Yeah and if it wasn't for the match going fans I doubt we would even be having this discussion. Respect to our global fanbase who are definitely important but match going fans will always be the heart and soul of any football club.
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If this is true, I do think it’s the Qataris or nothing
They’re the only ones I can see reaching that if they are desperate for the club
How is a huge fanbase celebrating them taking over because we might sign Mbappe going to encourage change? Abu Dhabi's human rights record hasn't improved over the last 15 years as City fans have celebrated their success.
I'm sure things will improve in those countries over time but let's be real that part of the reason they're buying football teams is because those reforms haven't happened. A democratic nation wouldn't buy a football team because the public would consider it a vapid waste of money that could be used in better ways to improve their country.
Seems rather unlikely.
I won't complain if they do price themselves out of a sale but doesn't feel the way it's going.
I would not rule out that this is a factor, that on an individual level could be significant, you definitely make a good point, but I don’t think this investment (it’s large even for them in terms of %s), if it didn’t fit the “profile”.
And in addition, their wealth is so large that it cannot be invest like normal wealth. If normal wealth thinks a stock is a winner, it can invest heavily in it. You can’t invest 5bn in a stock without driving up the price a ton and making it more expensive for you to buy.
This is largely true but football as a whole is reaching saturation levels, I am in the US, I can watch every PL game live, I can also watch American, German, Italian, Spanish, French and Mexican games live + some I haven't bothered to look for, I can also get all Cl and EL live games + various cup matches in different domestic leagues, I can basically watch football 24/7 if I was minded to
I'm pretty sure Raine would've told the bidders this before they bid.
If this is really the case, none of the bids will go from first stage.
If I would go by how you view football and stick with our Norwegian manager, we could have been relegated.
Seriously, why do you have this condescending look at foreigner supporters?
If we started winning trophies again then maybe we're worth that much. Certainly not worth that at the moment with the way they've been running things. I think we might end up being stuck with the Glazer's or it drags on for longer than we all want.
This. People are conflating the fight against state ownership as meaning the anti/pro-Ratcliffe wagon. That wagon isn't much better when it contains people who think being owned by a local lad should even be anywhere on the list when assessing an issue as serious as our future. Fact is they don't seem capable of meeting the glazers valuation without borrowing billions from hardcore lenders. A fate that takes us to square zero and goes against the entire point of wanting to be sold in the first place, financial freedom. Miss me with that nationalist nonsense when discussing the club. It doesn't on its own make anyone an ideal alternative.
I would like to take ethics out and judge who the better owners will be. Yes we can use the bad PR Qatar has as a negative for them being our owners.
Qatar
Pro:
Cash purchase, no loans.
Plans to pay off debts
Plans to renovate stadium and academy
Plans to give us money to spend on transfers
Neg:
PR of their human rights/ LGBT stance in home country
History of breaking FFP
Ineos
Pro:
Fan Centred approach to ownership (what does that mean?)
Local lad
Neg:
Getting help from US banks to fund this
Bad track record with Nice
Look...if Ratty came in and released the same statement as Qatar did, I think a majority of us would welcome him aboard for obvious reasons. However as it would stand now, the club will still be in debt. He tried to buy Chelsea a few months back so I don't think he's all in on Man Utd, he just wants to own a big club.
Glazrers are going to sell to who offers the most coin. Nothing is going to change the humanitarian aspect of the Middle East if we are bought by Qatar. It's still going to continue Utd owned or not. So we get bought by an actual United supporter, get the debt wiped clean, and funds for upgrades at OT and Carrington. I think it would go a long way if Thani came out said something to the effect of everyone is welcomed in the Utd family sort to speak. They aren't my first choice but it's hard to say no. Glazers give feck all about the supporters, they don't care if we protest Qatar. They will still sell to them. I doubt Al Thani will come in and muck everything up. Who knows how genuine their statement was but I would like to think it was legit. I think it's the right move. We can handle them as owners, feck, we put up with the Glazers for 18 years.
Glazrers are going to sell to who offers the most coin. Nothing is going to change the humanitarian aspect of the Middle East if we are bought by Qatar. It's still going to continue Utd owned or not. So we get bought by an actual United supporter, get the debt wiped clean, and funds for upgrades at OT and Carrington. I think it would go a long way if Thani came out said something to the effect of everyone is welcomed in the Utd family sort to speak. They aren't my first choice but it's hard to say no. Glazers give feck all about the supporters, they don't care if we protest Qatar. They will still sell to them. I doubt Al Thani will come in and muck everything up. Who knows how genuine their statement was but I would like to think it was legit. I think it's the right move. We can handle them as owners, feck, we put up with the Glazers for 18 years.
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But aren't things like every third of viewers being from these countries down to it being so much cheaper there to view football, you can't just endlessly increase the price, particularly in countries with much lower gdp per person.
America is likely to hit a ceiling at some point just because they have so many domestic sports they care more about. Not to mention at a certain point oil clubs might start to view Italian teams as more of an investment rather than an already full English league then you're competing with other leagues for that share of foreign rights. The thing is football really exploded on terms of rights and value, obviously when the Premier league began, but then again when the Internet was really mainstream, broadband in most homes etc, easier transmission across the world, fan forums like this.
I just don't see the next big leap that's going to happen, I think if anything the bubble is likely to pop soon, I know people have been saying this for ages but it will at some point
The sun… but if the leeches refused to leave at this stage surely the protests from fans would be apocalyptic!?
