Club Sale | It’s done!

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In terms of bidding they don't need plans, all they need is proof of ability to cough up the readies to pay for their bid.

They don't need to provide details of any plans to me, you or anyone else
That’s true. Qatari statement was written to hit our heart directly to address almost everything we care and hope for. Ratcliffe’s is disappointed in that sense.
 
Oh so now that one of 'these places' is buying United it's fine because it will help 'integrate' them into the western world's values? I wonder, where was this thinking (mental gymnastics) when one of 'these places' took over City, PSG and Newcastle? Sorry mate but this is selling out to become a Qatari plaything just like PSG. I respect United for their history and doing things the right way, you don't need a sugar daddy, just an owner who cares enough to allow the club to spend what it brings in.

Obviously not the fans fault, this will be a final parting 'gift' from the Glazers.

And for what it's worth, there was a lot of anger when Barca (my club) put Qatar Airways on the shirt. Bayern too iirc.

I have always had this opinion, that closer ties with the west is likely to improve things not the other way round, we last hung someone in 1964, homosexuality was illegal til 1967, in reality there are people alive today who lived in counties with similar values to what these me countries have. Yes we have democracy, but monarchs used to have a lot more power and influence than they should (and still do if you believe some of the leaks)

Bit hypocritical from neville though, wasn't he big on the anti Qatar stuff during the world cup?
There are so many outstanding questions with these bids that it is really difficult to rank them on their own merit (political considerations aside).

We are hearing that the Glazers want 6B, but is that 6B for their shares, or is that the valuation of the whole club, and their shares would be 4B or so? Are both bidders intending to purchase the rest of the shares, or only the Qataris?

I read somewhere that INEOS would borrow to pay off the existing debt, and take it on themselves, but I don’t remember an actual INEOS statement to that effect.

People are assuming that the Qatari bid would clear the existing debt, but I don’t think their statement explicitly said that, only that ‘the bid will be completely debt-free’, not that the club will be debt-free after the sale.

What about the transfer debt? I assume that stays because it isn’t really debt, it is scheduled payments to other clubs, and paying bills before they are due isn’t something businessmen like doing.

What are their plans for Old Trafford? Both will invest in the stadium, but is that a new 100,000 seat stadium or a couple of big buckets of red paint?

You have to assume they will clear the debt, 600m is peanuts to these guys and would immediately generate a ton of goodwill with the fanbase
 
Weird how this even has to be explained

There are seemingly some fans who are so insecure about being OOTs that they would actively rather like the idea of the club losing its connection to its Manchester/UK roots because it would make them feel better about it.

As a fan who also isn’t from Manchester, it seems absolutely bonkers to me…
 
Hopefully no dippers involved in the Qatari bid. We don't need more sabotaging idiots like Woodward.
 
Yeah but the Premier League is a tangible asset and probably the most valuable sport league in the world outside the US, and its value will only rise as it continues to grow in exposure and global fanbase. The fact that United are once again on the cusp of winning trophies will only accelerate the rise of the club's value. In such a circumstance, the current owners won't be under any pressure to sell - instead, they could just as easily stay with what they have and stick around for a few more years to cash in later.

Right and amazing and Facebook and all those businesses were unreal valuable tech companies and they all lost a lot of value. We won't grow in global fanbase, we have a global fanbase because of our success when football went global, but kids now have grown up with city and Liverpool and Chelsea as the big teams.

We may be on the verge of winning trophies, but if you believe the rumours, there's no money to spend this summer, Chelsea will spend more, City will spend a fortune, Liverpool won't be as they were, they still have a strong team, arsenal will push on a Newcastle will be a big threat. I'd wager we're more likely to be perennially 5th place than title winners in a few years if the parasites stay in charge
 

Looks like posturing to me but if not… it’s amazing they think it’s worth that and willing to walk away given that the club needs major investment which they’re not filling to fund. If rumours are true they were trying to drum up investment prior to their statement and got no bites.

why would they want to hold on to something which is unlikely to be worth more than the bids they are currently receiving. Guess they see it differently !
 
Yeah but the Premier League is a tangible asset and probably the most valuable sport league in the world outside the US, and its value will only rise as it continues to grow in exposure and global fanbase. The fact that United are once again on the cusp of winning trophies will only accelerate the rise of the club's value. In such a circumstance, the current owners won't be under any pressure to sell - instead, they could just as easily stay with what they have and stick around for a few more years to cash in later.
The growth of the PL TV rights will come from abroad, especially Western developed countries where the market can still be squeezed further, like the US.

