United. The club will fold over the next few years if it happens. Absolutely no positives.

Glazers even considering it shows what they think of us all
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I don’t thinks this is true, the Elliot wouldn’t invest if it wasn’t the most likely scenario it was going to get its money back with significant interest, plus the Glazers currently have a chance to walk away with well over 4 billion if they sell, the only reason they wouldn’t sell is if the think they can continue to mill there cash cow.

What’s most likely is the debt stops us being able to compete at the top level for decades to come.

it won’t be the end of United as club, but the end of United as a significant player in the world footballing stage for the foreseeable future.
 
cyberman said:
What statements?
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Alright, a quick google reveals it isn’t quite a statement, but I still terrifies me.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-utd-takeover-glazers-qatar-29311278

Alonzo said:
if the rats stay, there would probably be legitimate cause for concern over their personal safety. Think they’ve pushed the extreme fringes of the fan base just about as far as they can. Not to mention I’d expect every home game next season would be targeted to get called off, and if there’s thousands of fans attempting that in a coordinated fashion, you can’t rule out that succeeding.
Basically the Liverpool cancellation will be light work in comparison. And yes, they’re stubborn, but this will effect finances. Which are already completely fecked. I have zero doubt they’re going. They’re just trying to bleed every drop out like the scum they are. Not a chance Qatar (infinitely more resources) or SJR (infinitely more successful businessman) wont see through it immediately.
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I hope you’re right that this is the end of their ownership! It defies all logic for them to stay but I’m reluctant to find any real optimism, just in case.
 
ElDiabloRojo said:
It wasn't meant at you. Sorry I wasn't clear enough.

I meant that no country, the US, UK for example can preach about human rights truly.
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But only one country is in the running to potentially buy United though. The vast majority of people who oppose the Qatari state bid would quite likely also oppose the idea of the UK or US governments buying United as well.
 
Any prospect of further debt being loaded onto the club and surely the British Government has to intervene this time, this is Manchester United, not someone's glorified ponzi scheme.
 
Read the rest of Bens tweets this isn’t a serious bid.

It’s basically crypto bros trying to buy a football club.

Scandalous.
 
Pickle85 said:
Aren't they leaving it a little late...?!

Absolutely no way on earth this happens, sadly.
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I am not fan of the idea of a fan owned club at all. While I want a owner who is fan of the club and football, I also want someone who can handle both the business side and the football side.

Ineos can be the right owner. Qatar can too. Not going into the issues with Qatar, only talking about how we could do with them as owners football and business wise.
 
Acquire Me said:
I am not fan of the idea of a fan owned club at all. While I want a owner who is fan of the club and football, I also want someone who can handle both the business side and the football side.

Ineos can be the right owner. Qatar can too. Not going into the issues with Qatar, only talking about how we could do with them as owners football and business wise.
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Yep, agree with this. I can't make myself want Qatari ownership but I don't doubt that, if they put the right people in the right positions, they could certainly be successful owners. As for fan ownership, it's not always a great thing, that's true. The power of Barca's fanbase is definitely a reason for their downfall, for instance.
 
Elliot would be the worst option available, keeps the Glazers in charge and puts the club in even more debt. Feck them greedy bastard Glazers!!
 
Zaphod2319 said:
Who doesn't love a good conspiracy theory? The dodgy bids will get weeded out.
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Not sure what you are talking about but we're discussing United here, not Chelski.

We don't have sugar daddy owners like you did and still do, we have leeches. The only bids that will get weeded out are those not high enough to buy the Glazers the yachts they desire.
 
Rightnr said:
Not sure what you are talking about but we're discussing United here, not Chelski.

We don't have sugar daddy owners like you did and still do, we have leeches. The only bids that will get weeded out are those not high enough to buy the Glazers the yachts they desire.
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One of the responsibilities of Raine is to make sure a bid will pass through the rest of the process once it is accepted. They lose profit if a bid does not meet the owners requirements or the FA requirement and the process starts over again.

As for the rest of your childish insults, yawn.
 
They clearly want to sell, or at least 4 of the 6 siblings do, All the leaks in the national press are going back and forth between Glaziers reluctant sellers, Qatari want to buy the whole club but not at a ridiculous figure, Sir Jim’s just want to buy out the 69% controlling shares of the Glaziers with responsible ownership Blah, blah, blah and the Elliot and OakTree financiers hedge funds provide the cash for another owner to buy or to rebuild the stadium.

Right now it would not surprise me that a potential deal could be done between a hedge fund and Sir Jim to own the club, the worst case scenario is Sir Jim buys 55% of the glaziers shares at £3.8bn and a hedge fund buys the other 14.9% at £1.2bn instantly giving cash as an equity share purchase to build the stadium, SJR would still be in charge and key decision maker and the Shark hedge funds like Elliot and OakTree which ever one agrees, would be interfering far too much with who we could buy plus they would look to cash out in 10 years, even worse than this is Joel and Avram could stay on in some minor board role. The rumoured 30% stake means that SJR or another would be buying 40% so his bill would be £2.8bn and Hedge fund £2.2bn which would be £5bn, still can’t see SJR entertaining this in any way? And the other two Glaziers would enter a very uneasy partnership if they used a hedge fund to buy the other 4 siblings out.


Hopefully SJR doesn’t entertain this, we know the Qataris won’t but the Raine group may be able to show the Qataris what they are competing with and get them to up their bid to £5bn which we all know is really what the Glaziers want all along. The more you hear, the more you realise how desperate the current financial situation of the Club is under Glazier Control.
 
MTF said:
feck me, but Elliot.
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You may as well say you rather watch the club crash and burn before Qatar.

Anyone saying they would choose Elliot over Qatar is simply saying they would rather see the club destroyed than owned by Qatar.

Can't understand it.

I'm Qatar all the way.
 
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