On Sir Jim’s bid, am I the only one who doesn’t understand the “Manchester back in Manchester United” bit? Our global fan base is one of our greatest strengths, what’s to be gained by working against that now?
How much in dividends are these cnuts taking out every year?
Ratcliffe has pretty much said plainly that he doesn't agree with the Glazers' valuation of the club, hasn't he? So, they'll be aware of this - and they seemingly haven't told him: "don't bother bidding, then."
As for the Qatari, who knows: it's tempting to say that a few billion is petty cash to them anyway, but it probably doesn't work quite like that.
Not least if they actually have to thread a bit carefully with regard to how this whole package is presented (the nominal owner, this "nine two" thing, future FFP concerns and whatnot).
As for the Qatari, who knows: it's tempting to say that a few billion is petty cash to them anyway, but it probably doesn't work quite like that.
Not least if they actually have to thread a bit carefully with regard to how this whole package is presented (the nominal owner, this "nine two" thing, future FFP concerns and whatnot).
Minority investment that services or clears the debt. They'll make it look good.
Don't think there's anything wrong there tbh
I respect your opinion, but I disagree.
Ratcliffe has a history of going back on his word. Ask Nice fans. But above football ask those in Bridgend Wales. Given false hope of jobs and production only for him to change plans and shift to France.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/ineos-factory-once-planned-wales-19422778.amp
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/ineos-factory-once-planned-wales-19422778.amp
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Could just be pressure tactics, they know what they're doing. To actually walk away at this point would be a massive gamble for the Glazers.
cos they want that sweet sweet oil (or gas) money
Would it though ? The stock price would revert to the mean, but with United once again on the ascendancy and with the prospect of a Super League back in the narrative, why would they cash out now when they could do so for double in a decade or so.
Fair point. We should go with the more trustworthy option, a bidder whose net worth is approximately £1bn but has made a bid of £4.5bn that is completely independent and definitely not state backed.
Why would it be a gamble?
They are choosing to sell, they don't actually have to sell
Because nothing is certain and 5b now is better than building on hopes of a supposed "super league".
No way the value of the club will double, not even with SuperLeague money.
We're in need of a stadium and 200-300 mil in players, plus considering our debt.
Of course the Glazers will say they don't sell when everyone and their dog has put a bid in. They want the most they can get and they will get it.
This can’t be what people are saying. Surely.
You can be the acceptable face
Of a brutal, feudal nation state
Newton Heath deserves better than this
Busby Babes better than this
Red Devils you will be missed
But Amnesty if you call me,
You can call me Al
Call me Al Jazeera
Of a brutal, feudal nation state
Newton Heath deserves better than this
Busby Babes better than this
Red Devils you will be missed
But Amnesty if you call me,
You can call me Al
Call me Al Jazeera
Sorry I'm from Ireland, and the local fans who are season ticket holders who go to nearly every game are defo the most important and consistent aspect of the club. Can't get around that, constant cash stream direct to the club, way more than any fan anywhere in the world be paying direct to the club.
Obv the collective worldwide appeal generates TV money and that is a huge part of the club as well. But if the TV wasn't their the fans at the games would still be there. You can't get away from that. They the lifeblood of any club to be honest.
I don't know why anyones blood be boiling because someone dared claim their local club is as important or them to the club
I certainly don't get offended by it and I get to a couple of games a season. More a privilege just to be part of it all.
Up the bid or get out.
The Premier League and by extension all of its clubs are rising in value each year due to TV contracts and general global inflation. Therefore, if they wanted to wait a few years they would walk away with a lot more money, they could.This is why I think they're allegedly raising the bar on the price - they don't have to sell and won't unless they receive an exceptional bid.
The "soft deadline" bid was 4.5bn from Qatar.
I can see them raising it by another 1bn really. Especially now that they've made their desire public it will be a reputational hit if they don't pursue it.
He obviously isn't trying to antagonize our global support on purpose. However, the phrase is...I dunno, stupid? MAGA like? Most likely hollow as feck too?
When you see some of the reactions to it, though, it's very obvious that there's a genuine divide between some of our global support and the local, match going fans/the community: I've said this before, but some global fans seem positively disinterested (at best) in the fact that the football club actually has its roots in...Manchester.
you can a get a 2.5x in 10 years in index funds with way lot less risk and hassle, and no need for a super league for your pay-off
Agreed, I was born in Ireland and lived in London for most of my life and support United because my dad does. I get to maybe 10 games (including the women's team) a year and obviously watch every game I can but the fans who go every week are obviously the most important. They're the ones who are there to cheer the team on and who are part of the community around the club. It doesn't mean that United's fanbase around the world isn't important, it obviously is massively important given what a global brand the club is, but there's a difference between having an empty Old Trafford and having 75,000 fewer people watching on TV or on streams.Sorry I'm from Ireland, and the local fans who are season ticket holders who go to nearly every game are defo the most important and consistent aspect of the club. Can't get around that, constant cash stream direct to the club, way more than any fan anywhere in the world be paying direct to the club.
Obv the collective worldwide appeal generates TV money and that is a huge part of the club as well. But if the TV wasn't their the fans at the games would still be there. You can't get away from that. They the lifeblood of any club to be honest.
I don't know why anyones blood be boiling because someone dared claim their local club is as important or them to the club
I certainly don't get offended by it and I get to a couple of games a season. More a privilege just to be part of it all.
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