The domestic rights have not actually increased for 2 auction cycles and actually have slightly gone down. The last one was the first one where the international rights were worth more.
 
As Gary Neville said, is it not better to try and integrate these places into the western world and reforms etc will most likely follow? I think it’s pretty likely that will happen in the next 50 years or so.
Ludicrous notion. MUFC are a football club. ‘Integration’ of a nation state, if it means anything, is a job for the United Nations or other nation states, not a soccer club. It’s like trying to integrate a house into a fridge or something like that.
 
Fcuk the Ineos statement. They will continue to be paying shareholders and probable other leakages will exist because of their chosen method of financing the asset acquisition is through the banks and not their own money.

All this talk of football governance is well dodge, sounds like a dogwhistle to nationalists and the far right lot. It's clear that the Qatari family will be best for the club, let's not feck up the opportunity to join them in this partnership.
 
The growth of the PL TV rights will come from abroad, especially Western developed countries where the market can still be squeezes further, like the US.

The domestic rights have not actually increased for 2 auction cycles and actually have slightly gone down. The last one was the first one where the international rights were worth more.

Agreed. Just anecdotally, the popularity of the premiership has exploded in the US in recent years. Random people I meet, who I wouldn't ever think of as football fans, are very well educated on the clubs and players, so the US is definitely a massive market that will continue to feed the league with money.
 
These ‘journalists’ are so disingenuous!



They are implying he isn’t a fan and is opportunistic. Why don’t they show a picture of him wearing a Man Utd top from last year when he attended the match?

Why don’t they mention how Ratcliff is a Man Utd fan yet has a season ticket to chelsea?

Their agenda is so transparent.
 
Whatever makes you sleep at night buddy.
Well, there's as certain section of fans in here that are trying to paint Jimbo as whiter than white, against the monsters from Qatar.

Nothing could be further from the truth, it's being deliberately ignored to to further posters' agendas.
 
Well, there's as certain section of fans in here that are trying to paint Jimbo as whiter than white, against the monsters from Qatar.

Nothing could be further from the truth, it's being deliberately ignored to to further posters' agendas.

Yeah Jimbo isn't perfect so let's give the wheel to people who want to execute gay people.
 
These ‘journalists’ are so disingenuous!



Why don’t they show picture of him wearing a Man Utd top from last year when he attended the match?

Why don’t they mention how Ratcliff is a Man Utd fan yet has a season ticket to chelsea?

Their agenda are so transparent


What does that pic prove about him loving the club since ‘92? It’s this seasons kit! :lol:
 
Agreed, I was born in Ireland and lived in London for most of my life and support United because my dad does. I get to maybe 10 games (including the women's team) a year and obviously watch every game I can but the fans who go every week are obviously the most important. They're the ones who are there to cheer the team on and who are part of the community around the club. It doesn't mean that United's fanbase around the world isn't important, it obviously is massively important given what a global brand the club is, but there's a difference between having an empty Old Trafford and having 75,000 fewer people watching on TV or on streams.


Aye it was blowing my mind they felt that entitled not getting the kudos being on a message board like the rest of us and watching the games on tv.


I mean you go to Manchester, you be about the locals, you go to the bars around old Trafford, you go stand in the Stretford,.......you see what it means to the city and the people who live their, the club traces back over 100 years going thru generations.

Strange angle to be annoyed with the blood boiling at that reality :lol:
 
You'd know that how?
Presumably because you're making a big deal about the environmental impact of Ineos' business, which is a valid critique, but ignoring that the other bid is coming from a state where revenues from oil and gas amount to more than half of the state's GDP.
 
Alright lad, wasn’t that long ago you replied “well said” to this post :lol:
Not allowed to change my mind seeing who has made a bid so far?

Don't like state owned clubs but, realistically, I would rather have that than be burdened with debt / hedge fund(s). If, when more details are forthcoming, Jimbo's bid looks better then I will support that. At the moment though, Qatar are, imo, far ahead.
 
These ‘journalists’ are so disingenuous!



They are implying he isn’t a fan and is opportunistic. Why don’t they show a picture of him wearing a Man Utd top from last year when he attended the match?

Why don’t they mention how Ratcliff is a Man Utd fan yet has a season ticket to chelsea?

Their agenda is so transparent.


ABUs and Ratcliffers out in full force.

They. Are. Worried.
 
Ludicrous notion. MUFC are a football club. ‘Integration’ of a nation state, if it means anything, is a job for the United Nations or other nation states, not a soccer club. It’s like trying to integrate a house into a fridge or something like that.
GNev has a point though, change will only come from pressure by people, having however many United fans there are adds to the pressure, that's how things like LGBT rights happened in this country

Just think, one of the fathers of computing, the one who's research is the basis for our ability to post on this forum, a war hero, was connected to Manchester in a big way, committed suicide in the 1950's because he was gay - that;s something United fans could educate the Qatari's on
 
I'd like to caveat this as saying I think the Qtar bid is the best for the club but people need to understand - SJRs bid won't incur any debt on the club, all the debt would be incurred by Ineos, as far as we know. It shouldn't be a factor against SJRs bid as the debt repayments will be miniscule compared to Ineos' revenue.
One of my issues with JRs bid, the company INEOS. He can be voted off the board right? So what happens if the rest of the board no longer want to pay for his plaything? What happens then?
 
Not allowed to change my mind seeing who has made a bid so far?

Don't like state owned clubs but, realistically, I would rather have that than be burdened with debt / hedge fund(s). If, when more details are forthcoming, Jimbo's bid looks better then I will support that. At the moment though, Qatar are, imo, far ahead.

I wish people would stop saying “what am I not allowed to change my mind?”

no! You are obviously not allowed to take a moral stance and then abandon that stance when it benefits you.

Mother Theresa withheld painkillers to patients her whole career. She thought the pain was a message from God. She kept people in absolute agony.

When she was dying and in pain, suddenly she saw it fit to give herself pain relief. This isn’t her “changing her mind”, this is her loosening her moral stance for selfish reasons.

People here are constantly getting caught out saying a few months ago, “I would never want a regime linked to death and human rights abuse” and now saying “I can’t wait to sign Mbappe”. It’s not a change of mind, it’s an abandoning of your stance for a benefit to you.
 
At the end of the day it doesn’t matter which bid you favour as we don’t have a say anyway. It’s sad this is causing a fracture between the fans again just when it seems everyone is coming together after the past 10 years of tribalism amongst us regarding managers. Hope it doesn’t effect the end of the season.
 
These ‘journalists’ are so disingenuous!



They are implying he isn’t a fan and is opportunistic. Why don’t they show a picture of him wearing a Man Utd top from last year when he attended the match?

Why don’t they mention how Ratcliff is a Man Utd fan yet has a season ticket to chelsea?

Their agenda is so transparent.


All that's missing is that Sheikh Jassim was also a massive New Order fan and fell in love with United on a night out with Bez at the Hacienda.
 
I thought you could only spend your own income or have I missed something regarding FFP.
The thread below via @Messier1994 sheds some light on your question. Some selling followed by buying and alittle bit of help from the owner via a sponsorship would go a long way. But we don't need to spend £400m.



 
What does that pic prove about him loving the club since ‘92? It’s this seasons kit! :lol:
To post that and to call a journalist disingenuous :lol:

The tweet at hand is implies he is not a united fan, but is opportunistic as mentioned in my previous post; there is no mention of maybe he is a united fan but somehow started to support the club recently. Furthermore, there is no reason to distrust the idea that he supported the club at 10 years old and the club was successful thereafter. Why is this implausible, because he is Qatari? Many man utd fans started supporting the club at that time, especially at that age. I just do not think this rhetoric would be spewed out if it was a 'British' person. It is kind of ironic as he has been educated in England too, and gives greater plausibility for him to start supporting man utd around that age.
 
One of my issues with JRs bid, the company INEOS. He can be voted off the board right? So what happens if the rest of the board no longer want to pay for his plaything? What happens then?
Nope he can't, INEOS has 3 shareholders and he owns more than they other 2 combined, it's a private company not a public one
 
These ‘journalists’ are so disingenuous!



They are implying he isn’t a fan and is opportunistic. Why don’t they show a picture of him wearing a Man Utd top from last year when he attended the match?

Why don’t they mention how Ratcliff is a Man Utd fan yet has a season ticket to chelsea?

Their agenda is so transparent.

When PR gets a little out of hand :lol:

Actually slightly concerning that we have no clue who is really pushing this bid, and who will make the decisions.
 
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